to reinstate Loran-C as eLoran.
David N1HAC
On 7/14/15 6:49 PM, Bob Camp wrote:
Hi
Not to be to much of a downer here but …..
Loran for timing and an “Eastern WWVB” are two projects that seem to each have a
life of their own. They seem to come up on some sort of cycle related to sun
spots.
Both have
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This is a reply to the topic Loran-C reception in the UK with specific
emphasis on the Stanford Research FS700.
Points to note.
All three of my units seem to have the Option 01 oscillator fitted,
although only
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given the numbers for GPS, Bob, but don't forget that later
ublox receivers can also work with GLONASS and other GNSS systems. If you
have a limited view, adding in these other satellites may provide more
usable signals and hence less chance of dropouts.
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How good/bad would a LORAN-C frequency reference such as the Stanford
Research FS700 work in the UK? I live about 60 km to the east of central
London.
Is there any future for LORAN-C in the UK?
I am looking for a frequency reference that is not GPS - I already have a
GPS frequency reference but
/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/sleep.html#tag_20_118
however, it's pretty widely supported these days.
David.
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for this behavior. Perhaps someone knows why this happened and can
explain?
Thanks much to all for the enjoyment of and knowledge I've gained from reading
postings on this list!
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1/10 second, which can be easily
achieved running NTP on Windows PCs. Having a local GPS-locked stratum-1
server based on a PC (Windows or Linux) or Raspberry Pi makes this
independent of needing an Internet connection - e.g. for field work.
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It is interesting as you go through the various student and home versions,
just how
hard it is to figure out what you are (and are not) buying in each case.
One example
would be the inclusion (or not) of GPIB capability. One would
with the RPi (-19
microseconds with the BBB, -1 to +24 microseconds with other GPS-synced
systems).
I don't think either system is good enough as a microsecond level server,
but either is fine for tenth millisecond level.
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The BBB generated sufficient RF interference to stop a near-on-board GPS
from working.
I have had no overheating troubles with the 9 RPi systems here, none have
needed added cooling, and none have burnt out. One is even running
Windows-10 IoT.
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willing to be convinced otherwise,
though. Recompiling is a long and painful process, and cross-compiling
presents further problems!
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Yes please. I could also use it.
Thanks,
David
On Jun 11, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Gerhard Wittreich gerh...@wittreich.org wrote:
Sean,
I have it (but not with me) and can send it directly to you this evening.
I will also gladly post if anyone else is interested.
Gerhard R Wittreich, P.E
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 16:26:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] z3801a - serial help and for sale.
David,
Using a USB dongle with an Apple Mac Laptop works fine for me
Where on the planet are you? I'm in UK so if you are in USA shipping will make
it uneconomic.
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Do you think it is OK to consider a pulse which arise 250 ns early to be close
enough?
For NTP usage that will be no problem whatsoever.
Dave
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Yes, Ed, if you are within a microsecond for the PPS input to your Raspberry
Pi that's fine. Don't forget it's a 3.3 V level.
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I'm throwing my hands up in the air - I don't have the time to wrestle my
silly mac into trying to talk to the box, unless someone has quick advice
on something I might be doing wrong.
z3801a, jumpered to RS232, modified with an internal switching power supply
(see photos below). Power light
in here- or what
model it could have been.
Any info would be nice.
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of the dual
74LVC74. With the inputs of the unused section connected to ground or
Vdd, it will draw no power.
David N1HAC
On 6/8/15 8:30 PM, Dan Watson wrote:
I have something of a follow up question. How good is the isolation inside
these devices (74LVC, SOT-23 package) between gates
I'm up for either ... My thoughts are to try it out on a development board and
if it works, maybe build a few for possible sale, and also release Gerbers and
VHDL files.
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My reading so far of what's been said in this thread is that you might get good
results using a CPLD/FPGA as a divider but ... .
Bruce pointed me to Rubiola's paper
http://rubiola.org/pdf-articles/conference/2013-ifcs-Frequency-dividers.pdf,
and while I'm sure the lambda divider is excellent,
and I'd be happy to
do what I can to answer.
Cheers!
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to learn how DCF77 and GPS have affected the need for the Swiss time
service.
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Is the shield explicitly powered? It may be being phantom powered from
the control lines when connected to the PC which are not present when
connected to the Thunderbolt.
David McGaw N1HAC
On 6/3/15 12:38 AM, Dan Quigley wrote:
Hello,
I'm integrating an Arduino (Due/Mega have tried both
.
