Re: [time-nuts] Surface Mount OCXO Questions

2013-10-31 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The control voltage on the 12 V OCXO is likely 0-10V or 0-5V. The tune on the 3.3V part isn’t going to be above 3.3V and it may be 0-2.5V. The 3.3V part is going to be at least 8X more sensitive to grounding issues. To put this in perspective, you can see a change on a normal 12V part

Re: [time-nuts] Surface Mount OCXO Questions

2013-10-31 Thread Jim Lux
On 10/31/13 4:02 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The control voltage on the 12 V OCXO is likely 0-10V or 0-5V. The tune on the 3.3V part isn’t going to be above 3.3V and it may be 0-2.5V. The 3.3V part is going to be at least 8X more sensitive to grounding issues. I've got a BUNCH of VCOs that are

Re: [time-nuts] Surface Mount OCXO Questions

2013-10-31 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Surface Mount OCXO Questions Graham, Good points - yes, I have this part currently in the design: TPS75833KTTT (LDO from TI) - putting another one down (just) for the OCXO isn't a problem. And a nice 12V rail isn't a problem either

Re: [time-nuts] Surface Mount OCXO Questions

2013-10-31 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
, etc.) Bob LaJeunesse From: John C. Westmoreland, P.E. j...@westmorelandengineering.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Surface Mount OCXO

Re: [time-nuts] Surface Mount OCXO Questions

2013-10-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There are a *lot* of SMT OCXO’s out there. A J lead part is SMT, but identical to it’s through hole counterpart. It will mount pretty much same / same…. Bob On Oct 29, 2013, at 10:18 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. j...@westmorelandengineering.com wrote: Hello, I was wondering if I

Re: [time-nuts] Surface Mount OCXO Questions

2013-10-30 Thread Graham / KE9H
John: All SMT OCXO's will either have a recommended PCB footprint in the spec sheet or will refer you to a recommended footprint in another document. Some don't care about a ground plane under the part, some require it with no crossing signals, some require an open thermal hole underneath the

Re: [time-nuts] Surface Mount OCXO Questions

2013-10-30 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Graham and Time Nuts, (thanks for the answers.) I have another question - I am looking at a part from MTI. I wanted to use one of their 3.3V parts. They are telling me to use the 12V part because the 3.3V part can have an issue with ground loops due to the higher current requirements at that

Re: [time-nuts] Surface Mount OCXO Questions

2013-10-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Consider that microvolts matter on the EFC. Unless you have a separate return for the oven current it’s going to be tough to keep everything separate. One might ask “why no separate return”. Well when you design one in, and then go look at people’s layouts - you might as well not have

Re: [time-nuts] Surface Mount OCXO Questions

2013-10-30 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Bob, OK - that makes sense. If you follow good analog/digital layout rules then this may not be a problem. But your point about the EFC sensitivity is well taken. But, that is always a problem. Yes, do a lot of people violate good analog/digital layout rules, especially on the ground planes -

Re: [time-nuts] Surface Mount OCXO Questions

2013-10-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi You may have a good layout on your board, but they have to get the current to that pin / pad somehow. In all likelihood the amps of current through the pad it’s self are going to cause issues. Also remember that the ground is likely an RF return as well. Multiple rules and layout issues all

Re: [time-nuts] Surface Mount OCXO Questions

2013-10-30 Thread Graham / KE9H
John: Look at the ppm (or however they express it) as to the sensitivity of the frequency stability of the OCXO relative to Voltage input. Say the oven power drops from 3 watts to 1 Watt as the oven comes up to temperature. At 3 Volts, relative to 12 Volts, for a given resistance, it is four

Re: [time-nuts] Surface Mount OCXO Questions

2013-10-30 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Graham, Good points - yes, I have this part currently in the design: TPS75833KTTT (LDO from TI) - putting another one down (just) for the OCXO isn't a problem. And a nice 12V rail isn't a problem either since this is for a radio with a nice 12V source. Could I boost the 3.3V rail to 12V or