Re: [time-nuts] L1 and L2 frequencies

2015-01-16 Thread Magnus Danielson
Björn, On 01/16/2015 12:01 AM, Björn Gabrielsson wrote: Magnus, I naturally meant with a reasonable price-tag, sorry for being sloppy on that detail, and I do know that there is vendors for those signals. If we had dual or triple frequency receivers below 500 USD things would start to be

Re: [time-nuts] L1 and L2 frequencies

2015-01-16 Thread Li Ang
Hi I have a question about the GPS antenna. Since the GPS signal strength on the ground is about 20db lower than the thermal noise, does the gain of antenna matter? 2015-01-16 7:01 GMT+08:00 Björn Gabrielsson b...@lysator.liu.se: Magnus, If civilian receivers where to implement L2C and L5

Re: [time-nuts] L1 and L2 frequencies

2015-01-16 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/16/15 4:58 AM, Li Ang wrote: Hi I have a question about the GPS antenna. Since the GPS signal strength on the ground is about 20db lower than the thermal noise, does the gain of antenna matter? Not a whole lot.. Obviously, you don't want something -10dBi, and there is a direct effect

Re: [time-nuts] L1 and L2 frequencies

2015-01-16 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, Well, if you can avoid reception from ground you avoid both handling reflexes as well as the thermal noise (300K vs. 3K). You can't have higher antenna gain, since you want to receive fairly omni-directional above the horizon, with maybe the first 5-10 degrees nulled out. What however

Re: [time-nuts] L1 and L2 frequencies

2015-01-15 Thread Björn Gabrielsson
Brooke, The traditional GPS has C/A and P(Y) on L1 and P(Y) on L2. Most Civilian GPSes only uses C/A. Advanced receivers can also use P(Y) code, since the P-code is known, the hand-off to P code is known and the way that P-code is encrypted into Y-code is known (XOR with another code,

Re: [time-nuts] L1 and L2 frequencies

2015-01-15 Thread Magnus Danielson
Björn, On 01/15/2015 07:55 PM, Björn Gabrielsson wrote: Brooke, The traditional GPS has C/A and P(Y) on L1 and P(Y) on L2. Most Civilian GPSes only uses C/A. Advanced receivers can also use P(Y) code, since the P-code is known, the hand-off to P code is known and the way that P-code is

Re: [time-nuts] L1 and L2 frequencies

2015-01-15 Thread Björn Gabrielsson
Magnus, If civilian receivers where to implement L2C and L5 which now is becoming common, they would gain quite a bit of precision in a similar fashion. For car navigation, the GPS would know which lane you are in. There ARE civilian receivers doing this, and has been for quite some years.

Re: [time-nuts] L1 and L2 frequencies

2015-01-15 Thread Tom Van Baak
If we had dual or tripple frequency receivers below 500 USD things would start to be interesting. If high-volume kits would be just twice as expensive, it would be possible to consider for more luxury models. Hi Magnus, I am currently (but slowly) evaluating about a dozen near identical,

Re: [time-nuts] L1 and L2 frequencies

2015-01-15 Thread Magnus Danielson
Brooke, The traditional GPS has C/A and P(Y) on L1 and P(Y) on L2. Most Civilian GPSes only uses C/A. Advanced receivers can also use P(Y) code, since the P-code is known, the hand-off to P code is known and the way that P-code is encrypted into Y-code is known (XOR with another code, called

Re: [time-nuts] L1 and L2 frequencies

2015-01-14 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Martyn: On each frequency there are a couple or more different codes. The Civilian Acess (C/A) code on the L1 frequency is all public information and so is the most commonly used. But there are classified codes that have a much higher bit rate and allow for more accurate position, time and

Re: [time-nuts] L1 and L2 frequencies

2015-01-14 Thread Martyn Smith
Hello, I have some questions on GPS and GNSS. Do all the civilian GPS receivers only operate on the L1 frequency? Are there any GPS frequency standards out there that use L1 and L2 and that can be purchased by non-military customers? I am playing with the new Lea-M8T receiver. How do I know

Re: [time-nuts] L1 and L2 frequencies

2015-01-14 Thread Tom Van Baak
I have some questions on GPS and GNSS. Note GNSS is the generic word for any satellite based navigation system. GPS is one of GNSS so you don't actually need to say GPS *and* GNSS. Do all the civilian GPS receivers only operate on the L1 frequency? No. All the cheap ones do, though. Are