Re: [time-nuts] 510 doubler

2015-01-28 Thread Alberto di Bene
On 1/27/2015 11:57 PM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: /The only viable solution is to use better filtering of the output of a switching multiplier./ What about filtering the doubler output with a 10 MHz xtal ? 73 Alberto I2PHD --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus

Re: [time-nuts] SR620 question

2015-01-28 Thread Magnus Danielson
Gerhard, On 01/27/2015 09:00 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: Hi, fellow time nuts, I have some questions regarding the Stanford SR620: 1. Is it a drawback wrt ADEV when a SR620 does not have have the opt. oven if I have an ultra clean external reference? Does it use the external ref directly or

Re: [time-nuts] Unique TBolt GPS characteristics

2015-01-28 Thread WarrenS via time-nuts
Stu Thanks for the great information feedback. No, No, the ~3e-12 is Not an error in the H/W. That would of course cause a constant phase drift error to accumulate. The Tbolt has no trouble holding 1e-12 control or even better than 1e-13 when using the extended time constant mode with an

Re: [time-nuts] Unique TBolt GPS characteristics

2015-01-28 Thread WarrenS via time-nuts
Stewart The part that I do not understand is how the TBolt is able to calculate such high resolution frequency offset answers on its Osc ppt output so fast. The frequency offset answers seem to have way too high of absolute accuracy compared to what is possible using the phase data. Example:

Re: [time-nuts] SR620 question

2015-01-28 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Gerhard wrote: 1. Is it a drawback wrt ADEV when a SR620 does not have have the opt. oven if I have an ultra clean external reference? Does it use the external ref directly or does it just pull the own reference to the external value in the long run, no matter if it's the good or the bad

Re: [time-nuts] 510 doubler

2015-01-28 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Bruce wrote: Using the square law characteristic will inevitably increase the phase noise floor particularly in the flicker region with respect to just using the switching characteristic of a JFET, diode or BJT (non saturated). Even FETs with very large transconductance and low pinchoff

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite time error

2015-01-28 Thread Mike Cook
I have verified the Skytraq claim on my stand alone NS-T. Tue Jan 27 06:52:06 UTC 2015 $GPGGA,065206.000,4847.3506,N,00216.3005,E,1,06,1.3,191.0,M,47.0,M,,*59 Tue Jan 27 06:52:06 UTC 2015 $GPGLL,4847.3506,N,00216.3005,E,065206.000,A,A*52 Tue Jan 27 06:52:06 UTC 2015

Re: [time-nuts] 510 doubler and old Toko RF catalogue (Cirkit2nd ed. 1994)

2015-01-28 Thread David
Andrea, an answer your original Toko data question below. Message: 12 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:53:07 +0100 From: Andrea Baldoni erm1ea...@ermione.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] 510 doubler and old Toko RF catalogue (Cirkit2nd ed.1994) cut some stuff Finally I found that

Re: [time-nuts] Unique TBolt GPS characteristics

2015-01-28 Thread Stewart Cobb
The Tbolt computes phase error by doing a position fix. It computes frequency error by doing a velocity fix. These two fixes use almost the same algorithm, a least-squares fit that incorporates the line-of-sight vectors to each satellite. The position fix starts with the pseudorange (distance) to

Re: [time-nuts] SR620 question

2015-01-28 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 28.01.2015 um 00:23 schrieb Magnus Danielson: It locks it up with a PLL. See page 9 in PDF below, smack in the middle is the input circuit and PLL. This page also gives you all the hints of how to wire in a better oscillator if you wish. 2 I have seen that the manual has a parts list

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite time error

2015-01-28 Thread Tom Van Baak
I have verified the Skytraq claim on my stand alone NS-T. Tue Jan 27 06:52:06 UTC 2015 $GPGGA,065206.000,4847.3506 Hi Mike, Please use more precise timestamps so your results can be believed. In general it's not adequate to use one second unix time stamps to identify a possible one second

Re: [time-nuts] 510 doubler

2015-01-28 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 28.01.2015 um 00:59 schrieb Alberto di Bene: On 1/27/2015 11:57 PM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: /The only viable solution is to use better filtering of the output of a switching multiplier./ What about filtering the doubler output with a 10 MHz xtal ? 73 Alberto I2PHD In a correctly

Re: [time-nuts] 510 doubler and old Toko RF catalogue (Cirkit2nd ed. 1994)

2015-01-28 Thread Adrian Godwin
I think another spinoff from Cirkit was Mainline Electronics of Leicester. They also mostly disappeared (though I have wondered if they still trade as the ebay seller anonalouise, who seems to have similar stock). Mainline Electronics seems to exist as a Russian website, and it looks as though

Re: [time-nuts] 510 doubler

2015-01-28 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Gerhard wrote: It is a different game when you want to notch away sub/harmonics. One problem with using crystals as traps (notch filters) is that the series resistance of a crystal is several orders of magnitude higher than that of a good series-resonant LC -- generally in the 50-100 ohm

Re: [time-nuts] LTE Lite time error

2015-01-28 Thread Keith Loiselle
Skytraq has provided updated firmware that corrects the 1 second offset. For those who have not already, please contact us off list for return instructions to have your unit updated. Thank you for your patience with this issue. According to Skytraq the error was introduced when code was added

Re: [time-nuts] 510 doubler

2015-01-28 Thread Charles Steinmetz
I wrote: Once upon a time, Motorola made monolithic quad BJTs -- but I'm not aware of any matched quads similar to 2Ns at this time. Gerhard replied: There still are MAT04 HFA3046-3096-3127-3128 if duals are enough: SSM2220 MAT12 also mat02, mat03, maybe SSM2110 [probably meant

Re: [time-nuts] 510 doubler and old Toko RF catalogue (Cirkit2nd ed. 1994)

2015-01-28 Thread paul swed
This site is quite helpful. I happened to pick up several toko kits last years and the data is here. Thank you On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 5:00 AM, David t_list_1_o...@braw.co.uk wrote: Andrea, an answer your original Toko data question below. Message: 12 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:53:07 +0100

Re: [time-nuts] 510 doubler

2015-01-28 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 28.01.2015 um 01:57 schrieb Charles Steinmetz: (again, not many of us amateur time nuts). Once upon a time, Motorola made monolithic quad BJTs -- but I'm not aware of any matched quads similar to 2Ns at this time. [Several manufacturers still claim to make MPQs, but those are not