Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-07 Thread Steve Rooke
Well, Steve has been experiencing a LOT of after-shocks, some of which are still big enough to move things around and I found I had to grab hold of my cup of tea to stop it shaking onto the floor last night. In fact these after-shocks are still opening up new cracks in roads and causing buildings

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-07 Thread Magnus Danielson
Steve, On 09/07/2010 08:08 AM, Steve Rooke wrote: Well, Steve has been experiencing a LOT of after-shocks, some of which are still big enough to move things around and I found I had to grab hold of my cup of tea to stop it shaking onto the floor last night. In fact these after-shocks are still

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-07 Thread Hal Murray
sar10...@gmail.com said: The mast could have sunk a bit or even this whole area could have done as I live on reclaimed marsh-land. My Mothers 3 year old house looks like it has sunk a bit at one and and risen at the other, ie. it looks like it has tipped slightly as her house is built on a

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-07 Thread Steve Rooke
Magnus, On 7 September 2010 19:49, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Steve, On 09/07/2010 08:08 AM, Steve Rooke wrote: Well, Steve has been experiencing a LOT of after-shocks, some of which are still big enough to move things around and I found I had to grab hold of my cup

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-07 Thread Steve Rooke
I've seen news coverage of that field in Darfield and it's just like a giant has torn each end of the field apart with half of it going one way and the other end going in the opposite direction. There are still new cracks and crevasses opening up each day as the magnitude of the after-shocks are

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-07 Thread Stanley Reynolds
Yes we do need leap-Centimeters for MSL :-D Stanley snip Some bureaucrat adjusted MSL by 1.3m quietly because it would be politically incorrect to admit that the globe was actually warming. We have some idea of how time is adjusted for GPS. Does anyone know how and when MSL is adjusted? I

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-07 Thread jimlux
Steve Rooke wrote: Well, Steve has been experiencing a LOT of after-shocks, some of which are still big enough to move things around and I found I had to grab hold of my cup of tea to stop it shaking onto the floor last night. In fact these after-shocks are still opening up new cracks in roads

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-07 Thread Tom Holmes
, 2010 9:38 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast Tom, Actually the Rohn HDBX towers went up to 64 feet (not counting any pipe used to mount the Beams) free standing as I have one. What happens is the amount of allowed loading

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-07 Thread Steve Rooke
On 8 September 2010 01:23, Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes we do need leap-Centimeters for MSL :-D Pilot to co-pilot: Well the instruments say we should have landed by now... Steve Stanley snip Some bureaucrat adjusted MSL by 1.3m quietly because it would be

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-07 Thread Steve Rooke
On 8 September 2010 01:38, jimlux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: You could easily have a displacement of a meter or more.. The  (M7+) Landers earthquake here in Southern California a few years back had a lateral displacement of 10 meters or so and vertical displacements of a meter. If

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-07 Thread jimlux
Steve Rooke wrote: On 8 September 2010 01:23, Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes we do need leap-Centimeters for MSL :-D Pilot to co-pilot: Well the instruments say we should have landed by now... Steve You forgot the canonical next couple lines in the transcript:

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-06 Thread Thomas A. Frank
On Sep 5, 2010, at 8:01 AM, Steve Rooke wrote: Meant to add, my Z3805 always used to report that the antenna hight was +7.50m (MSL) but now it is saying +6.20 (MSL), if you believe that. Steve That might be something worth investigating. After all, if it's true, that's not a good trend...

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-06 Thread Bill Hawkins
Ah, well, Steve's message didn't appear here. There are several possibilities: Steve's mast really did sink 1.3 metres. His continent really did sink 1.3m. Some bureaucrat adjusted MSL by 1.3m quietly because it would be politically incorrect to admit that the globe was actually warming. We

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-05 Thread Steve Rooke
...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rooke Sent: 03 September 2010 5:32 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast If your nearby houses and obstructions are not high, IE. if the houses there are single

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Steve, On 09/05/2010 10:18 AM, Steve Rooke wrote: On 5 September 2010 04:42, Rob Kimberleyr...@timing-consultants.com wrote: Just a thought, as you are in southern hemisphere, wouldn't you see more birds facing North? Oops! I really meant North. Well spotted that man. My satellite

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-05 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Magnus Danielson wrote: Hi Steve, On 09/05/2010 10:18 AM, Steve Rooke wrote: On 5 September 2010 04:42, Rob Kimberleyr...@timing-consultants.com wrote: Just a thought, as you are in southern hemisphere, wouldn't you see more birds facing North? Oops! I really meant North. Well spotted

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-05 Thread Steve Rooke
On 5 September 2010 22:29, Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz wrote: Magnus Danielson wrote: Hi Steve, On 09/05/2010 10:18 AM, Steve Rooke wrote: On 5 September 2010 04:42, Rob Kimberleyr...@timing-consultants.com  wrote: Just a thought, as you are in southern hemisphere,

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-05 Thread Steve Rooke
Meant to add, my Z3805 always used to report that the antenna hight was +7.50m (MSL) but now it is saying +6.20 (MSL), if you believe that. Steve On 5 September 2010 23:56, Steve Rooke sar10...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 September 2010 22:29, Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz wrote: Magnus

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-04 Thread Rob Kimberley
measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast If your nearby houses and obstructions are not high, IE. if the houses there are single story, you may be able to get away with what I have done. Instead of fixing something on the house, I've attached a couple of antenna to the top of one

