Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 EFC Error

2015-08-17 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 12.08.2015 um 19:13 schrieb Dave M: I have verified with MTI that the recommended tuning voltage for model 260-0624-C is 0 to 6V. The datasheet range of -10V to +10V is the available range of EFC for the entire 260 series, and may or may not apply to any specific model within the 260

Re: [time-nuts] I've designed a GPSDO, but how good is it?

2015-08-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Aug 17, 2015, at 9:59 AM, Nick Sayer nsa...@kfu.com wrote: On Aug 17, 2015, at 4:06 AM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: On Aug 16, 2015, at 9:40 PM, Nick Sayer nsa...@kfu.com wrote: On Aug 16, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi Here’s some of the “that

Re: [time-nuts] I've designed a GPSDO, but how good is it?

2015-08-17 Thread Nick Sayer via time-nuts
On Aug 17, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Nick Sayer via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: On Aug 17, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: You really should read the wikipedia article on the PID loop and implement a simple PI loop (no need for the D part). That's not more

Re: [time-nuts] I've designed a GPSDO, but how good is it?

2015-08-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Consider that your VCXO has a minimum tune range of 20 ppm. There are no typicals or or max limits shown. Just to toss out a number, say it’s 30 ppm in some cases. They list linearity at 5%. That’s likely per 55310, so it’s a box spec. Say that gets you to a 1.5:1 slope ratio. Your most

Re: [time-nuts] Troubleshooting Fluke PM6681

2015-08-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
Great news! :) Cheers, Magnus On 08/17/2015 09:33 AM, Ole Petter Ronningen wrote: Fantastic, just what I needed. Thank you! On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 9:16 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Ole, I checked with a former Pendulum employee, and free off memory, he recommend

Re: [time-nuts] I've designed a GPSDO, but how good is it?

2015-08-17 Thread Bob Camp
On Aug 16, 2015, at 9:40 PM, Nick Sayer nsa...@kfu.com wrote: On Aug 16, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi Here’s some of the “that depends” questions: What is your stability goal? You talk about the NIST numbers on GPSDO’s. What level of stability are you

Re: [time-nuts] I've designed a GPSDO, but how good is it?

2015-08-17 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 16:54:08 -0700 Nick Sayer via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: If I counted correctly, you have a maximum offset of 350ns. For GPSDOs that are close to each other, that's a quite considerable shift of phase. Are you sure your software implements a phase locked loop

[time-nuts] A solderless frequency reference from 198 kHz radio 4 using a lock-in amp

2015-08-17 Thread Dr. David Kirkby - Kirkby Microwave Ltd
I know this is not rocket science, but I mentioned some time ago about the possibility of using the BBC radio 4 signal on 198 kHz to make a 10 MHz reference. My initial plan was to shift the frequency of a 10 MHz oscillator in a Stanford Research DS345 function generator to exactly 10 MHz using

Re: [time-nuts] I've designed a GPSDO, but how good is it?

2015-08-17 Thread Nick Sayer via time-nuts
On Aug 17, 2015, at 1:16 AM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 16:54:08 -0700 Nick Sayer via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: If I counted correctly, you have a maximum offset of 350ns. For GPSDOs that are close to each other, that's a quite considerable

Re: [time-nuts] I've designed a GPSDO, but how good is it?

2015-08-17 Thread Nick Sayer via time-nuts
On Aug 17, 2015, at 4:06 AM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: On Aug 16, 2015, at 9:40 PM, Nick Sayer nsa...@kfu.com wrote: On Aug 16, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi Here’s some of the “that depends” questions: What is your stability goal? You talk about

[time-nuts] UPDATE: Heol N024 GPS for TS-2100 Failure

2015-08-17 Thread Gerhard Wittreich
I heard back from Heol Design and it appears that this is not an isolated issue and Heol is aware of the problem. They believe that something is causing the GPS to lose key settings. They have updated their firmware to reload key settings on power-up in case they had been lost. I am a bit

Re: [time-nuts] Troubleshooting Fluke PM6681

2015-08-17 Thread Ole Petter Ronningen
Fantastic, just what I needed. Thank you! On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 9:16 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Ole, I checked with a former Pendulum employee, and free off memory, he recommend trimming up the 100 MHz until Error 2 does not show. Sensing it directly can be

Re: [time-nuts] I've designed a GPSDO, but how good is it?

2015-08-17 Thread Attila Kinali
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 07:14:34 -0700 Nick Sayer via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Without having had a look at your code (sorry, i currently don't have the time for this), if you trully implemented just an FLL, then this is where you should start from. The way to get a PLL is to let the

Re: [time-nuts] I've designed a GPSDO, but how good is it?

2015-08-17 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hi Attila, I'm planning to collect raw phase data from his TCXO (in holdover). Not only will we get the ADEV of his LO but that data, plus the Adafruit GPS data, can then be fed into the GPSDO simulator program. Nick can modify the simulator with his current algorithm and see how his GPSDO

Re: [time-nuts] I've designed a GPSDO, but how good is it?

2015-08-17 Thread Nick Sayer via time-nuts
On Aug 16, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi Here’s some of the “that depends” questions: What is your stability goal? You talk about the NIST numbers on GPSDO’s. What level of stability are you after? I believe I’m at or better than the stability I originally

Re: [time-nuts] Troubleshooting Fluke PM6681

2015-08-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
David and others, I will have to come back on the details. However, I'll give you the overview from the top of my head. The one calibration value kept in CMOS backup is the length of the calibration pulse. This can be altered over GPIB. The program will sweep over the value range (don't

Re: [time-nuts] Need help with Lucent/Symmetricom Z3810AS

2015-08-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi For any sort of GPSDO to do well (not just this one) you really want an outdoor antenna in a good location. In Germany, a good location would be one that has a view of the southern sky from due east around to due west. Ideally you want a view down to within 10 or 20 degrees of the horizon.

Re: [time-nuts] Need help with Lucent/Symmetricom Z3810AS

2015-08-17 Thread Hal Murray
hbre...@debitel.net said: I bought a Lucent/Symmetricom Z3810AS from the source on eBay and powered it up today for the first time. After 11 hours the RFTG-u and REF1 module is still showing STBY while the RFTG-u and REF0 module is ON. Is this ok or should the RFTG-u and REF1 module show ON

Re: [time-nuts] Need help with Lucent/Symmetricom Z3810AS

2015-08-17 Thread paul swed
Heinz I think you are working. I have the ref1 and ref 0 crystal unit and when operational thats the way the LEDs work. On my unit the system locks in 15-30 minutes from a cold start. On start up the LEDs should step. Then the top 2 should turn on. No gps and fault 15 minutes later fault of green

Re: [time-nuts] I've designed a GPSDO, but how good is it?

2015-08-17 Thread Nick Sayer via time-nuts
On Aug 17, 2015, at 12:31 PM, Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote: Hi Attila, I'm planning to collect raw phase data from his TCXO (in holdover). Not only will we get the ADEV of his LO but that data, plus the Adafruit GPS data, can then be fed into the GPSDO simulator program.

Re: [time-nuts] I've designed a GPSDO, but how good is it?

2015-08-17 Thread Nick Sayer via time-nuts
On Aug 17, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 07:14:34 -0700 Nick Sayer via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Without having had a look at your code (sorry, i currently don't have the time for this), if you trully implemented just an FLL, then