Re: [time-nuts] 1 PPS Correction Problem using DS1123LE-50, Delay Line

2015-02-06 Thread Tom Wimmenhove
Could it maybe be that you're actually writing the delay value into the chip while the pulse is high? I've had that problem with a DS1023-100. The solution was to wait until the pulse goes low, and then set the delay for the next pulse. Regards, Tom On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Dan

Re: [time-nuts] 1 PPS Correction Problem using DS1123LE-50 Delay Line

2015-02-04 Thread Azelio Boriani
Both the outputs (REF and OUT, pins 9 and 15) are affected by the jump or only the delayed one has the problem? Anyway it is strange that a device that can only delay a maximum of 100ns, suddenly goes into the milliseconds. The only millisecond time I see in the datasheet is the turn-on delay, so

Re: [time-nuts] 1 PPS Correction Problem using DS1123LE-50, Delay Line

2015-02-04 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Martyn, In working with a 6T receiver we have noticed that sometimes the reported offset correction is not correct. These instances appear to be infrequent, and have only been noted as a single instance at a time. For example you will occasionally get a -10.2nS correction when you should get

Re: [time-nuts] 1 PPS Correction Problem using DS1123LE-50 Delay Line

2015-02-03 Thread Martyn Smith
Hello, I am using a LEA-6T GPS chip with the DS1123LE-50 delay line to correct the jitter of the 1 pps output from the GPS chip. The correction works very well, dropping the peak to peak jitter of the 1pps output from about 20 ns to 3 ns. However, I randomly get a big jump of the 1 pps

Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps correction

2012-04-07 Thread Chris Albertson
The simplest way to do this is to use a standard GPS and let if drive a GPSDO. Yes you can try and build a copy of a T-bolt but how many engineering ours do you think Trimble spent on that? Well over a man year I'd say and few people have the range of skills needed to do it all themselves. If

Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps correction

2012-04-07 Thread EWKehren
Chris do you or any one else have a micro controller and code for such an 8 pin solution? The rest I would know how to do. Bert Kehren In a message dated 4/7/2012 12:12:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, albertson.ch...@gmail.com writes: The simplest way to do this is to use a standard

Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps correction

2012-04-07 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 11:45 AM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Chris  do you or any one else have a micro controller and code for  such an 8 pin solution? The rest I would know how to do. That is what I wrote about earlier, few people have the technical skill to do every part of a design. No I

Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps correction

2012-04-02 Thread Azelio Boriani
OK, thank you. I'll collect the documentation you suggest to study it. Yes, the PRS10 manual available online has no schematic. The paper one does have. Does this means that Stanford Research want it not to be disseminated? On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 5:06 AM, Said Jackson saidj...@aol.com wrote: Hi

Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps correction

2012-04-02 Thread Stijn Nestra
The PRS10 schematics are available on line from Didier. See the following link: http://www.ko4bb.com/manuals/index.php?dir=05%29_GPS_Timing/SRS Sincerely, Stijn Op 02-04-12 09:48, Azelio Boriani schreef: OK, thank you. I'll collect the documentation you suggest to study it. Yes, the PRS10

Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps correction

2012-04-02 Thread Azelio Boriani
Oh, well, I have the original PRS10 manual as we (that is, the company) bought a new PRS10 one month ago. I was enquiring wether or not it can be scanned and sent to you. Now it no longer matters. On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Stijn Nestra st...@pe1rks.nl wrote: The PRS10 schematics are

Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps correction

2012-04-02 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 04/02/2012 11:35 AM, Stijn Nestra wrote: The PRS10 schematics are available on line from Didier. See the following link: http://www.ko4bb.com/manuals/index.php?dir=05%29_GPS_Timing/SRS Thanks! On the same page (21/24) as the x2000 PPS time interpolator is also the PPS programmable delay

Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps correction

2012-04-01 Thread Azelio Boriani
Said, how complex is your 20pS time interval counter? Is it analog, FPGA, something else (if you can disclose some info, of course)? On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.netwrote: mar...@ptsyst.com said: I’ve seen that the peak to peak jitter is reduced from

Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps correction

2012-04-01 Thread Azelio Boriani
14:44:26 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps correction mar...@ptsyst.com said: I’ve seen that the peak to peak jitter

Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps correction

2012-04-01 Thread Said Jackson
Hi Azelio, its a dual slope interpolator, much like the HP 5334A counter. In fact the 5334A service manual is very nice to go through to get lectured on how this works. The capture hardware is similar to the Linear Tech app note written by Jim Williams (mentioned in the time nuts archives).

[time-nuts] 1 pps correction

2012-03-31 Thread Martyn Smith
Hello, I’m a bit new to GPS receivers. I’m reading all about sawtooth correction of the 1 pps output signal, on the ilotus M12M or M12+. I understand that correction can either be hardware controlled or software controlled. Does anyone make a low cost stand alone board to carry out this

Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps correction

2012-03-31 Thread Azelio Boriani
And here: www.cnssys.com/files/PTTI/PTTI_2006.pdf Anyway, using a Dallas/Maxim DS1023-100 delay line (and a microprocessor, of course) you read the @@Hn data from the iLotus M12M and apply the correction to the delay line. Of course the delay line cannot anticipate the PPS, so that you have to

Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps correction

2012-03-31 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Azelio Boriani azelio.bori...@screen.it wrote: And here: www.cnssys.com/files/PTTI/PTTI_2006.pdf Anyway, using a Dallas/Maxim DS1023-100 delay line (and a microprocessor, of course) you read the @@Hn data from the iLotus M12M and apply the correction to the

Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps correction

2012-03-31 Thread Said Jackson
Chris, You are describing the differences and advantages of software correction versus hardware correction. The delay line will also have a temperature dependent drift besides the added noise, but it does give you a real time 1pps. The software correction requires a good time interval

Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps correction

2012-03-31 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Chris: I've done it both ways. Made up a hardware corrector that used a time delay IC driven by a PIC that corrected the 1 PPS. This is great for conditioning the 1 PPS into an SRS PSR10 oscillator. http://www.prc68.com/I/PRS10.shtml Also wrote some Lab View code that applied the sawtooth

Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps correction

2012-03-31 Thread Kevin Rosenberg
On Mar 31, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote: But for the general first case the hardware solution with the delay line is the only way. I think there may be an exception specifically for the PRS10 in that it may accept a sawtooth correction on the RS-232 input (I seem to remember

Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps correction

2012-03-31 Thread Hal Murray
mar...@ptsyst.com said: I’ve seen that the peak to peak jitter is reduced from something like 27 ns to 10 ns. Is this a reduction of just the jitter, or is the actual accuracy to UTC also improved by this amount. Have you read the hanging-bridges paper? Tom Clark and Rick Hambly: