Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C reception in the UK

2015-07-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org /divdivDatum:2015-07-11 18:00 (GMT+01:00) /divdivTill: time-nuts@febo.com /divdivKopia: mag...@rubidium.se /divdivRubrik: Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C reception in the UK /divdiv /divHi, On 07/11/2015 03:18 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message CAPbEEQJxn

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C reception in the UK

2015-07-11 Thread Björn
hartman k...@hartmans.org /divdivDatum:2015-07-10 22:46 (GMT+01:00) /divdivTill: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com /divdivRubrik: Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C reception in the UK /divdiv /divfrom: http://gpsworld.com/eloran-progresses-toward-gps-back-up-role

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C reception in the UK

2015-07-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message CAPbEEQJxn+R5AvCenfyXjFU=WOjFbYxZd2EC_hX=c6muyev...@mail.gmail.com , ken hartman writes: the European Radio Navigation Plan having twice been drafted but never published. The view seems to bee that the introduction of Galileo will achieve resilient PNT, which it will not.”

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C reception in the UK

2015-07-11 Thread Iain Young
On 10/07/15 21:46, ken hartman wrote: from: http://gpsworld.com/eloran-progresses-toward-gps-back-up-role-in-u-s-europe/ “Both Norway and France have declared an intention to cease Loran transmissions at the end of 2015. Moreover, France intends to dismantle its Loran infrastructure in 2016.

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C reception in the UK

2015-07-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 55a13dab.2030...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: The reason the ERNP wasn't published, was that it concluded that 40% of *all* benefits came from Loran-C, at a yearly cost only a fraction of a single Galileo launch vehicle. Someone should have dreamed up the

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C reception in the UK

2015-07-11 Thread Björn
Did you check the jamming radius?  div Originalmeddelande /divdivFrån: Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org /divdivDatum:2015-07-11 18:00 (GMT+01:00) /divdivTill: time-nuts@febo.com /divdivKopia: mag...@rubidium.se /divdivRubrik: Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C reception

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C reception in the UK

2015-07-11 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On 07/11/2015 03:18 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message CAPbEEQJxn+R5AvCenfyXjFU=WOjFbYxZd2EC_hX=c6muyev...@mail.gmail.com , ken hartman writes: the European Radio Navigation Plan having twice been drafted but never published. The view seems to bee that the introduction of

[time-nuts] LORAN-C reception in the UK

2015-07-10 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
How good/bad would a LORAN-C frequency reference such as the Stanford Research FS700 work in the UK? I live about 60 km to the east of central London. Is there any future for LORAN-C in the UK? I am looking for a frequency reference that is not GPS - I already have a GPS frequency reference but

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C reception in the UK

2015-07-10 Thread Alan Melia
PM Subject: [time-nuts] LORAN-C reception in the UK How good/bad would a LORAN-C frequency reference such as the Stanford Research FS700 work in the UK? I live about 60 km to the east of central London. Is there any future for LORAN-C in the UK? I am looking for a frequency reference

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C reception in the UK

2015-07-10 Thread Iain Young
Hi David On 10/07/15 13:14, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote: How good/bad would a LORAN-C frequency reference such as the Stanford Research FS700 work in the UK? I live about 60 km to the east of central London. My Austron 2100's lock on to Anthorn, Lessay, and Sylt. I'm in

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C reception in the UK

2015-07-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message CANX10hBNdx82BawbHJ-DqbReEb3HH=rc2h4VckHx0Etfb=4...@mail.gmail.com , Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) writes: How good/bad would a LORAN-C frequency reference such as the Stanford Research FS700 work in the UK? I live about 60 km to the east of central London. It

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C reception in the UK

2015-07-10 Thread Wojciech Owczarek
Dave, I'm afraid I can't give you a quantitative answer about LORAN-C, but I can say that eLORAN is your friend. It has recently been revived in the US and it's doing all right in Europe, UK included. The promise in general is 50 ns to UTC. UrsaNav make some receivers and Chronos (who are a big

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C reception in the UK

2015-07-10 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Loran should work fine in the UK as long as the European chains stay up and running. They don’t seem to be at any risk of shutting down at the moment. Bob On Jul 10, 2015, at 8:14 AM, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk wrote: How good/bad would a

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C reception in the UK

2015-07-10 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Dave: The quality of the signal goes down with distance from the transmitter. If you get a sledgehammer sounding signal then you'll get a good time fix, but if you can barely hear the signal then the quality will be poor. Middletown, California to Ukiah, California is strong, but any

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C reception in the UK

2015-07-10 Thread ken hartman
from: http://gpsworld.com/eloran-progresses-toward-gps-back-up-role-in-u-s-europe/ “Both Norway and France have declared an intention to cease Loran transmissions at the end of 2015. Moreover, France intends to dismantle its Loran infrastructure in 2016. Arrangements for the commercial