Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread cfo
On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 13:19:14 +0200, Azelio Boriani wrote: The Xilinx and Altera have their embedded CPUs (Microblaze and Nios) IP. I'm not familiar with them and don't know how much they cost. Until now I have developed on Xilinx 50Kgates FPGA and 128 cells CPLD with the Xilinx's free tools.

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/7/12 4:47 AM, Javier Herrero wrote: El 07/04/2012 13:19, Azelio Boriani escribió: The Xilinx and Altera have their embedded CPUs (Microblaze and Nios) IP. I'm not familiar with them and don't know how much they cost. Until now I have developed on Xilinx 50Kgates FPGA and 128 cells CPLD

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread Azelio Boriani
OK, taken a look: it seems that the smallest Spartan3 usable is the 400Kgates. I don't need the ZPU now but good to know. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 3:35 PM, cfo xne...@luna.dyndns.dk wrote: On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 13:19:14 +0200, Azelio Boriani wrote: The Xilinx and Altera have their embedded CPUs

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread Chris Albertson
If you are looking for free soft core CPUs for use in an FPGA then look here: http://opencores.org/projects Look under processors for many CPU cores. They also have some Eithernet controllers you'd need. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 6:35 AM, cfo xne...@luna.dyndns.dk wrote: On Sat, 07 Apr 2012

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread Javier Serrano
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Javier Herrero jherr...@hvsistemas.es wrote: RTEMS also (see www.milkymist.org , an open source hardware and software project with an LM32 implementation on a Spartan 6 FPGA using RTEMS. We use the LM32 (http://www.ohwr.org/projects/lm32) in the White Rabbit and

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread shalimr9
measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux) The Xilinx and Altera have their embedded CPUs (Microblaze and Nios) IP. I'm not familiar with them and don't know how much they cost. Until now I have developed on Xilinx 50Kgates FPGA and 128

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread Javier Herrero
El 07/04/2012 18:17, shali...@gmail.com escribió: When you install the Altera tools, it automatically installs NIOS and gcc. I assume there are no restrictions for private use, but you may have to send $ if you make a commercial product. That remains to be checked. With the Quartus Web, you

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread Javier Herrero
El 07/04/2012 16:02, Jim Lux escribió: On 4/7/12 4:47 AM, Javier Herrero wrote: I'm very familiar with the LEON and RTEMS, having managed a software development project with it for the last 3 or 4 years at work. http://www.gaisler.com/ for LEON http://www.rtems.org/ for RTEMS I will have a

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread Andrew Rodland
Chris Albertson albertson.chris@... writes: On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Andrew Rodland andrew@... wrote: Another option would be building something on an FPGA. This would be a considerable stretch for me, since I've never done FPGA work, but if I build from the ground up, I can

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/7/12 10:08 AM, Javier Herrero wrote: El 07/04/2012 16:02, Jim Lux escribió: RTEMS wise... It's pretty well supported by the community, it's open source, it does all the stuff you want a RTOS to do. it's NOT a multitasking, dynamic loading OS like Linux. That is it doesn't support an MMU

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/7/12 8:57 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: If you are looking for free soft core CPUs for use in an FPGA then look here: http://opencores.org/projects Look under processors for many CPU cores. They also have some Eithernet controllers you'd need. Like all things opencores/sourceforge/etc you

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread Javier Herrero
El 08/04/2012 00:21, Jim Lux escribió: On 4/7/12 10:08 AM, Javier Herrero wrote: El 07/04/2012 16:02, Jim Lux escribió: RTEMS might be just what you need. Kernel, basic OS calls for scheduling, queues, etc. It's nice when you decide you want threading to not have to graft it into a big

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread Javier Herrero
Hi, Jim, I will ask off-list to reduce noise... :) El 08/04/2012 00:29, Jim Lux escribió: If you need a 64 bit timer core with a bunch of latches and a programmable pulse generator, let me know. We've got one at JPL we're happy to distribute (for free). I take good note. This is the

[time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-06 Thread Andrew Rodland
Azelio Boriani azelio.boriani@... writes: On a side note, speaking of deterministic systems, why has no one built a GPSDO with an FPGA yet? Or an NTP server? :) Yes, I have: I have a GPSDO entirely on a 50Kgates FPGA (Spartan3 XC3S50) without microprocessor. GPS is the iLotus M12M and

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-06 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Andrew Rodland and...@cleverdomain.org wrote: Another option would be building something on an FPGA. This would be a considerable stretch for me, since I've never done FPGA work, but if I build from the ground up, I can have *very* tight control over things that