[time-nuts] You need one of these to improve your time-nuttery.

2015-07-30 Thread Mark Sims
I wonder how much such an environment would improve time-nut equipment performance and measurements? They claim a 2-3x resolution increase in a STM. http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/07/inside-the-quietest-room-in-the-world/

[time-nuts] Austron 2100 LORAN C manual I have a pdf!

2015-07-30 Thread paul swed
In looking at the threads and putting away the Austron catalog I realized I have a 2100 pdf with schematics. Its 8.9 MB so will send it to the Diddiers KO4BB site tonight. Regards Paul WB8TSL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To

Re: [time-nuts] NPR story on coupled pendulums

2015-07-30 Thread Eric Garner
Is there any stability benefit to having a bunch of coupled pendulum clocks? On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Bill Beam wb...@gci.net wrote: These University Of Lisbon Scientists have rediscovered a very old wheel. Old physics: Two coupled nearly identical harmonic oscillators have two

Re: [time-nuts] Picked up the Austral 2200A tonight

2015-07-30 Thread Jason Ball
A lack of precision in that last email from me it seems. I was planning on using a DDS and re-purposed multiplier board to provide the 1.5Ghz LO, but as the time server needs to use the 10MHz signal to compensate for phase shift this won't necessarily work out as you have indicated.The

Re: [time-nuts] Just When You Thought It Was Safe ....

2015-07-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi He had them down in price for a while and then moved them back up again. Bob On Jul 30, 2015, at 12:16 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Bob Just took a look and the pair seems to still be at $150. Maybe it was a special? The ovens are as you say $25 each and shipping for

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom(R) TS2100-GPS update and conversion

2015-07-30 Thread Gregory Beat
Yes, I picked up the correct OCXO, from the same eBay seller (Massachusetts) that earlier sold NOS MTI units. Cross referenced the part number from earlier TS2100 posts here on time-nuts. -- I have the Pace desoldering system, so that and some liquid flux should ease the TCXO removal and OCXO

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom / Truetime XL-AK

2015-07-30 Thread Pete Lancashire
Hope there is something in this manual http://www.awa.tohoku.ac.jp/~kazumi/Trigger/xl-ak-manual.pdf On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 8:54 AM, jim s jwsm...@jwsss.com wrote: I picked up one of these from the usual site, and it is supposed to be in working condition. I wonder if someone may have a

Re: [time-nuts] Just When You Thought It Was Safe ....

2015-07-30 Thread Chuck Harris
It is a common fishing technique, and the guy has done this several times over the last year, or so. When his sales dry up, he drops the price to $100, and then waits for a sale I'm pretty sure that he monitors this group for news of the new low price to leak out... and then quickly he bops

Re: [time-nuts] Just When You Thought It Was Safe ....

2015-07-30 Thread paul swed
Bob Just took a look and the pair seems to still be at $150. Maybe it was a special? The ovens are as you say $25 each and shipping for either 1 or 2 is $18.75. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi For all of you who dropped off the list back

[time-nuts] Symmetricom / Truetime XL-AK

2015-07-30 Thread jim s
I picked up one of these from the usual site, and it is supposed to be in working condition. I wonder if someone may have a suitable antenna for it I might acquire, or a pointer to one that will work. It is the type with a 5v amplifier in it from what I was told, and is working. I have

Re: [time-nuts] Modified Allan Deviation and counter averaging

2015-07-30 Thread James Peroulas
My understanding is that MVAR(m*tau0) is equivalent to filtering the phase samples x(n) by averaging m samples to produce x'(n) [x'(n)=1/m*(x(n)+x(n+1)..x(n+m-1))] and then calculating AVAR for tau=m*tau0 on the filtered sequence. Thus, MVAR already performs an averaging/ lowpass filtering

Re: [time-nuts] Source of Rubidium Lamp for Efratom FRK

2015-07-30 Thread Bob Camp
On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:23 AM, Mike Niven mfni...@ymail.com wrote: Thanks for the comment Bob. Tracing Efratom through the ages, I see they are now Microsemi. I wonder whether they will still have a lamp for such a geriatric Rb source and at what price - probably more than the cost of

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2000C, anyone?

