Jenny Craig?
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and skim it to find the interesting
bits, then read them and let the rest go to an Outlook archive.
I have trouble throwing away things that might be useful some day.
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Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 10:45 PM
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, but that is not the case here.
Still, I think there is value in using a long sampling time for
the control action.
Comments accepted with enthusiasm.
Bill Hawkins
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oscillators affect the
settling time?
It is not useful to make the next change before the last one
is complete, at least for sampled systems. Using counters
filters the change rather than taking a sample.
Bill Hawkins
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From: Magnus Danielson
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012
Swiss-made? FEI 5660? PRS10? US $5,995? Oh, dear indeed.
Nice to know the fiscal predators have predators to bite 'em.
Bill Hawkins
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From: Jim Palfreyman
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 9:40 PM
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Subject: [time-nuts] Oh
heavy on my hands.
Bill Hawkins
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, that, amidst the noise about Chinese scopes.
Might want to fix the certificate so unsubscribers can do so.
OB timenuts: Time marches on.
Bill Hawkins
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From: Roy Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 12:39 PM
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] To remove membership
the wind dies down. Yes, the sewer gases can
be sucked out of the sewer, and sniffed in the breeze on the ground
or deck below and downwind of the vent.
Burt is right. Time marches on.
Bill Hawkins
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From: Burt I. Weiner
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 8:45 PM
To: time-nuts
for lead-ins are still a very good investment.
Bill Hawkins
PS- The worst explosion I remember there was the day a new technician
took a few pounds of scrap powder to the burning grounds. It was
supposed to be mixed with ten times as much sawdust to make it burn
instead of detonate. He got
, but I don't have time to play with
operating systems that are constantly being improved. I tried Ubuntu
and went back to Microsoft.
Then again, I'm leery of things that show up on April First.
Bill Hawkins
-Original Message-
From: Ed Mersich
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 5:18 PM
and collected stuff that might
be
interesting, what have you collected? Who will throw it in the dumpster when
you die?
If you are completely new to this, where would you like to start? Something
cheap
from an auction site or a new hydrogen maser?
Don't mind me, I've been around too long.
Bill Hawkins
,
an antenna connection, and several 50 pin connectors. A creative
bit banger could make a marvelous display from this unit. Truly
creative bit bangers are hard to find these days.
Have I challenged anybody here? Andy is one of the good guys.
Bill Hawkins
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From: time-nuts
Hi, Marvin
Congratulations on receiving the funding to keep the experiment alive
and to get the right equipment. I've thought of our conversation in
early November many times.
Is it coincidence that your posting arrives on the same day that a 60
nS error was found in the OPERA experiment?
Bill
Ah, Didier, that link is to a thread started in September, 2011.
Do I have to sort through the 1000+ comments to find something recent?
Bill Hawkins
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From: Didier Juges
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 5:20 PM
http://science.slashdot.org/story/11/09/22/1841217
?
Bill Hawkins, who has ideas but is not a professional
-Original Message-
From: Bill Woodcock
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 5:57 PM
Hi. This is my first posting to this list, and I'm not a timekeeping
engineer, so my apologies in advance for my ignorance in this area.
I'm building
Nothing in Minnesota.
Probably just the local terrorist cell tuning up the jammers for the
big event on Valentine's day.
Or a Light Squared test . . .
Bill Hawkins
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From: paul swed
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 7:52 AM
None on the east coast
Said Jackson saidj
processing, as hearing or speech. Why? What else does that?
There are many oscillators in the brain. At least one of them is
good enough that I can sometimes cancel my alarm just before it
goes off.
Bill Hawkins
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This would have the added benefit of fixing the scheduling bugs and
make finalizing automatic for a full disk, rather than the five clicks
it takes now.
One day, the lack of sync every week will get to me, and I'll start
this project, but I don't think I'll live to finish it.
Bill Hawkins
, starting with Feb 2011 warnings about
their frequency errors. Then I used Select All and Delete to remove
9% of the folder.
How about a new list for eBay finds that are a waste of money, like
the Lucent XO and Rb 15 MHz boxes? Maybe time-rats or time-junk
Bill Hawkins
Tobacco, coffee, alcohol
digital
broadcasting replaced analog.
Does anyone know how to make the DVR act as if it is seeing a
code with the correct time of day?
Failing that, can the crystal that determines time for the DVR
be adjusted?
Surely, some time-nut has solved this problem . . .
