[time-nuts] Pitfalls of Digital 'Scopes

2011-06-06 Thread J. Forster
As some of you know, I've been working on restoring a WW II LORAN-A system. To test it, I've been using a Tektronix TDS1002 Digital 'Scope and a Military TS-251 Test Set. First a bit about the LORAN-A signal. It is a precisely timed Master pulse of roughly 2 MHz RF. The spacing of the Master

Re: [time-nuts] Pitfalls of Digital 'Scopes

2011-06-06 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
Offhand, I would suspect undersampling or mistriggering I picked up a Hameg scope with 200 megasamples/sec a few years ago. It saved quite a bit of time when I was putting together a parallel interface between Linux and a Tek storage tube terminal. Push a button and a hard copy pops out of

Re: [time-nuts] Pitfalls of Digital 'Scopes

2011-06-06 Thread Philip Pemberton
On 06/06/11 18:40, J. Forster wrote: IMO, the lesson is that digital scopes do not always accurately depict what a circuit is doing. Even a $50 analog 'scope would never have this issue. Out of idle curiosity, what sampling mode were you using? (ACQUIRE menu on my TDS2024B). In SAMPLE mode,

Re: [time-nuts] Pitfalls of Digital 'Scopes

2011-06-06 Thread Philip Pemberton
On 06/06/11 18:57, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: Offhand, I would suspect undersampling or mistriggering I picked up a Hameg scope with 200 megasamples/sec a few years ago. It saved quite a bit of time when I was putting together a parallel interface between Linux and a Tek storage

Re: [time-nuts] Pitfalls of Digital 'Scopes

2011-06-06 Thread KD0GLS
Aliasing (if that is indeed what's going on) can be a problem with any digital sampling device, including your 'scope. You may find the peak detect function in the acquire menu useful. I assume your TDS1002 has one as my TDS2024 does. Also, perhaps the holdoff function might improve your

Re: [time-nuts] Pitfalls of Digital 'Scopes

2011-06-06 Thread J. Forster
On 06/06/11 18:40, J. Forster wrote: IMO, the lesson is that digital scopes do not always accurately depict what a circuit is doing. Even a $50 analog 'scope would never have this issue. Out of idle curiosity, what sampling mode were you using? (ACQUIRE menu on my TDS2024B). In SAMPLE

Re: [time-nuts] Pitfalls of Digital 'Scopes

2011-06-06 Thread J. Forster
Aliasing (if that is indeed what's going on) can be a problem with any digital sampling device, including your 'scope. Not quite aliasing, I think, but close. You may find the peak detect function in the acquire menu useful. I assume your TDS1002 has one as my TDS2024 does. Also, perhaps

Re: [time-nuts] Pitfalls of Digital 'Scopes

2011-06-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 43ecea5a-3360-43c0-9521-ea8b6598b...@mninter.net, KD0GLS writes: You may find the peak detect function in the acquire menu useful. And be particular careful with the hi-res function (like peak only it averages all the oversampled samples) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since