Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise and jitter

2008-10-13 Thread Javier Serrano
Said, what is the operating principle of the Wavecrest Jitter Analyzer? Is it a sampling scope like the ones Agilent and Tektronix offer? How does it compare to them? I've googled it but I only found a Chinese site with little information in English. Another advantage I see for time-based measureme

Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise and jitter

2008-10-13 Thread SAIDJACK
Hello John, Javier, you may get bogus numbers when calculating jitter from phase noise measurements with limited bandwidth. For example what about an asyncronous (deterministic jitter) component sitting at 103KHz when you only measure with a 100KHz bandwidth? Depending on the level of th

Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise and jitter

2008-10-13 Thread hasweb
Javier Serrano wrote: > Dear nuts, > > I would like to know if there is a clear explanation somewhere with > considerations on how to choose an upper frequency limit when integrating > phase noise to find jitter. Let's say I'm interested in the raw jitter > measurement which comes from integrating

Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise and jitter

2008-10-13 Thread John Miles
> A high-quality crystal oscillator's broadband floor will be > sufficiently quiet (typically better than -160 dBc/Hz) that it won't > matter > much whether > you integrate out to 100 kHz or to 1 MHz. The difference will be on > the order of attoseconds. Sorry, should have said "femtoseconds" he

Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise and jitter

2008-10-13 Thread John Miles
Javier Serrano wrote: > Dear nuts, > > I would like to know if there is a clear explanation somewhere with > considerations on how to choose an upper frequency limit when > integrating phase noise to find jitter. Let's say I'm interested in > the raw jitter measurement which comes from integrating

[time-nuts] Phase noise and jitter

2008-10-13 Thread Javier Serrano
Dear nuts, I would like to know if there is a clear explanation somewhere with considerations on how to choose an upper frequency limit when integrating phase noise to find jitter. Let's say I'm interested in the raw jitter measurement which comes from integrating phase noise without applying any