- SD cards - cheap or not well mounted. The RPi 2 uses a micro-SD card with
a much more secure mounting.
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Is this a sensible thing to consider doing? Or would I be better sticking to
AC/HC/AHC/LVC logic?
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http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Raspberry-Pi-quickstart.html
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likely be changed.
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I have been plagued with hard
With all this talk of the LT6957 I'm wondering if there's interest in a re-spin
of my frequency divider with one of these at the front end instead.
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On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 09:52:03PM -0700, Jim Lux wrote:
Why iridium? Why not Sirius or XM or DBS. Unless you want something
world wide, as opposed to populated areas served by broadcast radio and
TV
Well it seems to me I remember Iridium is time domain duplex
around 1610 MHz or
Mark-
You might want to look at FEI-Zyfer, and their Nanosync line of products
http://www.fei-zyfer.com/time_sync.htm
I'm not sure about the pricing, but they look to meet your other
requirements
Dave
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Hi sorry
That's one of the reasons I was considering a re-spin of the board using a
better ZCD solution.
Dave
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I had this happen with my S250. It hangs during boot with the spinning
hourglass stopping, right?
The problem ended up being that the processor module had come slightly
unseated. The initial boot messages on the display are independent from the
functioning of the processor module.
Thanks,
David
I doubt there is any information, but the place to ask is the Tekscopes group
on Yahoo! Also Tekscopes2 (schism) also on Yahoo!
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I have an HP 58503A which I am using as a frequency source only - not
to tell the time. I want to shorted the antenna cable a bit, but are
wondering if I should let the GPS receiver finds it position again. Or
either of the following better
* Remove antenna cable, put a new N plug on, and screw
users, and they have achieved 2
milliseconds in tests.
https://tech.ebu.ch/docs/techreview/trev_2009-Q1_HD-Audio-Delays.pdf
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/disk.html#TinyBen
and a digital clock for Windows and Linux:
http://www.satsignal.eu/raspberry-pi/DigitalClock.html
I've not written a sound comparison tool for Linux or Windows.
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as my dual-core Intel
Atom. Jitter reported by NTP is just under 4 microseconds, being limited to
the sys_jitter value of 3.8 microseconds.
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Of course, using special software you can achieve better, but you aren't
going to get 10 ns accuracy over Ethernet when using the device as an NTP
server, which was the original request. I wonder what accuracy the OP
requires?
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Here are some details on how the McCoy OSC92-13B is used in the HP 70310A
Precision Frequency Reference, and how the OCXO is driven:
https://medium.com/@HP70K/70310a-oscillator-investigations-a3bf473459aa
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David Slik
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On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 8:55 AM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote:
I am
support in the community, if
you want to use it for other tasks as well, and doesn't suffer from the
problem of generating RF interference at GPS frequencies.
Both are excellent little devices!
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On 5 Apr 2015 02:26, Charles Steinmetz csteinm...@yandex.com wrote:
One expects a safety factor between the minimum spec and typical
operation. I'd be concerned if a 58503 was consistently predicting 2uS
(to me, 2uS means I may still meet spec, but I'm not as stable as I
should be).
Best
On 1 Apr 2015 23:24, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote:
HI
Best guess is that your antenna is not doing the job.
That's possible. It was supposed to be an Andrews antenna, but there's
nothing on it to indicate that to me. But it is well sited. I expect
antenna issues can explain the log entry
There is evidence that the ear can discern differences in timing down to
the uS range. See a discussion by David Blackmer of DBX and Earthworks:
http://www.earthworksaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/The-world-beyond-20kHz.pdf
David McGaw
On 4/1/15 7:11 PM, Chris Albertson wrote
chance, but you could be right. On the
other hand, I just checked now and it's 1.9 seconds off. I compare with
Emerald Time, which includes my one stratum-1 NTP server in its sources.
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/emerald-time/id290384375?mt=8
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suggestions what I can do to try to find why the alarm would be on?
Once the LED is on, do they ever go out? I assume its purpose is to
indicate there was a problem, rather than that there's currently a
problem, but I'm puzzled there's no entry in the log to indicate why
the alarm is on
Dr. David
On 1 April 2015 at 17:39, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote:
I can't help but notice that you have several of these entries:
Log 067:20150101.00:00:11: 5V is out of tolerance, value: 5.52
Log 068:20150101.00:00:11: 15V is out of tolerance, value: 19.46
I think you better look into them
server of your
choice, but it also has a particularly sharp tick on the seconds, and a
different-toned tick at the top of the minute.
