Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds...

2011-09-18 Thread shalimr9
and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds... Should not be ms instead of us for a transatlantic cable? 60us at light speed is only 18km ;) Regards, Javier El 16/09/2011 23:53, shali...@gmail.com escribió: I just read

Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds...

2011-09-18 Thread shalimr9
@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds... All this fuss over microseconds being worth billions and it still takes a bank 5 days to find out if the check I wrote is good? Where's a good manure scoop when you need one? Tom Holmes, N8ZM Tipp City, OH EM79

Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds...

2011-09-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 18/09/11 13:32, shali...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, if you pay attention, it probably only takes your bank a few uS to debit your account when you write a check. It takes 5 days to credit it when you receive one. A perfect example of asymmetric processing :) I am amazed checks is still

Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds...

2011-09-18 Thread Tom Holmes
and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds... All this fuss over microseconds being worth billions and it still takes a bank 5 days to find out if the check I wrote is good? Where's a good manure scoop when you need one

Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds...

2011-09-17 Thread gary
Interesting story, though I never heard of Oracle and fast used in the same news article. As an aside to what I guess is already an aside, the particle physics guys use Linux too, but a special distribution. http://www.scientificlinux.org/ Basically, they want to insure everyone is, shall

Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds...

2011-09-17 Thread Robert Darlington
Careful, my particle physicists run RedHat. To be honest, I never heard of Scientific Linux. Looking into it, I see it's a custom distro put together by CERN. -Bob D (Los Alamos National Lab) On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 2:41 AM, gary li...@lazygranch.com wrote: Interesting story, though I

Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds...

2011-09-16 Thread shalimr9
time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds... Time Technology and leaping seconds http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/time-technology-and-leaping-seconds.html The solution we came up with came to be known as the “leap smear.” We modified our

Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds...

2011-09-16 Thread xaos
-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds... Time Technology and leaping seconds http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/time-technology-and-leaping-seconds.html The solution we came up with came

Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds...

2011-09-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 20110916084529.80082q5qgwy5p...@host111.hostmonster.com, xaos@dark smile.net writes: And you can forget most physicists and metrologists as well, the do not want wavelengths, half-lifes and energies to depend on the time of day... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus

Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds...

2011-09-16 Thread Hal Murray
x...@darksmile.net said: You can forget Wall St. firms and Banks for starters. They need sub-microsecond accurate timing as some instruments (Forex) are moving to 10 microsecond latency from order entry to order ack. 10 microsecond latency doesn't say anything about how accurate the time

Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds...

2011-09-16 Thread xaos
You are right. To be more precise, I should have said that the time sync should be at least 1 order of magnitude less. In the case of 10us turnaround time, it is assumed that the timesync is 1us. This is the reason that everyone uses multiple stratum 1 NTP servers using GPS in their

Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds...

2011-09-16 Thread shalimr9
@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds... You are right. To be more precise, I should have said that the time sync should be at least 1 order of magnitude less. In the case of 10us turnaround time, it is assumed that the timesync is 1us. This is the reason

Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds...

2011-09-16 Thread Javier Herrero
and frequency measurementtime-nuts@febo.com; Hal Murrayhmur...@megapathdsl.net Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds... You are right. To be more precise, I should have said

Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds...

2011-09-16 Thread xaos
...@febo.com Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:05:40 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurementtime-nuts@febo.com; Hal Murrayhmur...@megapathdsl.net Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing

Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds...

2011-09-16 Thread lists
: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:59:01 To: time-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds... With the recent wild fluctuations in the Commodities markets it is incredibly

Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds...

2011-09-16 Thread Bob Paddock
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: x...@darksmile.net said: You can forget Wall St. firms and Banks for starters. They need sub-microsecond accurate timing as some instruments (Forex)   are moving to 10 microsecond latency from order entry to order

Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds...

2011-09-16 Thread Tom Holmes
...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Paddock Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 7:50 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds... On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: x

Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds...

2011-09-16 Thread xaos
- From: x...@darksmile.net Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:59:01 To: time-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds... With the recent

[time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds...

2011-09-15 Thread Doug Calvert
Time Technology and leaping seconds http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/time-technology-and-leaping-seconds.html The solution we came up with came to be known as the “leap smear.” We modified our internal NTP servers to gradually add a couple of milliseconds to every update, varying over a

Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds...

2011-09-15 Thread Christopher Quarksnow
It's interesting to see the title *Why time matters at Google* in the blog when Androis bug 5485 has not been fixed in over two years, and most Android-based phones are 15 seconds fast, as GPS-disciplined rather than UTC. It appears only Samsung got around When hearing about this, Daniel