Re: [time-nuts] Maser on a chip

2015-01-26 Thread Bill Byrom
I have a Science subscription so can read the complete paper and supplementary material. Their current device has about two orders of magnitude greater linewidth (34 kHz) than the ~400 Hz linewidth predicted from maser theory. The coherence time is ~9.4 us. They suggest this is due to charge

Re: [time-nuts] D term (was no subject)

2015-01-26 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/25/15 1:30 PM, WarrenS via time-nuts wrote: I second Poul-Henning Kamp's comments concerning D-terms, (mostly) as done in the TBolt and likely other GPSDOs. Bear in mind that a PID loop is basically a fairly simple control loop that is easily susceptible to linear analysis. They're

Re: [time-nuts] Help me make some sense of adev measurements of SR620'sown clock

2015-01-26 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 25 Jan 2015 23:02, Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote: You're getting 1e-12 at 1 second. Sounds fine to me. Obviously you have the experience to know that 1e-12 at 1 second is fine. But if it's possible, I would like to understand the relationship between the counters specification and

[time-nuts] Unique TBolt GPS characteristics

2015-01-26 Thread WarrenS via time-nuts
Another unique thing about the TBolt engine is how fast it can calculate a Freq change in its 10MHz osc. Over short times periods, it can be 100 times better than a standard 1PPS GPS engine. It would be interesting to compare it to a high end dual freq GPS. With the Tbolt in manual hold over

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite time error

2015-01-26 Thread Bill Beam
Odd indeed. My LTE-lite is one second late, appears to have already added the pending leap second. I can compare with four other GPS timeing receivers using time pulse on DCD line. The NMEA data reports in error. I am awaiting reply from JL. This is not good for an eBay sniper Bill,

Re: [time-nuts] D term (was no subject)

2015-01-26 Thread Didier Juges
Maybe we are getting a little off-topic here, but a very long time ago I was dealing with industrial ovens used to braze ceramics used to make microwave tubes. It was very difficult to maintain the precise temperature ramp up and down, particularly as the oven was not always loaded the same way.

[time-nuts] Tek FCA3100/Pendulum CNT91 vs Keysight/Agilen 53230A

2015-01-26 Thread James via time-nuts
Hi Time Nuts This is my first posting on Time-Nuts though I've been reading others postings for quite a while. I am thinking of upgrading my very basic counter but only have limited lab space which rules out the SRS 620 on the basis of physical size. Tektronix are offering an ex demo FCA3100

Re: [time-nuts] D term (was no subject)

2015-01-26 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/26/15 5:55 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message 54c5a270.7090...@earthlink.net, Jim Lux writes: And there's decades, if not centuries, of experience with P, PI and PID controllers in a practical sense. Not quite a century I belive: Only the advent of electronics formalized

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite time error

2015-01-26 Thread Keith Loiselle
We have confirmed this issue with the Skytraq firmware on the LTE-Lite and are working with Skytraq to obtain a firmware update. I will post again when a firmware update is available. Keith Keith On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Bill Beam wb...@gci.net wrote: Odd indeed. My LTE-lite is one

Re: [time-nuts] question Alan deviation measured with Timelab and counters

2015-01-26 Thread Bruce Griffiths
The performance of the 2 systems should be comparable provided the similar equivalent noise bandwidths are used.Every 10Mhz edge needs to be timestamped with ps resolution and the resulting phase samples low pass filtered and decimated to achieve this.The 10MSPS picosecond or better resolution

Re: [time-nuts] question Alan deviation measured with Timelab and counters

2015-01-26 Thread Stéphane Rey
I do understand. Has anyone already compared the performances of squaring the 10 MHz vs squaring the IF ? Stephane -Message d'origine- De : time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] De la part de Bob Camp Envoyé : dimanche 25 janvier 2015 19:01 À : Discussion of precise time and

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite time error

2015-01-26 Thread Keith Loiselle
Skytraq has also confirmed the issue and is working on a firmware update. Updating the Skytraq firmware on the LTE-Lite Eval Board requires the unit be returned to Jackson Labs for reprogramming. We will update the Skytraq firmware on units at no charge if units are returned to us. Please

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite time error

2015-01-26 Thread Bill Beam
Be careful with 'eyeball data'. GPS receiver does not generate NMEA time data and the leading edge of PPS at the same time. Programs like Tac32 (totally accurate clock) and Lady Heather increment the time display at the leading edge of PPS with a value 1 second greater than the previous NMEA

Re: [time-nuts] D term (was no subject)

2015-01-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 5E5E892CF8A2440FBF18FFAD000B65FD@NewComputer, Lee Mushel writes: I'm fairly sure that Jim is right. I never had to worry about PID machine control before the late sixties and by the mid-seventies the concepts were firmly in place and in use. The basic math of PID has been

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite time error

2015-01-26 Thread Mike Cook
Yes there is certainly an error here: With my timing module I was just eyeballing the output on a windows platform , comparing GUI data. I have just linked the module up to a BeagleBone Black sync’d with NTP and this is the NMEA msg log: root@bb3:/home/mike/serial-ports# while read GGA; do echo

Re: [time-nuts] D term (was no subject)

2015-01-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message CAMQqFumOdB4gcFfQjQ_nced0C_U=fbmyofwl7vuxm8wotqg...@mail.gmail.com , Didier Juges writes: In order to automatically compensate for different oven loading (and ambient conditions), the controller injected a very low level random noise over the temperature setting and by

Re: [time-nuts] D term (was no subject)

2015-01-26 Thread Lee Mushel
I'm fairly sure that Jim is right. I never had to worry about PID machine control before the late sixties and by the mid-seventies the concepts were firmly in place and in use. It certainly was the appearance of solid state industrial controls which made it all possible. And those ideas