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-03 Thread Neville Michie
You could try a box kite, or a tethered balloon. An interesting project would be a computer controlled kite servoed to hold a constant position. Or a sky hook? What about a remote site with a radio or laser link to your QTH? The more ideas that you start with the more likely you will find a

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-03 Thread Steve Rooke
On 3 September 2010 20:48, Neville Michie namic...@gmail.com wrote: You could try a box kite, or a tethered balloon. An interesting project would be a computer controlled kite servoed to hold a constant position. Now that would be be some project. They are actually making generators which

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi With enough output from a laser you could balance it on the beam. Might bother the neighbors for a few (dozen) miles around. Bob On Sep 3, 2010, at 4:48 AM, Neville Michie namic...@gmail.com wrote: You could try a box kite, or a tethered balloon. An interesting project would be a

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-03 Thread J. Forster
I've tried balloons for HF wire antennas. Unless you can get a serious balloon ( several feet in diameter) it's essentially hopeless. -John = You could try a box kite, or a tethered balloon. An interesting project would be a computer controlled kite servoed to hold a

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Same thing is true for kites. I have a couple that you tie off to the hitch on an SUV that will do the trick. Small simple kites won't lift a lot of weight or tolerate a lot of added drag. Bob On Sep 3, 2010, at 11:14 AM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote: I've tried balloons for HF wire

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-03 Thread Tom Holmes
[mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Charles P. Steinmetz Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 1:08 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast Stanley wrote: ROHN 9H50 34 Foot Telescopic TV Wireless Antenna Push Up Mast

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-03 Thread WB6BNQ
-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Charles P. Steinmetz Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 1:08 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast Stanley wrote: ROHN 9H50 34 Foot Telescopic TV Wireless

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-02 Thread Chuck Harris
It may not be a problem where you are, but I should think that lightning might come to mind. Do you really want your GPS antenna up very high? -Chuck Harris Charles P. Steinmetz wrote: I'm curious what the best freestanding mast is for a timing antenna (think Lucent timing antenna or marine

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-02 Thread Stanley Reynolds
ROHN 9H50 34 Foot Telescopic TV Wireless Antenna Push Up Mast http://www.3starinc.com/rohn_telescopic_masts.html I don't know this vendor just the first that came up in google. Stanley   - Original Message From: Charles P. Steinmetz charles_steinm...@lavabit.com To: Discussion of

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-02 Thread Oz-in-DFW
On 9/2/2010 7:46 PM, Charles P. Steinmetz wrote: I'm curious what the best freestanding mast is for a timing antenna (think Lucent timing antenna or marine mushroom GPS antenna -- light and pretty small). The mast would have its highest support at rooftop or chimney-top level, and could

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-02 Thread J. Forster
I was just about to suggest a ham antenna tower. The triangular truss design is very rigid, yet presents low wind loading. I think there are application notes that help with siting and selection. Rohn is a very standard and pretty well respected name in the business. They also have a good

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-02 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There are a lot of chimney mount antenna supports. They should get you up 6 feet above the top of the chimney. Simple to install and pretty cheap. Bob On Sep 2, 2010, at 8:46 PM, Charles P. Steinmetz charles_steinm...@lavabit.com wrote: I'm curious what the best freestanding mast is

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-02 Thread Stanley Reynolds
:25:35 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast I was just about to suggest a ham antenna tower. The triangular truss design is very rigid, yet presents low wind loading. I think there are application notes that help with siting and selection. Rohn is a very standard and pretty well respected

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-02 Thread Stan, W1LE
Hello Charles, Last September I had some roof work done and I had added 2 each 1-1/2 vent pipe penetrations just below the ridge. Now I have a place to add the GPS antenna, either a hockey puck type or a more sophisticated one. The hockey puck was added to a length of PVC conduit to

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-02 Thread Richard W. Solomon
Make sure you are sitting down when you check the shipping charges. 73, Dick, W1KSZ -Original Message- From: Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com Sent: Sep 2, 2010 9:16 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-02 Thread Stanley Reynolds
8:49:24 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast Make sure you are sitting down when you check the shipping charges. 73, Dick, W1KSZ -Original Message- From: Stanley Reynolds stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com Sent: Sep 2, 2010 9:16 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-02 Thread k6rtm
I've a Symmetricom(HP) 58532A antenna on a six foot mast -- T6061 aluminum schedule 40 pipe. Not as cheap as cast schedule 40 from the home store, but a lot lighter! The previous mast was a length of cheezy Radio Shack antenna mast -- thin wall stuff. The mount for the 58532A wanted larger

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-02 Thread Steve Rooke
If your nearby houses and obstructions are not high, IE. if the houses there are single story, you may be able to get away with what I have done. Instead of fixing something on the house, I've attached a couple of antenna to the top of one of my washing line poles in the garden as this faces South

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-02 Thread Heathkid
- From: k6...@comcast.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast I've a Symmetricom(HP) 58532A antenna on a six foot mast -- T6061 aluminum schedule 40 pipe. Not as cheap as cast schedule 40 from the home store, but a lot

Re: [time-nuts] Freestanding mast

2010-09-02 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Stanley wrote: ROHN 9H50 34 Foot Telescopic TV Wireless Antenna Push Up Mast Interesting suggestion. Rohn is well known to me, though I don't typically think of them for things like push-up masts. For those suggesting 6-10' of pipe, at my rooftop I get a reception cone of about 50