Re: [time-nuts] New Years Eve TV countdown

2015-01-01 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Magnus, I strongly suspect that the major cause of time lag in TV programs seen on Digital over-the-air TV is in the TV sets themselves. My evidence for this is observation of simulcast programs that are broadcast in both HD and LD on different channels of the same station. The HD always lag

Re: [time-nuts] New Years Eve TV countdown

2015-01-01 Thread DaveH
31, 2014 23:23 > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] New Years Eve TV countdown > > The local ABC network affiliate WJLA in Washington DC was > approximately 4 > seconds behind WWV in their on-screen countdown clock for New > Year's eve. > The > loc

Re: [time-nuts] New Years Eve TV countdown

2015-01-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi > On Jan 1, 2015, at 12:39 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist > wrote: > > We have DirecTV with some receivers standard > definition and others High Definition. The > delay is considerably greater on the HD version. > Even OTA HD is delayed considerably, as noted > if you try to listen to a footb

Re: [time-nuts] New Years Eve TV countdown

2015-01-01 Thread Richard Solomon
Modern Science at it's best ... Some years ago, before the days of Digital TV, I used to compare an OTA NFL broadcast of a certain game with the cable broadcast of the same game. The difference was striking. So, they improved things, now it's all lousy !! 73 es HNY, Dick, W1KSZ On 1/1/2015 1

Re: [time-nuts] New Years Eve TV countdown

2015-01-01 Thread Magnus Danielson
Chuck, In digital times, the main reason for creating delays is due to the temporal compression of MPEG-2 and MPEG-4. Production quality is either not compressed or JPEG-2000 compressed. If you do not compress at all, delay structure can be similar to that of analog video days. JPEG-2000 typi

Re: [time-nuts] New Years Eve TV countdown

2015-01-01 Thread Joe Leikhim
We have Brighthouse cable here in Central FL and the delay is horrendous. When setting up the DVR recorder integrated in the cable box we have to adjust the start and stop times -/+ 1 minute respectively on a regular basis. The delay is less than a minute, but the adjustment resolution is 1 min

Re: [time-nuts] New Years Eve TV countdown

2015-01-01 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
We have DirecTV with some receivers standard definition and others High Definition. The delay is considerably greater on the HD version. Even OTA HD is delayed considerably, as noted if you try to listen to a football game on the radio while watching. Sometimes you hear "touchdown" before the ba

Re: [time-nuts] New Years Eve TV countdown

2015-01-01 Thread Chuck Harris
It is not that they don't care about time sync, it is that they have to follow the rules of causality. Because the whole digitization, broadcast, and display process of digital TV processes seconds to minutes of material at a time, You cannot make an event show at an exact time unless the event w

Re: [time-nuts] New Years Eve TV countdown

2015-01-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Here in central PA, ABC was almost exactly 10 seconds slow. That’s about 2 seconds longer than the delay in past years. Even with digital and a direct network feed, there are a variable number of buffers in the chain. Bob > On Jan 1, 2015, at 12:17 AM, Daniel Schultz wrote: > > The local

Re: [time-nuts] New Years Eve TV countdown

2015-01-01 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 01 Jan 2015 02:08:04 -0800 Rex wrote: > TV doesn't seem to care about time sync much these days. It also depends > a lot on the path getting to you, Oh, they do. Just ask Magnus :-) The thing is, that video delay in digital systems is hard to keep down with all the intermediate process

Re: [time-nuts] New Years Eve TV countdown

2015-01-01 Thread Rex
TV doesn't seem to care about time sync much these days. It also depends a lot on the path getting to you, I get most of my TV via satellite (Dish network). The receiver I have also can get OTA. I have happened to notice, once, that I had a local channel on two TVs. One was receiving the local

Re: [time-nuts] New Years Eve TV countdown

2014-12-31 Thread David J Taylor
The local ABC network affiliate WJLA in Washington DC was approximately 4 seconds behind WWV in their on-screen countdown clock for New Year's eve. The local NBC affiliate's clock was about 8 seconds late when I checked them at two minutes before midnight. Happy New Year! Dan Schultz N8FGV