Re: [time-nuts] UPS for my time rack

2015-10-11 Thread Bob Benward
Dave, You could use a 120V relay and switch the high capacity battery from its own charger to the battery pack in the UPS. When power comes back, the relay automatically switches the battery out and back to its own charger. Bob >>> -Original Message- >>> From: time-nuts

[time-nuts] Rohde & Schwarz GPSDO

2015-10-07 Thread Bob Benward
If anyone is interested, a Rohde & Schwarz GPSDO: Rohde & Schwarz GPS RECEIVER ED170MP MEINBERG 2105.5504.00 http://www.ebay.com/itm/262081245211?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649 =STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805A firmware?

2015-09-30 Thread Bob Benward
Not sure if this is the same problem but my Z3801 seems to have the same problem. It doesn't run long due to the 10811 crapping out after a hour, but even leaving it on, the date never seems to update. It's stuck somewhere around 1996 (wild guess). Bob >>> -Original Message- >>> From:

Re: [time-nuts] Z380XA The saga of the aging 10811

2015-09-26 Thread Bob Benward
>>> From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of James >>> Flynn >>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 10:40 AM >>> To: time-nuts@febo.com >>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z380XA The saga of the aging 10811 >>> >>> Bob Benwa

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 134, Issue 23

2015-09-24 Thread Bob Benward
t;>> 6 months prior to being hooked to the GPSDO...) >>> >>> >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> >>> On 9/23/2015 3:10 AM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: >>> > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 23:49:25 -0400 >>> > From:

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble GPSDO board

2015-09-14 Thread Bob Benward
Hank, Thank you! For some reason I don't have this email. I looked again, for the fifth time, and it's just not there. It may be in my spam folder or my email rules may have missed placed it. I apologize Arthur if I have caused you any grief, and I thank you for your informative discussion on

[time-nuts] Trimble GPSDO board

2015-09-14 Thread Bob Benward
All, I found my problem, or rather it went away. Even though I probed the base of the connector with a scope, after jiggling the cable, the output came back. Attached is an infinite persistence scope capture of my Z3805A (blue) vs the Trimble board (yellow). Triggering on the Trimble, you

Re: [time-nuts] Z380XA The saga of the aging 10811

2015-09-14 Thread Bob Benward
constantly causing a >>> temperature channge in one direction. >>> >>> Robert G8RPI. >>> >>> On 9 September 2015 at 04:40, Bob Benward <rbenw...@verizon.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Hi Ed, >>> > OK, a bad oven. I can b

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble GPSDO board

2015-09-13 Thread Bob Benward
Arthur, I did read your posts before I composed my email. You made no mention of getting the RS-232 to work, and you made no mention of the MACT switch. Yours worked from the start. I am not having such good luck. I got it to lock once, I notice the 1pps comes out almost immediately, even after

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble GPSDO board

2015-09-13 Thread Bob Benward
Hi Arthur, I looked at all your emails. This is the only reference to reading something from inside the unit: >"The one error I did notice is I said the board locked after it found satellites but that is incorrect." You have no other details on RS232 on the email of August 22 (I rec at 7:01pm

[time-nuts] Trimble GPSDO board

2015-09-12 Thread Bob Benward
Hi All, I finally hooked up my Trimble GPSDO today. I noticed it took a long time to lock and then the 10MHz would not come out until it achieved lock. I hit the reset switch and then it lost lock and surprisingly it takes forever to lock up again. After cycling power, it did produce and

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 service information ?

2015-09-08 Thread Bob Benward
figure I got my money's worth from the Z3805 and my interest in time nuts >>> pursuits has waned in recent years. >>> >>> Also I seem to recall this Z3805 loosing GPS lock during a lightning storm as >>> well. (I recall some one else mentioned this issue with their Z

Re: [time-nuts] Z380XA The saga of the aging 10811

2015-09-08 Thread Bob Benward
Hi Ed, OK, a bad oven. I can buy that. But then if the oscillator is constantly drifting, would that not imply that the oven is constantly changing temperature, in one direction? BTW, the curve is starting to flatten out. It might be flat before It gets to 1000K counts. Bob >>> -Original

[time-nuts] Z380XA The saga of the aging 10811

2015-09-05 Thread Bob Benward
Hi All, I would like to convey the saga of my Z3801A and my Z3805A. I purchased a Z3801A a few years ago at the Dayton Hamfest. I got it running and a few months later the unit lost it's GPS lock. I did some trouble shooting and finally realized the unit ran out of EFC range. I opened the

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 service information ?

2015-09-02 Thread Bob Benward
Can you communicate over RS232? Are you using the Z38xx software? What does it say? Bob >>> -Original Message- >>> From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mark >>> Spencer >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 12:54 PM >>> To: time-nuts@febo.com >>> Subject:

Re: [time-nuts] Chinese GPSDO 10 MHz error

2015-08-27 Thread Bob Benward
So how does a frequency lock work? How is it implemented? Can someone sketch a schematic? And what equipment or technique is used to measure a 2hz error at 100GHz? Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Tim Shoppa Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [time-nuts] Chinese GPSDO 10 MHz error

2015-08-27 Thread Bob Benward
Attila, I concur with you, what Azelio described is a standard off the shelf PLL. An XOR for a Type I phase discriminator, characterized by a 90 degree phase lock, and with more complicated logic, a Type II PLL which locks at zero degrees. In a well designed loop, in both cases over the long term

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble GPS board

2015-08-24 Thread Bob Benward
Arthur, You are correct, I missed that regulator, but may other Trimble oscillators are powered by +12V. That's what led me down the wrong path. I still suspect that it might have been designed for +12V, as +6.5V is not a common supply rail. I just got my Trimble board yesterday and hope to

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble GPS board

2015-08-24 Thread Bob Benward
Hi Angus, Thanks for your reply. My original suspicion is the +6.5V rail. That needs to come from somewhere, and you need headroom if it's an unregulated input. Pumping 2A through a regulator like that is no easy feat. Although rated for 3A, you need to keep the junction temperature below 125C.

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble GPS board

2015-08-19 Thread Bob Benward
Thank you all for your responses. I tried to buy one of those adapters but I think there was a language problem. Still waiting for a positive response from the seller. It seems this guy is selling those small GPSDOs. The ones dated 2014-11-06 2014-12-09 are the Morion, the 2015-07-08

[time-nuts] Trimble GPS board

2015-08-16 Thread Bob Benward
Hi all, Does anyone have any information or experience with this small Trimble GPSDO? There doesn't seem to be any associated model number other than the model of the OCXO (63090). I am looking for software, command codes, or hookup schematics, can anyone help?

[time-nuts] RS-232

2015-08-13 Thread Bob Benward
To Hal Murray, I checked my Z3801A and it was already set up for RS-232, regardless, I finally figured out my problem. Running a Z3805A and a Z3801A side by side can lead you down the rabbit hole. The Z3805A port settings are 9600,N,8,1 while the Z3801A uses an unusual 19200,O,7,1. It just

[time-nuts] RS-232 port

2015-08-09 Thread Bob Benward
I am sure this has been covered, but I did have much luck in the archives. I have an HP Z3805A with the nice faceplate and 6 leds on the front. I also have a Z3801A also with 6 LEDs. What is the difference in the com ports? The Z3805A works fine with a standard 25pin to 9 pin adapter. The