Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise and geomagnetism

2014-05-08 Thread iov...@inwind.it
>Da: t...@leapsecond.com >Data: 01/05/2014 8.07 > >Hi Antonio, > >At some level, frequency standards are all affected by every environmental factor Tom, thanks for your comments. There is some geomagnetic activity today May 8, see http://www.swpc.noaa. gov/rt_plots/satenv.html (GOES Hp a

Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise and geomagnetism

2014-05-01 Thread Martin VE3OAT
Hi, Antonio, I regularly note the geomagnetic Kp value when I take part in an FMT but most of the discussion of this takes place on K5CM's FMT-nuts mail list (as far as I know). Fortunately, most FMTs have not coincided with a major storm but there have been a few where some really weird eff

Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise and geomagnetism

2014-04-30 Thread Tom Van Baak
ator, then no worries. If it's more than that, then you get to decide if you want to make your oscillator a better timekeeper or a better sensor. /tvb - Original Message - From: To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 3:28

Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise and geomagnetism

2014-04-30 Thread iov...@inwind.it
Hi all,thanks for your replies.Geomagnetic storms are known to produce easily detectable effects at earth, sometimes dramatic ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859 , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ukQhycKOFw ), sometimes serious (compasses get crazy), sometimes minor (only aurora

Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise and geomagnetism

2014-04-28 Thread Tim Shoppa
It's not exactly a time-nut quality oscillator, but the Earth's Schumann Resonances (circa 7.83 Hz) are perturbed slightly as solar activity changes the effective size of the ionosphere: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 5:18 PM, iov...@inwind.it wrote: >

Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise and geomagnetism

2014-04-28 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Antonio: There's a sheet metal bender up the road from me and one of their customers was HP. The metal had special magnetic properties and was used to shield an HP oscillator, don't remember which one, but maybe one of the Cs units. So for that unit a change in the very small Earth's magne

Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise and geomagnetism

2014-04-28 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Antonio, That is a great question. I am not 100% sure of the answer myself, but I am sure others will chime in. I used to be responsible for an RF lab in which we did a lot of low-noise measurements; had shielded racks, chamber, etc. - I can tell you from experience that anything that can raise

Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise and geomagnetism

2014-04-28 Thread Alan Melia
Alan G3NYK - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 10:18 PM Subject: [time-nuts] Phase noise and geomagnetism As our geomagnetic field gets quite noisy during geomagnetic storms (which are connected to solar activity), I was wondering if this could affect phase noise of o

[time-nuts] Phase noise and geomagnetism

2014-04-28 Thread iov...@inwind.it
As our geomagnetic field gets quite noisy during geomagnetic storms (which are connected to solar activity), I was wondering if this could affect phase noise of oscillators. I see that theoretically it could. Has anybody ever measured phase noise increments which could be explained this way?Anto