Re: [time-nuts] WWVB New Modulation five cent demodulator / carrier regenerator ?

2012-10-25 Thread paul swed
measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WWVB New Modulation five cent demodulator / carrier regenerator ? Jameco had them on sale for 20 cents each so I purchased some. Moved the clock up frequency for 60 Khz and injected the 60Khz

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB New Modulation five cent demodulator / carrier regenerator ?

2012-10-24 Thread Tom Miller
of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WWVB New Modulation five cent demodulator / carrier regenerator ? Jameco had them on sale for 20 cents each so I purchased some. Moved the clock up frequency for 60 Khz

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB New Modulation five cent demodulator / carrier regenerator ?

2012-10-23 Thread Dale J. Robertson
if any of this is really real. Dale NV8U -Original Message- From: paul swed Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:29 PM To: Tom Miller ; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WWVB New Modulation five cent demodulator / carrier regenerator ? I

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB New Modulation five cent demodulator / carrier regenerator ? (Dale J. Robertson)

2012-10-22 Thread johncroos
Dale - To your question re BPSK and DPSK. In both modes the phase shift is 180 degrees. Straight PSK has the issue of determining the 1's from the 0's, at the receiver as there is no phase reference. To avoid this DPSK encodes the the serial data stream prior to the bi-phase modulator. As I

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB New Modulation five cent demodulator / carrier regenerator ?

2012-10-22 Thread Dale J. Robertson
of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WWVB New Modulation five cent demodulator / carrier regenerator ? Jameco had them on sale for 20 cents each so I purchased some. Moved the clock up frequency for 60 Khz and injected the 60Khz BPSK. (I built a simulator) It did not track

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB New Modulation five cent demodulator / carrier regenerator ? (Dale J. Robertson)

2012-10-22 Thread David I. Emery
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 02:16:19AM -0400, johncr...@aol.com wrote: Dale - To your question re BPSK and DPSK. In both modes the phase shift is 180 degrees. Straight PSK has the issue of determining the 1's from the 0's, at the receiver as there is no phase reference. To avoid this DPSK

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB New Modulation five cent demodulator / carrier regenerator ?

2012-10-22 Thread paul swed
myself. I'll probably have mine just toggle the phase every 100 ms initially. Dale -Original Message- From: paul swed Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 11:08 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WWVB New Modulation five cent demodulator

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB New Modulation five cent demodulator / carrier regenerator ?

2012-10-22 Thread Tom Miller
- Original Message - From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WWVB New Modulation five cent demodulator / carrier regenerator ? To switch

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB New Modulation five cent demodulator / carrier regenerator ?

2012-10-22 Thread paul swed
, October 22, 2012 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WWVB New Modulation five cent demodulator / carrier regenerator ? To switch correctly at the zero point I sample the plus of the secondary with a LM339 comparator (only using 1 section) and feed that to a SXB micro running at 40 Mhz. Detect

[time-nuts] WWVB New Modulation five cent demodulator / carrier regenerator ?

2012-10-21 Thread Dale J. Robertson
While looking for other stuff I came across the data sheet for the NXP Semi SAA6579. The chip is a purpose built demodulator for RDS (which utilises a 57 KHz ABPSK subcarrier on FM broadcast that is) used for traffic, song info etc. This chip has an anti-aliasing front end low pass filter and

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB New Modulation five cent demodulator / carrier regenerator ?

2012-10-21 Thread paul swed
Because it use differential BPSK. I have a number of them and was trying it. There is a test pin that might make it useful. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Dale J. Robertson d...@nap-us.com wrote: While looking for other stuff I came across the data sheet for the NXP Semi

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB New Modulation five cent demodulator / carrier regenerator ?

2012-10-21 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Dale: Is it as simple as changing the clock to operate at 60 kHz? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html Dale J. Robertson wrote: While looking for other stuff I came across the data sheet for the NXP Semi SAA6579. The chip is a

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB New Modulation five cent demodulator / carrier regenerator ?

2012-10-21 Thread Dale J. Robertson
Paul, I'm trying to understand your reference to 'differential BPSK' all the RDS references I've looked at indicate a 180 degree phase shift just like WWVB. I'm thinking that differential and antipodal are just different words for the same thing Regards, Dale Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21,

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB New Modulation five cent demodulator / carrier regenerator ?

2012-10-21 Thread paul swed
Jameco had them on sale for 20 cents each so I purchased some. Moved the clock up frequency for 60 Khz and injected the 60Khz BPSK. (I built a simulator) It did not track and in general produced noise. I understand you can use 2 frequencies to drive it and I tried both from synth gens. I was

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB New Modulation five cent demodulator / carrier regenerator ?

2012-10-21 Thread Dale J. Robertson
Paul, Did you move the frequency up by driving it with a function generator or by using a 4.56 or 9.12 MHz crystal? I'm thinking that maybe the quadrature phase lock is accomplished by an internal varacter or some other mechanism for 'pulling' the on-chip oscillator. That wouldn't work if you