The clock also has an outer circle that can be configured to complete one
rotation every second, which is great for comparing between clocks.
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, but as there wasn't enough
interest so that's not about to happen ...
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Charles
The input impedance of the divider board is nominally 50 ohms (closer to 45
ohms, with 1Vrms drive
??? How do you get to that 45 ohm figure. The input has a pair of 100R in
parallel, so I can't see how it can be 45R input impedance. Did you derive
that figure based on observing
/ntp/BBB-vs-RPi.html
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david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk said:
Perhaps because NTP sees the offset in both send and receive packets and
therefore, like any other network delay, it is subtracted out.
The description of the change was to remove a delay on the receive side.
There was no mention
. ??
Perhaps because NTP sees the offset in both send and receive packets and
therefore, like any other network delay, it is subtracted out.
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of significantly reducing that
latency, so that the delay reported by NTP is reduced from ~0.51 to ~0.35
milliseconds.
http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/RaspberryPi-notes.html#EthernetLatency
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things changed between the two OS
versions I added a comparison here:
http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/BBB-vs-RPi.html#OS-comparison
Many thanks all for your help. Tomorrow I will update the table, and I'm
sure that the BBB will win out under both measures.
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David:
On the BBB, were you running the fully loaded release, or the minimum
console version of the OS?
Which specific version of the OS?
Thanks,
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The download was:
bone-debian-7.8-lxde-4gb-armhf-2015-03-01-4gb.img.xz (547,024,548 bytes
David:
On this page:
http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian#BBW.2FBBB_.28All_Revs.29
they list an alternative console only image:
https://rcn-ee.com/rootfs/bb.org/release/2015-03-01/console/bone-debian-7.8-console-armhf-2015-03-01-2gb.img.xz
It might be easier starting
as an NTP server.
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On this page:
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they list an alternative console only image:
https://rcn-ee.com/rootfs/bb.org/release/2015-03-01/console/bone-debian-7.8-console-armhf-2015-03-01-2gb.img.xz
It might be easier starting
Folks,
I've just put up my first draft of a comparison of these two popular devices
as NTP servers:
http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/BBB-vs-RPi.html
Comments welcomed - I know it's an imperfect test!
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I have received the following:
UK 60 kHz MSF outage: Mon 2 - Thurs 19 March, 08:00-18:00 UTC - service
off-air each day (will be back on air overnight at weekends).
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You might wish to look at the LTC6957 as your input shaper device. I think
you'll find it far superior to either 74xx logic or fast comparator such as the
LT1016.
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I've not had any replies on this for a bit, and I have only had interest
expressed for a total of 10 boards which isn't an economically viable quantity.
So I'm afraid that this won't be going to production unless I get a whole lot
more interest.
Sorry
Dave
Hmmm is it possible that a nearby board had a wet tantalum capacitor (H2SO4
electrolyte) that failed spraying acid?
Dave
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with a PPS
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Raspberry Pi here:
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On 18 Feb 2015 04:20, Tom McDermott tom.n...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Dave - agree that VNA is one good way to measure the delay. If
required
accuracy is less than about
0.5 nsec, then Tx antenna to Rx antenna mutual impedance starts to become
an issue.
I don't see why. The two antennas can (and
On 7 Feb 2015 19:18, Tom McDermott tom.n...@gmail.com wrote:
Has anyone on the list measured or otherwise estimated the active antenna
delay including the amp and filters?
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I have never done this, but suspect that using a VNA is the best way to
go. With a simple passive dipole
).
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Folkert,
I'm not aware of any significant changes. Could it be that you have more
interference at 60 kHz than two years ago?
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transmission should be resumed overnight and at weekends)
See:
http://www.npl.co.uk/science-technology/time-frequency/products-and-services/time/msf-outages
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the problem is more likely to be Wine as multiple programs
show the issue, you could try the PuTTY terminal program instead of the
rather old HyperTerm:
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html
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) followed on from CirKit but
don't remember if there was a formal connection between the companies or
not.
Hope that helps, this method to find old data is frequently.
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On 25 Jan 2015 23:02, Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote:
You're getting 1e-12 at 1 second. Sounds fine to me.
Obviously you have the experience to know that 1e-12 at 1 second is fine.
But if it's possible, I would like to understand the relationship between
the counters specification and
After sorting out some GPIB issues, I finally got to be able to make
some measurements on my Stanford Research SR620 time-interval counter.
