Re: [time-nuts] Distributed DDS

2011-02-06 Thread Florian E. Teply
On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 23:47:10 +0100 Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 30/01/11 23:08, ehydra wrote: I'm not sure if I overview the problem correctly. Hm, why not run the cable back and measure the round time? Half this time und you know the delay of one way. Then you can

Re: [time-nuts] Distributed DDS

2011-01-31 Thread Javier Serrano
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Doing what you proposes with timely updates of DDS frequency as comes out of a PLL loop will work nicely if only the phase is coordinated. However, what happens if a node or number of nodes experience a

Re: [time-nuts] Distributed DDS

2011-01-31 Thread Javier Serrano
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 11:08 PM, ehydra ehy...@arcor.de wrote: I'm not sure if I overview the problem correctly. Hm, why not run the cable back and measure the round time? Half this time und you know the delay of one way. Then you can shift this with a PLL away. This is (kind of) what White

Re: [time-nuts] Distributed DDS

2011-01-31 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 31/01/11 09:45, Javier Serrano wrote: On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Doing what you proposes with timely updates of DDS frequency as comes out of a PLL loop will work nicely if only the phase is coordinated. However, what happens

Re: [time-nuts] Distributed DDS

2011-01-30 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 27/01/11 11:15, Javier Serrano wrote: Dear nuts, Triggered by Ulrich's very interesting thread on nasty DDS features, I would like to submit for comments an idea for an application of DDS technology which hopefully does not suffer from them. We have a need at CERN to distribute RF signals

Re: [time-nuts] Distributed DDS

2011-01-30 Thread ehydra
I'm not sure if I overview the problem correctly. Hm, why not run the cable back and measure the round time? Half this time und you know the delay of one way. Then you can shift this with a PLL away. A similar scheme is used in almost all modern PC clock distribution chips. A bunch of PLLs on

Re: [time-nuts] Distributed DDS

2011-01-30 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 30/01/11 23:08, ehydra wrote: I'm not sure if I overview the problem correctly. Hm, why not run the cable back and measure the round time? Half this time und you know the delay of one way. Then you can shift this with a PLL away. A similar scheme is used in almost all modern PC clock

[time-nuts] Distributed DDS

2011-01-27 Thread Javier Serrano
Dear nuts, Triggered by Ulrich's very interesting thread on nasty DDS features, I would like to submit for comments an idea for an application of DDS technology which hopefully does not suffer from them. We have a need at CERN to distribute RF signals (those used for driving particle-accelerating