Bill Hawkins
Time is a great teacher
there were no new physics to be discovered,
time appears to be out of joint.
Bill Hawkins
As Yogi Berra once said, It's tough to make predictions,
especially about the future.
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Well, I just got out of the shower and had this thought:
There are people who hijack a thread *without* changing the Subject.
Tension is caused by noble goals meeting human imperfection. So it goes.
Oh, look at the time! Gotta run . . .
Bill Hawkins
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From: Attila
, a passage grave is not the same as a shadow cast by a
fine wire on a microscope. It might take a few years to locate it
properly.
Are there any timenuts that want to be buried in a passage grave?
Bill Hawkins
-Original Message-
From: Chris Albertson
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:40 PM
Mark,
Google gives this link as top of the list, and it does explain it.
http://www.amplifier.cd/Test_Equipment/Hewlett_Packard/HP_meter/HP3575A.htm
Very useful for Bode plots, but it doesn't do frequency stability.
Bill Hawkins
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From: Mark C. Stephens
Sent: Friday
are available for pickup at 55438 near Minneapolis,
Minnesota. For shipping I will use a service to pack and ship, which
will be reasonable but not cheap. I need to know by Jan 24, before
they join the rest of the stuff in a storage locker on a junk truck.
Bill Hawkins
to move
to assisted living.
Bill Hawkins
-Original Message-
From: cfo
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 2:58 PM
Hello Nuts
I'm a Danish radio ham , and have recently picked up electronics again.
I'm programming AVR ARM controllers , and doing some basic electronics
stuff. I am rusty
Just so, Chris.
Another possibility is loss of interest in time, which has become the enemy.
I've become fascinated with the workings of the brain, and how that has
affected aspects of civilization. Maybe I can write a book, before I can't.
Bill Hawkins
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From: Chris
...@iaxs.net, or call 952 835-6840.
Bill Hawkins
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If you follow the link to get an offline PDF, you get the whole
magazine in 32 MB. The result is interesting, but some of us would
be better off downloading at night.
This is the wrong list to start a discussion of your blinding
Internet connection speed.
Bill Hawkins
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Hello, WHAT???
Rob, that was a simple warning to people who might not be
expecting to tie up their machine while 32 megabytes
downloaded.
The magazine was very interesting. Thanks for posting the link.
Bill Hawkins
P.S. I did not mean you, Rob, when I said your speed. I was
trying to head off
beyond the capability of quartz at the required
error of one microsecond during the many hours that it will
take to transport Q between CERN and LNGS. Plenty of time
for cracks to propagate or chips fall off.
Why do you say we can ignore such effects?
Thanks for any enlightenment.
Bill Hawkins
with 1 PPS
and you can clock the simultaneous change of the digits. Although,
there is a certain charm to watching the change propagate at some low
serial message baud rate.
Head or tail deletion is a pretty good idea, too.
Bill Hawkins
-Original Message-
From: Jim Lux
Sent: Saturday
crave conflict.
Best wishes to all as the solemnity of the solstice approaches.
The solstice, at least, is about real planetary time.
Have at it, while you can.
Bill Hawkins
-Original Message-
From: J. Forster
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:10 PM
To: time-nuts@febo.com; vintage
? Sliding the one
ton mass is left as an exercise for the reader, as is installing it in the
basement.
Yours in search of more perfect knowledge outside my field,
Bill Hawkins
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didn't find them intimidating at all.
The gift shop would sell me a jacket with NSA logos, but I didn't
know where I would wear it. There is a certain cachet to having a
box that was used by top secret agents to decode radio intercepts.
Bill Hawkins
P.S. I'd recommend doing some signal tracing from
I should have been more direct.
What does a charged flash capacitor have to do with safety concerns
for low voltage batteries touching the tongue?
You can have the last word. It's time I moved on.
Bill Hawkins
-Original Message-
From: J. Forster
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 10:28
use of the word time in the above paragraph.
In the words of another organization for another reason, Move on.
Bill Hawkins
OTOH, I remember being very afraid, at 6 years old, when my father
told me it was OK to touch the terminals of a car battery. I'd heard
that electricity killed, but I had
Hey, John, got any idea of the DC to DC converter that charged that
capacitor? What voltage did it put out? Or the time it took to charge
it? Guarantee that you won't light a flash tube with 1.5 VDC.
Move on.
Bill Hawkins
-Original Message-
From: J. Forster
Sent: Monday, November 28
the product with a suitable wine. This is really a
great use of your thyme.
Oh, wait - this isn't the thyme-nuts list.
Never mind.
Bill Hawkins
The above was intended to entertain. Please don't be offended.
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, and they are designed to fail to protect
themselves.
Last I knew, the test had been cancelled.
Bill Hawkins
-Original Message-
From: Craig S McCartney
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 8:49 PM
Yet another challenge to proper time-keeping. I think that I will
re-calibrate the sundial in my yard
human empathy. Those who have it can deal
with the fact that no two people are alike. Those who don't would rule
the rest of us without understanding the differences. That's evolution
in action.
Bill Hawkins
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From: Bob Smither
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:32 PM
Bob
Fascinating thread.
Poul-Henning Kamp mentions contact prell.
Google can't find it. Even quoted, I get shampoo and people with that name.
I understand well contact bounce and contact dwell, but what is the meaning
of prell?
Bill Hawkins
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From: Poul-Henning Kamp
Sent
set up a time interval counter to show the phase between the two
outputs. The Racal-Dana 1992 does that at 10 MHz.
Out of curiosity, what would be the consequences of a steadily increasing
phase error? Would it offend your sense of perfection or would it have real
consequences?
Bill Hawkins
problem.
Perfection demands many oscillators with a voting system. Long winter nights
could be spent solving these problems. I'm too old for that stuff.
(I also post the most recent ideas first, so as not to reread old ideas.)
Bill Hawkins
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From: David VanHorn
Sent
to
have 24 volt receivers with software like GPSCon that can do SNTP.
RS422 is no problem.
Please let me know if you find drawings and software. Copies are
worth more than postage to me.
Bill Hawkins
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From: k4...@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 1:41 PM
I will look
What is a story about a pot calling a kettle black doing on this list?
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and see if the buzzing stops.
This is what I'd do, and I've never lost a 5061B yet - but then, I've never
owned one.
Did have a 5065 and some other Caesium standard, both with high initial
heater currents.
Bill Hawkins
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From: Erno Peres
Sent: Saturday, September 03
periodically meet under the
clock tower to set their watches, and reckon the distances to their
homes by the time offset.
Bill Hawkins, who recently read Neal Stephenson's Quicksilver.
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Guys,
Yes, the games are political.
No, politics is not the subject of this list.
I've stopped being curious about things I can't fix.
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when the steep drops in difference occur?
Is anyone else running a similar experiment?
Bill Hawkins
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From: Poul-Henning Kamp
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:13 AM
The jumps in the difference looks a lot like transformer phase-lag
in the grid, but the real test
, only that
the passage of time alters men's passions.
Bill Hawkins
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From: Mike Feher
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:21 PM
A guy is offering a complete set item # 320727122967 on eBay. I already have
one complete set and lots of duplicates, otherwise I would jump
change today) to
increase power on demand - in fuel and stress on the equipment.
With any luck, my next message will be about the frequency control
problem.
Bill Hawkins
-Original Message-
From: Hal Murray
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 11:15 PM
I've moved the 60 Hz stuff from
http
of change limit (can't be, 3000 people would have thought
of that.)
We welcome your comments with Enthusiasm.
The references below are important.
Bill Hawkins
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On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Bob Kupiec bobkup...@comcast.net wrote:
AP: Power grid change may disrupt clocks
the Liebert is available.
Bill Hawkins
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the rotating field and the speed of the rotor.
Synchronous motors don't have slip, just phase angle. Zero angle
looks like a resistive load, yes?
The compressors don't have to run in sync.
Best,
Bill Hawkins
(who heaves a nostalgic sigh just thinking about those fine old
engines of progress)
-Original
to be a way to work precision time into this
thread, but I can't think of one.
Bill Hawkins
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From: Poul-Henning Kamp
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 2:40 PM
In message 4e008a73.50...@erols.com, Chuck Harris writes:
and yet, I find that some electrolytic
capacitors
Which Pete?
If it's you, use the link that follows To unsubscribe, go to
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Behalf Of Pete Rawson
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 1:11 PM
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to share, but I'm considering moving on to a new hobby.
Bill Hawkins
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From: Robert Darlington
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 1:31 AM
Guys, I gotta ask, what does this have to do with time keeping? Am I
missing something?
-Bob
the sender's address and
made it clear that their mailer's Reply key was the wrong
thing to use, we might not be having this discussion.
