Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-10 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The 5371 / 5372 are never going to be as popular as the 5370 in terms of people needing support. They just aren't that common. Getting binary dumps into one of the software packages would be very nice. The rest of the stuff is much further down my list. Without a binary dump, you can't

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 539fb2cd-a764-4825-8932-970d4253b...@rtty.us, Bob Camp writes: The 5371 / 5372 are never going to be as popular as the 5370 in terms of people needing support. They just aren't that common. Getting binary dumps into one of the software packages would be very nice. The rest of the

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-10 Thread Ed Palmer
I don't understand why you need something like the 537x counters for long-term measurement. The 200 ps resolution of the 5372A gives you a noise floor of about 5e-14 @ 4000 seconds. Something like the Pictic II gives you better resolution at a fraction of the size, heat, noise, and power.

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-10 Thread Ed Palmer
My 5372A is firmware version 3127 [12 July 1991] e/w option 040. Serial number prefix is 3301. Ed Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message 539fb2cd-a764-4825-8932-970d4253b...@rtty.us, Bob Camp writes: The 5371 / 5372 are never going to be as popular as the 5370 in terms of people needing

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-10 Thread Magnus Danielson
Ed, On 10/02/11 00:00, Ed Palmer wrote: Magnus Danielson wrote: The Frequency vs. Time view is lovely. The 5372A does calculate ADEV but does not provide ADEV plots. Since they don't specify, I'm assuming that it uses the original, non-overlapping calculation. True? Well... it does care

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-10 Thread Bob Camp
of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A I don't understand why you need something like the 537x counters for long-term measurement. The 200 ps resolution of the 5372A gives you a noise floor of about 5e-14 @ 4000 seconds. Something like the Pictic II

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A: Thanks

2011-02-10 Thread Bert, VE2ZAZ
To All who have contributed, Your answers have been very informative, and I appreciate the time the people have taken to answer my initial request on the differences between the HP 5372A and 5370A T.I. Counters/Analyzers. The bottom line I get out of this thread is that both are useful to

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A: Thanks

2011-02-10 Thread Pete Lancashire
I second that 1000% Now to figure out whats wrong in the two dead 5370Bs. Glad it is them and not the 72A ! On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Bert, VE2ZAZ ve2...@yahoo.ca wrote: To All who have contributed, Your answers have been very informative, and I appreciate the time the people have

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A: Thanks

2011-02-10 Thread Bob Camp
, not looking for another). Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lancashire Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 4:24 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A: Thanks

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A: Thanks

2011-02-10 Thread Pete Lancashire
...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lancashire Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 4:24 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A: Thanks I second that 1000% Now to figure out whats wrong in the two dead 5370Bs. Glad it is them

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-10 Thread Bob Camp
:04 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A In message 539fb2cd-a764-4825-8932-970d4253b...@rtty.us, Bob Camp writes: The 5371 / 5372 are never going to be as popular as the 5370 in terms of people needing support. They just aren't

[time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-09 Thread Bert, VE2ZAZ
Hi everyone. I own an HP 5370A. I do GPIB and Labview, KE5FX Utilities, DF6JB's Plotter, spreadsheets etc. Always looking to improve my setup... Here is a simple question: Why should I try to get an HP 5372A (or 5371A)? What are the benefits over the 5370A? Worth spending? Thanks in advance,

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 699621.92879...@web112010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com, Bert, VE2ZAZ write s: Here is a simple question: Why should I try to get an HP 5372A (or 5371A)? What are the benefits over the 5370A? Worth spending? Faster measurements (but not quite as precise) and zero dead-time measurements. See for

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Bert, On 09/02/11 19:56, Bert, VE2ZAZ wrote: Hi everyone. I own an HP 5370A. I do GPIB and Labview, KE5FX Utilities, DF6JB's Plotter, spreadsheets etc. Always looking to improve my setup... Here is a simple question: Why should I try to get an HP 5372A (or 5371A)? What are the benefits

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-09 Thread Ed Palmer
If you've got one, it can be hard to justify buying the other unless you have some very specific requirements. There's a lot of overlap between them. I have a 5372A and have wondered if it's worth getting a 5370(A or B). So far, the answer for me is no. Here are a few things that I've used

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-09 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Ed, excellent email. You raise the SNR of this forum! I have tried to measure the CW-12 output myself with phase noise and Allan Deviation equipment, and the constant cycle jumps prevent these from giving sensible results. Both PN and ADEV plots look awful, many orders of magnitude

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-09 Thread Bob Camp
: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 4:14 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A If you've got one, it can be hard to justify buying the other unless you have some very specific requirements. There's a lot of overlap between them. I have

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-09 Thread Ed Palmer
saidj...@aol.com wrote: Hi Ed, excellent email. You raise the SNR of this forum! Thanks Said. It's rare that I have a chance to contribute. Many of these discussions are way over my head, but I'm learning. I have tried to measure the CW-12 output myself with phase noise and Allan

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/02/11 22:14, Ed Palmer wrote: I routinely use the 5372A to make multiple 1 sec. measurements of frequency or time interval and then dump the results via GPIB for analysis. Standard stuff for either the 5370 or 5372 except as mentioned elsewhere, these measurements are made with no dead

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/02/11 22:36, Bob Camp wrote: Hi We really do need a simple app to extend the 5371 and 5372 for longer time ranges. If there's one out there, I've certainly missed it as I've looked around. A very simple way is to trigger measurements regularly (say 10 Hz) and then read-out the

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-09 Thread Ed Palmer
...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Ed Palmer Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 4:14 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A If you've got one, it can be hard to justify buying the other unless you have some

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-09 Thread Ed Palmer
Magnus Danielson wrote: On 09/02/11 22:14, Ed Palmer wrote: I routinely use the 5372A to make multiple 1 sec. measurements of frequency or time interval and then dump the results via GPIB for analysis. Standard stuff for either the 5370 or 5372 except as mentioned elsewhere, these measurements

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A vs. 5370A

2011-02-09 Thread John Miles
Here is a simple question: Why should I try to get an HP 5372A (or 5371A)? What are the benefits over the 5370A? Worth spending? The 5370A/B is nice because its one-shot resolution is better than any other HP/Agilent counter, prior to the release of the 532xxA models a few months ago. Also,