Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-06 Thread paul swed
-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:30 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM Oh what a detour. It sounds like I may need to build a small loop stick antenna to see

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-05 Thread Chuck Harris
Has anyone thought to ask them what their intentions are? It would seem to me that if they are interested in re-activating enough of the old LORAN-C network to provide time service that they might want to talk to folks that used to rely on LORAN-C for time service... -Chuck Harris Stan, W1LE

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-05 Thread paul swed
Chuck Their interest is indeed a time service as an alternate to GPS. There is no intent to re-activate much of the actual chains its not for the old location service at all. UrsaNav has published several ppts that show what there interests seem to be. I think the key business is selling new rcvrs

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-05 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Paul, I guess my point is, what is the point in firing up the transmitter for hours at a time, using the old coding, if they aren't planning on using the old coding? They could be doing propagation tests, but all of that was worked out 40 years ago and is available in white papers galore.

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-05 Thread J. Forster
http://www.insidegnss.com/node/3361 Paul, I'm not so sure about a big power bill. The average power of a LORAN transmitter is not high. -John === Chuck Their interest is indeed a time service as an alternate to GPS. There is no intent to re-activate much of the actual chains its

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-05 Thread Bill Riches
Hi Paul, I thought I was receiving Wildwood which is 3 miles or so away but apparently not. I nulled out the sig with my LFL1010 loop and get a null about 30 degrees which is toward Boston but maybe it could be Seneca after figuring antenna error and Mag variation. Signal strength with the loop

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-05 Thread Stan, W1LE
at 17:45Z, after 27 hours of continuous lock: freq offset is now -2.1E-12 and has been as low as -7E-13, compared to T'Bolt 10 MHz. Master station is at 59 dB, slave is at 63 dB signal strength. Stan,W1LE Cape Cod On 2/5/2013 12:12 PM, Bill Riches wrote: Hi Paul, I thought I was

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-05 Thread Bill Riches
and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM at 17:45Z, after 27 hours of continuous lock: freq offset is now -2.1E-12 and has been as low as -7E-13, compared to T'Bolt 10 MHz. Master station is at 59 dB, slave is at 63 dB signal strength. Stan,W1LE Cape Cod

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-05 Thread paul swed
Stan in agreement with your figures using a HP3801 as the gps ref. As to the location I don't really have any way to tell the direction. I really have to believe its still the test facility down in NJ. But I have no clue. Regards Paul. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Stan, W1LE

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-05 Thread paul swed
: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM at 17:45Z, after 27 hours of continuous lock: freq offset is now -2.1E-12 and has been as low as -7E-13, compared to T'Bolt 10 MHz. Master station is at 59 dB, slave is at 63 dB signal strength. Stan,W1LE Cape Cod On 2/5/2013 12:12 PM, Bill

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-05 Thread paul swed
...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Stan, W1LE Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:52 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM at 17:45Z, after 27 hours of continuous lock: freq offset

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-05 Thread Thomas S. Knutsen
There seems to be someone thinking that all LORAN-C stations are shut down, and this is not correct. I know first hand from the Eidi and Bø chain, that both are drifted by their host nations, as this responcibility was transfered to them from the USCG in 1995. I beleve most on foregin soil are

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-05 Thread Bill Riches
[mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:16 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM There isn't a way to tell what station it is. Its just the gri rate with a delay

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-05 Thread Bill Riches
of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM There isn't a way to tell what station it is. Its just the gri rate with a delay to the x station. But I assume its the same actual modulator and site. My 2 cents. Regards Paul. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-05 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: Here's a table of US stations back when they were operational with links to Google images of the sites. http://www.prc68.com/I/Loran-c.shtml Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html ___

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-05 Thread Stan, W1LE
Hello Bill, I have no real idea. I can not DF at this time. Antenna is an omni. I suspect the FS700 receiver looks at GRI data and placement within the waveform and goes to a look up table in firmware to tell me the supposed location to the LORAN plan 10 years ago. Only thing that may be

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-05 Thread Bill Riches
time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM Hello Bill, I have no real idea. I can not DF at this time. Antenna is an omni. I suspect the FS700 receiver looks at GRI data and placement within the waveform and goes to a look up table in firmware

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-05 Thread paul swed
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:25 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM Hello Bill, I have no real idea. I can not DF at this time. Antenna is an omni. I suspect the FS700 receiver looks at GRI data

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-05 Thread paul swed
Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Stan, W1LE Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:25 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM Hello Bill, I have

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-05 Thread Bill Riches
-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Stan, W1LE Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:25 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM Hello Bill, I have no real idea. I can not DF at this time. Antenna is an omni. I suspect

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-05 Thread paul swed
-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Stan, W1LE Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:25 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM Hello Bill, I have no real idea. I can not DF at this time. Antenna

[time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-04 Thread Stan, W1LE
Have had lock onto slave Seneca for about 20 minutes on GRI 8970. compared to GPS/DO: phase offset 3.6 degrees, freq offset 6E-11 Stan, W1LE Cape Cod On 2/4/2013 9:48 AM, paul swed wrote: Don't hear LORAN today On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: Hello

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-04 Thread paul swed
Yes indeed they are on the air. Must have had to have the coffee while the solid state finals warmed up. Looks like a 10am start of the day, like banks. Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: Have had lock onto slave Seneca for about 20 minutes on

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-04 Thread paul swed
Stan indeed the srs700is locked and stabilizing. Fired up the austrons also and they are locking. So is the LORAN workday 1000 to 1700 EST?? Or is it a work week 1000 Monday to 1700 Friday? Regards Paul. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:33 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Yes indeed they are

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-04 Thread paul swed
Boy LORAN austron2100 and 2100f and GPS HP3801are tracking really well. The Austrons are 1.5-2.0 E-12. Pretty much getting at there limits after 5 hours. Regards Paul. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:31 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Stan indeed the srs700is locked and stabilizing. Fired

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-04 Thread paul swed
I suspect my software version on the fs700 does not support the 2nd phase menu that allows a longer then 1 sec offset count. Regards Paul. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:44 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Boy LORAN austron2100 and 2100f and GPS HP3801are tracking really well. The Austrons

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-04 Thread J. Forster
Great. Now if the transmissions continue and the format doesn't change! -John == Boy LORAN austron2100 and 2100f and GPS HP3801are tracking really well. The Austrons are 1.5-2.0 E-12. Pretty much getting at there limits after 5 hours. Regards Paul. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-04 Thread paul swed
We can only dream. But will take what I can get for as long as I can get it. It sure in the heck kicks wwvb's capabilities. Regards Paul On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:20 PM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Great. Now if the transmissions continue and the format doesn't change! -John

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-04 Thread Stan, W1LE
After 11:20 hours still tracking and locked to LORAN. Frequency offset compared to my T'Bolt GPS/DO is -2.5E12. Stan W1LE Cape Cod On 2/4/2013 8:56 PM, paul swed wrote: We can only dream. But will take what I can get for as long as I can get it. It sure in the heck kicks wwvb's