2015-07-30 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 20150729122104.a7350...@for04.foreach.it, Marco IK1ODO -2 writes: Anyone has an Austron 2000C for sale? Need one for an experiment. Please offlist to ik1odo@gmail-com Be aware that there are no current Loran-C transmissions you can receive with it, unless it has been modified

Re: [time-nuts] Source of Rubidium Lamp for Efratom FRK

2015-07-30 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Mike, The Rb lamp voltage is just a guide. If your Rb isn't working, then it is important... If it is, it is just a guide. If your bulb is clear, and it is glowing, it is probably also working. I seem to recall from HP's descriptions of how their 5065 was made that the lamp, and filter

[time-nuts] RS232 Cable for SR620 use with TimeLab

2015-07-30 Thread James Robbins
Thanks to another TN member (Matthias Jelen) the necessary RS232 cable pin connections to connect the SR620 to TimeLab have been determined: DB9 (PC) - DB25 (SR-620) 1 - 8; 2 - 3; 3 - 2; 4 - 20; 5 - 7; 6 - 6; 7 - 4; 8 - 5 Further, it turns out that there is/was a commercially

[time-nuts] Symmetricom® TS2100-GPS update and conversion

2015-07-30 Thread Gregory Beat
The TymServe TS2100 arrived this afternoon. So I started with the GPS receiver swap (update). I removed the Trimble ACE III receiver (39818-C), but noted that this specific unit had a widget board (65398.69) on the SMA antenna connector and 2 wires (DC power) to the 3-pin header on the main

Re: [time-nuts] Picked up the Austral 2200A tonight

2015-07-30 Thread paul swed
Jason If you build a single conversion front end as you suggest, then the LO will be 1500 MHz and low side injection causing a 180 degree phase flip. Hopefully not a real issue. The thing I ran into when I built my solution is that front end LO had to be locked to the 10 Mhz out of the Austron.

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom(R) TS2100-GPS update and conversion

2015-07-30 Thread Gerhard Wittreich
Greg, I did both those upgrades a few weeks ago and have been very pleased with the results. Desoldering the TCXO is a bit tricky and takes some patience. I do not have the widget board in my TS-2100 so I'm not much help there. I assume you already have your OCXO...The correct one is a bit

Re: [time-nuts] Source of Rubidium Lamp for Efratom FRK

2015-07-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi In the (unique) case of the Efratom “light bulb” cell, you can indeed pop them out and replace them. Been there / done that with the (then) factory guys involved. The new bulbs were sold as replacements and did indeed fix the problem of a dead bulb. About the only added work involved was to

Re: [time-nuts] NPR story on coupled pendulums

2015-07-30 Thread Azelio Boriani
Anti-injection locking? Christiaan Huygens first noticed the injection locking effect for pendulums hung from a common beam, maybe they anti-injection locks when on a common surface... On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:54 AM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: University Of Lisbon Scientists

Re: [time-nuts] NPR story on coupled pendulums

2015-07-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There are a *lot* of possible ways a pendulum can synchronize. In reality, there may be multiple cases with different mechanisms.The gotcha has always been *proving* that this or that mechanism is “the one” in a specific case. Bob On Jul 29, 2015, at 2:44 PM, Bill Hawkins b...@iaxs.net

Re: [time-nuts] NPR story on coupled pendulums

2015-07-30 Thread Bill Beam
These University Of Lisbon Scientists have rediscovered a very old wheel. Old physics: Two coupled nearly identical harmonic oscillators have two stable states. They will operate with relative phase = zero or 180deg. How they are coupled is not an issue; they only need to be able to transfer

Re: [time-nuts] MH370 Doppler

2015-07-30 Thread Philip Koh , Ph . D .
Joe Leikhim jleikhim@... writes: I raised this on the Duncan Steel website and was pretty much blown off. Oh there is a nice stable OCXO aboard etc. Well DUHH yes there is an OCXO aboard and if it is good to -20 to +75C, or just -20 to +60C and there is a huge fire raging around it