[time-nuts] Fluke PM6681 'fault' or 'characteristic'?

2017-05-29 Thread Ed Palmer
I was comparing my Sulzer 2.5 to my Efratom FRT and saw something very odd. I don't know if my PM6681 has developed a fault or if I'm just measuring two oscillators that are good enought to show oddities in my measurement system. When the phase of the two signals drifts through zero, the

[time-nuts] Lady Heather and Lucent RFTGm-II-XO / RFTGm-II-R

2017-05-29 Thread Mark Sims
I have finally managed to decode the RFTG-m voltages message and have all the values except antenna current... that is apparently hidden away in one of the other receiver messages. As far as calculating sat positions for the receiver... the main issue is getting the current almanac and

[time-nuts] Fwd: HP5061B Versus HP5071 Cesium Line Frequencies

2017-05-29 Thread Donald E. Pauly
https://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/2017-May/105500.html We recently did a partial alignment of the lock servo on our #2 HP5061B after replacing the beam tube. The previous owner had tried to fix it by turning adjustments. This made a big improvement in the lock. KB7APQ got the idea to use

[time-nuts] Another hp Oven For Sale

2017-05-29 Thread Peter Putnam
Greetings, The dealer noted below had another hp oven for sale at the W6TRW Ham Swap meet in Redondo Beach, CA., on May 27th. The unit is a cylinder about a foot long and 5 inches in diameter with sma-size connectors and four shock-mounts attached to the sides. It is marked: Crystal Oven

Re: [time-nuts] Next Aug 21 eclipse and time flow --> WWV carrier phase

2017-05-29 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The gotcha with carrier phase is that it is a bit more sensitive to local signals than your ear is. Yes, a lot depends on your antenna setup and as you mention, just how many watts of distribution and thousands of feet of cable you are running 10 MHz through. Bob > On May 29, 2017, at

Re: [time-nuts] Next Aug 21 eclipse and time flow --> WWV carrier phase

2017-05-29 Thread Tim Shoppa
Bob, unlike the guys who have many watts of 10MHz running around their labs via multiple distribution amplifiers, I do not have a big problem with my dinky 10MHz reference leaking into my radio antenna :-). This fall the "best band" for WWV for me during daylight eclipse would be 15MHz. 10MHz

Re: [time-nuts] Next Aug 21 eclipse and time flow

2017-05-29 Thread iovane--- via time-nuts
As far as atomic clocks are involved, I wish to better point out where I stand, along with some tips and info. - no exotic physics; - gravity is totally extraneous; - time is not involved; - the recorded anomalies are instrumental artifacts. The instruments responded to something however

Re: [time-nuts] Next Aug 21 eclipse and time flow --> WWV carrier phase

2017-05-29 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi There are a *lot* of SDR boards out there today. The HackRF One is a pretty cheap one (you get what you pay for …). They go up to some very expensive setups by National Instruments / Ettus. Most of them allow for an external clock input. The usual isolation issues will still apply when

Re: [time-nuts] Next Aug 21 eclipse and time flow

2017-05-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
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Re: [time-nuts] Next Aug 21 eclipse and time flow

2017-05-29 Thread Tim Shoppa
During regular night/day cycles I can just barely observe the night-day shift in WWV propagation from Colorado to my location near Washington DC, using the NTP WWV audio refclock. It amounts to a few hundred microseconds of shift. I last touched that code about 15 years ago. Now that I have a

Re: [time-nuts] Next Aug 21 eclipse and time flow

2017-05-29 Thread Mike Cook
To my mind there may be some effect due to small variations in gravity. The Chinese paper is very interesting and does propose classical explanations for the observed gravimeter anomalies. Even so , the variations that were detected by them should be detectable with a sufficiently stable clock.

Re: [time-nuts] Next Aug 21 eclipse and time flow

2017-05-29 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On 05/29/2017 09:56 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message , Michael Wouters writes: The effect you're looking for depends on a comparison of two different kinds of atomic clocks eg Cs vs H-maser so the maser

Re: [time-nuts] Next Aug 21 eclipse and time flow

2017-05-29 Thread iovane--- via time-nuts
My suspicion is just about the solar wind being switched off, which also has effects on the magnetosphere. Anyway, this very unique opportunity should not be lost. Antonio I8IOV >Messaggio originale >Da: "Neville Michie" >Data: 29/05/2017 10.18 >A: "Discussion of

Re: [time-nuts] Next Aug 21 eclipse and time flow

2017-05-29 Thread Neville Michie
Maybe there is an effect when the solar wind is switched off for half an hour. The ionosphere may shift in that time. This is a great opportunity when an impulse is applied to the system. The switching off of the solar UV is sure to affect the ozone layer. You will not have an opportunity to

Re: [time-nuts] Next Aug 21 eclipse and time flow

2017-05-29 Thread Michael Wouters
Apologies, I didn't read the paper carefully enough. The original claim does appear to be for a comparison of like clocks eg Cs vs Cs, with a claim of greater effects for a comparison of clocks in and out of the eclipse path. Cheers Michael On Mon, 29 May 2017 at 8:20 am, iovane--- via time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Next Aug 21 eclipse and time flow

2017-05-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Michael Wouters writes: >The effect you're looking for depends on a comparison of two different >kinds of atomic clocks eg Cs vs H-maser so the maser comparison presumably >will be a null measurement. It

Re: [time-nuts] Next Aug 21 eclipse and time flow

2017-05-29 Thread Michael Wouters
The effect you're looking for depends on a comparison of two different kinds of atomic clocks eg Cs vs H-maser so the maser comparison presumably will be a null measurement. But I see the path of totality passes a bit north of NIST Boulder and I'm pretty sure they will notice if there is an