You can reply to me at b...@iaxs.net. I'm already on all of
the spam lists, and Red Condor filters all of the spam.
Bill Hawkins
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From: Bob
That's a good link.
Here's another, to a video presentation that gets into the details of the
Symmetricom CSAC.
http://www.brainshark.com/Steve_FatSymmetricom/vu?pi=691826191dm=5pause=1;
appKey=77
Bill Hawkins
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From: James Fournier
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 9:25
processor.
Bill Hawkins
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For extra points, test with the same long cable at different
temperatures.
Say from soaking in a 150 deg F oven and a zero degree freezer.
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Try it with several different lengths of cable. If the unit
length delay changes, something else is going on.
Bill Hawkins
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solution to the 50/60 cycle line problem is a Z3801, a frequency
synthesizer, and a 70 watt audio PA amplifier with 70 volt line
output.
Notice the clever way I've eliminated the bytes from previous
messages . . .
Bill Hawkins
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Well, Wizard, I'd love to read it, but I don't hand out personal
details to unknown web sites.
Bill Hawkins
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From: gandal...@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 8:38 PM
I guess the title might just about say it all:-)
This is another generous donation from Rob
habits would do them any good, as I run away from ads with
dancing baloney (blinking, repeating, or adverdramas).
I'd like to hear from anyone who has made it available as a plain old
document for download.
Bill Hawkins
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From: James Fournier
Sent: Friday, March 11
was being
removed from the magazine and the museum.
The site credits the book On Time: How America Has Learned to Live
by the Clock by Carlene E. Stephens and The Smithsonian Institution
for it's information.
And now back to the regularly scheduled hardware and software
discussions.
Bill Hawkins
of the lines mark the hours. It has a second hand.
There are no marks at 6 and 12.
Sadly, the dial crystal is acrylic, and badly scratched.
But maybe that would work for you to make things even fuzzier
- if, that is, the watch was for sale.
Bill Hawkins
(who would not like to show up for a train
has killed a lot of them in my R-390A and Drake R-4A.
Curiously yours, Scott
And Roy Morgan asked:
I have a 1960's frequency standard from a Nike site: the Sulzer Oscillator
and would like to find tech into on it.
Any help appreciated.
Bill Hawkins
in an R-390 class
receiver. Brooke's tables of marked versus measured capacities sure
do indicate the need for replacement, but not with anything exotic.
Bill Hawkins
P.S. You don't know that he'll be dead in 20 years, but there is a
high probability that he'll be beyond caring. I mean
it. Last panel, That's real maturity.
Not saying any one is immature, just that feelings pass as life
goes on.
Bill Hawkins
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From: Perry Sandeen
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 2:59 PM
I apologize in advance for my long posting
apology accepted -
So where am
an archive, although the subjects do mutate from
the subject lines.
Bill Hawkins
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From: Perry Sandeen
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 2:59 PM
--- big Snip % ---
So where am I going with all this? Glad you asked.
No one knows if their or others data
than trusting
your route decisions to a device that was designed to look good in ads.
There has to be an accuracy disclaimer somewhere.
Bill Hawkins
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From: J. Forster
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 11:00 AM
My concern is a major industrial building complex and all
' away. He has had no trouble with navigation.
What would be the symptoms of interference? A disturbance in
PPS signals at the 10E-12 level?
Bill Hawkins
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From: shali...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 1:50 PM
The additional advantage is to give you diversity
My favorite watch is to stand outside on a quiet night and watch
the snow fall silently. It is a rare time-less moment.
Best wishes for the solstice celebration of your choice, or as
we used to say 60 years ago, Merry Christmas.
Bill Hawkins
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From: Michael Poulos
Sent
, no?
Bill Hawkins
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From: Burt I. Weiner
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 1:39 PM
It would seem the most jitter free way to do it would be to simply
multiply it up like we used to do. Some reasonably Hi-Q LC circuits
could make a nice flywheel and filter out other signals
.
All IMHO, of course.
Bill Hawkins
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From: Magnus Danielson
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:50 PM
%--
You mix requirements and sketch of design-idea. Keep requirements and
proposed design properties separate.
Cheers,
Magnus
by two hours and 91 seconds, over
a year. It's possible that I didn't make the final time zone
adjustment when I got back to Minnesota.
What was the problem with getting the back off?