I thought it sensible to first try to determine the performance of the
counter, which is using its own high stability clock (option 001). So
no external
/net.htm#NTPLeapTrace
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of the famous Greenwich Observatory was set up at a place
called Abinger Bottom to protect the UK’s national timing resource.
Article:
http://www.electronicsweekly.com/engineer-in-wonderland/general/greenwich-time-signal-lived-surrey-beauty-spot-2015-01/
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On 13
On 12 January 2015 at 12:34, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote:
Hi,
I just stumbled over this [1] nice article by Fritz Riehle that might be
of interest to others as well.
Attila Kinali
[1] Towards a Re-definition of the Second Based on Optical Atomic Clocks,
by
/raspberry-pi/DigitalClock.html
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were achieved with neons and locked multivibrators, where
necessary, I believe.
[]
Alan
G3NYK
I have one 500 c/s GEC crystal in an octal base which is thinner than a
60 Kc/s one, so a different mode. Never had it working, though.
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Hi David yes I think I have seen similar but not as low as that. If you
compare the suspension points the different vibrational mode should
obvious.the suspension point is at a node. I think some of these are
quite difficult to excite, I have not seen any suggested circuits but I have
On 7 Jan 2015 01:24, Charles Steinmetz csteinm...@yandex.com wrote:
Dave wrote:
At 50 MHz, the loss from the common port is 12.8 dB, and the isolation
between two ports sets of ports is either 38 or 48 dB
To get the worst-case output-to-output isolation, you need to test two
output ports
On 8 January 2015 at 10:03, Charles Steinmetz csteinm...@yandex.com wrote:
Dave wrote:
Yes, but I was aware of this, and that's why I got two different isolation
figures.
What I was pointing out is that there will be *4* different isolation
figures from any one output port, not just two.
On 4 January 2015 at 02:37, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote:
Hi
On Jan 3, 2015, at 6:09 PM, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk wrote:
I was looking to make a 10 MHz distribution amp to feed test equipment with
the output of a GPSDO.
I see this
http
Just to say, the comment on the graphs that the VNA covers 50 MHz to 20
MHz, is obviously wrong. My 8720D covers 50 MHz to 20 GHz.
I do have another couple of VNAs here that cover 10 MHz. I will do some
more measurements, with a more suitable VNA when I have both splitters here
and some time for
I was looking to make a 10 MHz distribution amp to feed test equipment with
the output of a GPSDO.
I see this
http://m.ebay.com/itm/201244302355
16-way Minicircuits splitter on eBay which I got for $40. I guess the loss
is around 12 dB.
I actually bought another for $35 which was similar but
in a rather short lifetime.
Agreed on the GPS as well - it's the PPS which is required for precise time
measurement.
David
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the number of boards you would want. The last
boards from the previous production run (of 100) were selling at around
GBP62.50 each EXCLUDING PP. (£75 including PP to anywhere). Fewer boards
increases the cost (unfortunately).
My email address is david dot partridge at perdrix dot co dot uk
On 1 January 2015 at 17:03, Andy Bardagjy andybarda...@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds like the GPS receiver is hosed. I think there are two different
receivers used in the 58503a, unfortunately I'm away from my lab, otherwise I
could check mine. It is a standard part, and may be available on the
want to bother PHK with this as it's likely way in
the past for him.
Happy New Year!
David
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to the studio, and then delay through Sky
satellite TV. The BBC here no longer shows a clock, perhaps partially for
that reason.
At least there was no leap -second to confuse things!
Happy New Year!
73,
David GM8ARV
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is done by BG7TBL. In his store on taobao.com, there is a
adev
chart. Please refrer to this link
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3.w4002-1278071728.49.XHJlQLid=42336500072
2014-12-29 1:56 GMT+08:00 Dan Rae dan...@verizon.net:
On 12/28/2014 7:25 AM, David Smith
card, and learning
more in the process, is why I'm doing this.
I hope that is within the remit of this group.
Cheers,
David
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be able to drive the net4501's clock (at some point
in the future).
Cheers,
David
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Hello Friends,
I found this new inexpensive GPSDO on ebay listed from a seller from China:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GPS-DISCPLINED-CLOCK-GPSDO-10M-OUTPUT-SQUARE-WAVE-/111514491254?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item19f6c81976
It looks interesting and tempting BUT the seller doesn't give any spec's
I have two queries. Both hopefully quick to answer
1) From what I gather, the HP GPS timing receivers can be
observed/controlled with HP SmartClock. But where I download it from? I
drew a blank with Google, as well as the Microsemi site
http://www.microsemi.com/
which bought Symetricon,
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