Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-12 Thread Tom Harris
The eccentric English physicist Boys made quartz fibres by attaching one end to a crossbow bolt, heating the middle and then firing the bolt, at what I have been unable to determine. He used this to measure the gravitational constant by suspending iron spheres from the resultant fibre, which of

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-12 Thread Tom Harris
There is a good writeup of the Dicke switch in Horowitz Hill The Art of Electronics, since Horiwitz is a radioastronomer of note. I've just bought my daughter a copy for Xmas, poor girl, she wants to be an engineer... Tom Harris celephi...@gmail.com On 11 December 2013 13:02, Don Latham

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-12 Thread Brooke Clarke
:Hi Tom: I can't find anything in the Table of Contents or in the index. Can you tell me the page or title of the writeup? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html Tom Harris wrote: There is a good writeup of the Dicke switch in Horowitz

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-12 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/12/13 4:28 PM, Tom Harris wrote: The eccentric English physicist Boys made quartz fibres by attaching one end to a crossbow bolt, heating the middle and then firing the bolt, at what I have been unable to determine. He used this to measure the gravitational constant by suspending iron

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-12 Thread Tom Harris
It's in the section on lock in amplifiers I think. The switch has a clever 3 way action I think but I can't quire remember how it works. I do remember thinking how ingenious it was at the time, since I was designing lock in amplifiers for detecting optical absorbance over 10cm path lengths using

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-12 Thread Don Latham
Jim Lux The very one... Don Was that the same Boys who invented the Boys camera used to take lightning photographs? It's a sort of rotating drum streak camera. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements (Brooke Clarke)

2013-12-11 Thread DaveH
-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of johncr...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 19:57 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements (Brooke Clarke) It is not surprising that one can find little about Alfred Loomis. He was notoriously publicity shy

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message d82c3cbd5688ab036d49d2d32515a859.squir...@webmail.montana.com, Do n Latham writes: I think if I were to start designing, I'd use a quartz rod instead, I'd go for SiC, like they did for the optics bench in the GAIA satellite -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 82901.1386754...@critter.freebsd.dk, Poul-Henning Kamp writes: In message d82c3cbd5688ab036d49d2d32515a859.squir...@webmail.montana.com, Do n Latham writes: I think if I were to start designing, I'd use a quartz rod instead, I'd go for SiC, like they did for the optics bench in the

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements (Brooke Clarke)

2013-12-11 Thread paul swed
19:57 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements (Brooke Clarke) It is not surprising that one can find little about Alfred Loomis. He was notoriously publicity shy and never gave interviews. Before his death he had much of research material

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-11 Thread Tom Van Baak
Here's a well-written introduction to time frequency article. Both a good overview for any newcomer to the group and some addition photos and recent information for the rest of us: Time - the SI Base Unit Second, by Andreas Bauch (PTB, 2012)

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread Bill Hawkins
time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements Hi Tom: The way I read the comment about detecting the influence of the Moon was that it was discovered in 1984, but I was under the impression that Loomis found it long before. I looked on other Wiki pages

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread Bill Hawkins
] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 9:54 AM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: RE: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements Here's a specific reference from 1931: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1931MNRAS..91..575B Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread Ed, k1ggi
'; 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements Sorry, I should have read the article. It was found by asking for Loomis moon pendulum The article is fascinating to Shortt clock fans, but does not mention the moon. Use their page back

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread Tom Knox
...@leapsecond.com Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 18:39:26 -0800 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements Brooke, Not sure what you find in error; please explain. I have all the Shortt info you need. Not all of it is for Wikipedia; contact me off-line. Just got

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread Tom Van Baak
The Wiki page for the Shortt pendulum clock has a Recent Measurements (1984) paragraph that's in error. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortt-Synchronome_clock#Recent_accuracy_measurement While it's probably true that the clock is stable to 200 uS per day (i.e. 2E-9) I believe Alfred

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
One could try claiming that Loomis was the first to make detailed measurements of a Shortt, but it would take some digging to prove he was first and not just one of the first. Just FYI: During my reading of BSTJ I noticed a reference to a paper by Loomis and Marrington at bottom of p4:

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread Brian, WA1ZMS
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements The Wiki page for the Shortt pendulum clock has a Recent Measurements (1984) paragraph that's in error. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortt-Synchronome_clock#Recent_accuracy_

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread Don Latham
Baak Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 5:48 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements The Wiki page for the Shortt pendulum clock has a Recent Measurements (1984) paragraph that's in error. http://en.wikipedia.org

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread paul swed
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Tom Van Baak Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 5:48 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Tom: Here's a web page that has an annotated list of some patents applicable to pendulums: http://www.prc68.com/I/Pendulums.shtml Many of the early gravity meters were just pendulums, then came the falling corner reflectors. There are a couple of patents by Dicke and this one: 3036465

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread Don Latham
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 5:48 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements The Wiki page for the Shortt pendulum clock has a Recent Measurements (1984) paragraph that's in error. http://en.wikipedia.org

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread Don Latham
Brooke Clarke PS When I was working in microwave electronics we talked about the Dicke radiometer, but I haven't found any definitive web page about that. Gotta look at Radio Astronomy pages and history. Actually, Dicke was using that radiometer to look for the microwave cosmic background,

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements (Brooke Clarke)

2013-12-10 Thread johncroos
It is not surprising that one can find little about Alfred Loomis. He was notoriously publicity shy and never gave interviews. Before his death he had much of research material disposed of. However the private lab he created at Tuxedo Park NY. was a gathering place for all of the key scientists

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/10/13 5:57 PM, Don Latham wrote: I always thought invar was the magic metal. Quartz rod? You can get those at some reasonable cost? 12 mm dia fused qtz, about $10 per ft, so under $40 to get going, assuming 4 or 5 to learn how to do it right. It does break... 12.7 mm dia Invar 1 m long

[time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-09 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: The Wiki page for the Shortt pendulum clock has a Recent Measurements (1984) paragraph that's in error. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortt-Synchronome_clock#Recent_accuracy_measurement While it's probably true that the clock is stable to 200 uS per day (i.e. 2E-9) I believe Alfred Loomis

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-09 Thread Tom Knox
I thought I needed to throw this in the mix. http://www.allanstime.com/Research/Pendulum/index.html Enjoy. Thomas Knox Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 17:02:22 -0800 From: bro...@pacific.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements Hi: The Wiki page

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-09 Thread Tom Van Baak (lab)
Brooke, Not sure what you find in error; please explain. I have all the Shortt info you need. Not all of it is for Wikipedia; contact me off-line. Just got back from the CalTech Time Symposium: http://leapsecond.com/nawcc2013/ The conjecture about tides is explained in great detail here:

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-09 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Tom: The way I read the comment about detecting the influence of the Moon was that it was discovered in 1984, but I was under the impression that Loomis found it long before. I looked on other Wiki pages and did not see on any of the them information about Loomis and the effect of the Moon