Bill Hawkins
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From: Jim Palfreyman
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:17 PM
to be corrected.
Bill Hawkins
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From: Don Latham
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 12:49 AM
Might want to have the watch near body temp when you adjust?
Don
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generated in the copper disk. See if the
copper disk can be made thin enough to also have the circles
of holes.
In return for some mechanical skills, you can avoid strange
chips and arduous programming.
Bill Hawkins
-Original Message-
From: Michael Poulos
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 10
.
Bill Hawkins
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From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
Behalf Of Robert Atkinson
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:57 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Got 60HZ?
Ahh,
the tone wheel. make
Darn, I was sure that was a coded message to space saying it was
safe to bring the Mother Ship in because we were all distracted
by tax cuts for the rich.
Bill Hawkins
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From: Stan, W1LE
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 7:32 PM
To: Discussion of precise time
There are also a lot of GPS hockey pucks that send the NMEA codes
to map software in a laptop that are rapidly becoming obsolete.
NMEA is adequate for the 468 display.
Have three of them, to go with three NIB (except for the manual)
DC 468 receivers. Don't need any of them.
Bill Hawkins
How accurate do you want the survey to be? What's your budget?
A handheld GPS can give you 3 meters for 200-300 bucks.
Bill Hawkins
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From: wa1...@att.net
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:57 PM
I wish to survey some of my land here in the US. What used GPS
.
Bill Hawkins
b...@iaxs.net
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From: Collins, Graham
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 6:28 AM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: [time-nuts] Time Code generator
On another list to which I subscribe, the question was asked about the
suitability
Looks like an early marine GPS navigation device, probably
before WAAS. May have an NMEA output for other devices,
like fish finders.
Amazon has a VHS video of the operator's manual for $30
but only two left.
Bill Hawkins
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From: Pete Lancashire
Sent: Friday, December
maybe 1E-7, which is normal for WWV over the Rockies (sky-
wave).
Bill Hawkins
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From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Albertson
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 11:42 PM
To: j...@quik.com; Discussion of precise time
Brooke,
Google says the SD-200 speaks 4800 baud NMEA at 1 second intervals.
It is not clear whether the message is fixed of if it will reply
to queries.
Your question only concerned cost. Is one second accuracy adequate?
Bill Hawkins
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From: bro...@pacific.net
Sent
What's this?? Has gold been discovered on the west coast again?
Shall I cash in all my timenuts acquisitions for a pan and a donkey?
:-) for the sarcasm impaired . . .
Bill Hawkins
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From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
Behalf
It's normal. You have a defective unit.
Have 8781 messages in timenuts here. Will start thinning it
out by deleting threads for Thunderbolt and Lady heather.
Bill Hawkins
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From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
Behalf Of Bruce
error amplifier.
We are going for stability, not accuracy, right?
Bill Hawkins
P.S. Really good story to wind up the loosing things thread.
-Original Message-
From: Richard Karlquist
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 3:24 PM
Yes, E1938A. I was operating on limited sleep when I posted
long runs
of cable. This connection puts a lead wire in both legs of the
bridge.
Bill Hawkins
-Original Message-
From: Bob Camp
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 6:28 AM
The 100 ohm standard for RTD's dates way back. The assumption was that you
had it on a *long* run of cable (2 pair / sense
be to find an antique
precision resistance bridge. It will have many such resistors in
it, and you might be able to avoid winding altogether.
Please write for details.
Bill Hawkins
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From: Perry Sandeen
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:03 PM
List,
Looking
Antonio,
American English is my mother tongue. Sometimes I use it to say silly
things,
but I beg no one's indulgence. I haven't heard anything silly from you
yet.
Bill Hawkins
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From: asma...@fc.up.pt
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 5:02 PM
(English is not my mother
the fuse on the cannon.
If you Google noon gun you will be flooded with information
about the cannon on Signal Hill in Cape Town, SA. Use the advanced
search to reject Cape Town and many other locations will appear.
Bill Hawkins
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From: Rob Kimberley
Sent: Friday, November
And that is why lawyers have taken over the world - fear of the unknown.
Bill Hawkins
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Behalf Of Heathkid
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 8:46 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency
was born. I used to think my
grandfather, born in 1880, had seen a lot of change. Now I've seen a lot
of change, and lately none of it seems to be for the better.
Bill Hawkins
I hope someone appreciates the last two hour's work . . .
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for more creative solutions,
Bill Hawkins
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