Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes

2012-05-13 Thread Said Jackson
A radical procedure (short of replacing the Trimble Asic) is to take a brush and brush the pins on the pcb. Hard, but not hard enough to damage the board or the pins. Then clean the pcb with alcohol and compressed air. Trimble uses RoHs solder, which will eventually generate tin whiskers that

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes

2012-05-12 Thread Ed Palmer
. Hope this helps. Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Ed Palmer Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:39 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes Are there multiple

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes

2012-05-12 Thread J. L. Trantham
of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes Joe, Interesting tests. So, in your previous problem, loss of -12V caused loss of communication while in your recent tests, you didn't lose communication, regardless of whether the -12V failure was open or grounded

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes

2012-05-12 Thread Robert Atkinson
...@sasktel.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, 12 May 2012, 8:01 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes Joe, Interesting tests. So, in your previous problem, loss of -12V caused loss of communication while in your recent tests, you didn't

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes

2012-05-12 Thread shalimr9
Ooops, thanks for the correction... Then I assume that if the voltage is too low for the negative reference headroom, severe stability problems could result. Didier KO4BB --Original Message-- From: Mark Sims Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com To: Time-Nuts ReplyTo: Time-Nuts Subject:

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes

2012-05-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I have never fully traced out the DAC on the TBolt. I have gone far enough to see that it's a sum of several sort of circuit. My guess is that they sum and then measure the result with a good ADC. If so, the DAC would likely function fine as long as the ADC was not impacted by the loss of

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes

2012-05-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 05/12/2012 03:37 PM, Mark Sims wrote: It sounds like the -12V supply is used to generate the DAC low voltage reference. If it is floating, the DAC output will be unstable. If it is at a solid voltage, the DAC output will be stable. The standard EFC range for a tbolt is -5V to +5V,

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes

2012-05-12 Thread bg
Thanks everyone! On 05/12/2012 03:37 PM, Mark Sims wrote: It sounds like the -12V supply is used to generate the DAC low voltage reference. If it is floating, the DAC output will be unstable. If it is at a solid voltage, the DAC output will be stable. The standard EFC range for a tbolt

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes

2012-05-12 Thread J. L. Trantham
Today I 'failed' the -12 V supply again and got screen captures of the TBoltMon GUI with the TBolt operating normally, -12V failed short and -12V failed open. I used a 5372A referenced to a Z3816A to measure the 10 MHz output frequency of the TBolt for normal operation followed by -12V failed

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes

2012-05-11 Thread shalimr9
-boun...@febo.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 21:29:06 To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'time-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes I had a failure of my -12 V supply

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes

2012-05-11 Thread Ed Palmer
- From: J. L. Tranthamjlt...@att.net Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 21:29:06 To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'time-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes

2012-05-11 Thread J. L. Trantham
-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Ed Palmer Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:39 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes Are there multiple hardware versions of the Tbolt (other than the Tbolt-E)? My Tbolt

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes

2012-05-09 Thread J. L. Trantham
: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 5:33 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes Hi Magnus, On 05/08/2012 11:58 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The first thing to check is the soldering job on the DB-9 connector. Second thing to check is the RS-232

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes

2012-05-08 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The first thing to check is the soldering job on the DB-9 connector. Second thing to check is the RS-232 level translator IC. (RS-232 in should create TTL etc) Bob On May 8, 2012, at 5:52 PM, b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: Hi group! Just got a few Thunderbolts. It is a few PN 39448-61 and

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes

2012-05-08 Thread bg
Hi Bob, The DB-9 looks fine even with magnifying glass. The good one has a MAX232EWE IC, the faulty has a TC232EOE. I see RS232-level coming in at pin 13 and going inside the Tbolt at pin 12 (ttl level).So there should be no problem there. Have also swapped PSU board, so the problem is inside

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes

2012-05-08 Thread Azelio Boriani
Agreed, the CPU is not working... check the 3.6864MHz crystal under the CPU. If it is possible to locate the reset signal... On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:23 AM, b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: Hi Bob, The DB-9 looks fine even with magnifying glass. The good one has a MAX232EWE IC, the faulty has a

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes

2012-05-08 Thread bg
Hi Magnus, On 05/08/2012 11:58 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The first thing to check is the soldering job on the DB-9 connector. Second thing to check is the RS-232 level translator IC. (RS-232 in should create TTL etc) Does not explain why the OCXO remains stuck as if it was untrained. I

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes

2012-05-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 05/09/2012 12:23 AM, b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: Hi Bob, The DB-9 looks fine even with magnifying glass. The good one has a MAX232EWE IC, the faulty has a TC232EOE. I see RS232-level coming in at pin 13 and going inside the Tbolt at pin 12 (ttl level).So there should be no problem there.

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes

2012-05-08 Thread bg
Agreed, the CPU is not working... check the 3.6864MHz crystal under the CPU. If it is possible to locate the reset signal... Time to get some sleep... I found the crystal. It is not easily probeable when mounted on the PSU board. Also the power rail has to short pins to accept the external 3

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes

2012-05-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 05/09/2012 12:33 AM, b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: Hi Magnus, On 05/08/2012 11:58 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The first thing to check is the soldering job on the DB-9 connector. Second thing to check is the RS-232 level translator IC. (RS-232 in should create TTL etc) Does not explain why the

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes

2012-05-08 Thread Azelio Boriani
Here in Europe the time now is late night, anyway there is also U15: a LinearTechnolgy LT2105 or LTC2105 but I can't find nothing... maybe it a marking code and not the actual part number. Maybe a linear regulator, google says LT2105-5.0 but on the Linear site it doesn't exist. On Wed, May 9,

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes

2012-05-08 Thread Azelio Boriani
No, it is an LT1021DCS8-5 5V precision voltage reference. Not a voltage regulator, should be the refernce for the OCXO DAC. On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:49 AM, Azelio Boriani azelio.bori...@screen.itwrote: Here in Europe the time now is late night, anyway there is also U15: a LinearTechnolgy

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes

2012-05-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 05/09/2012 12:49 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: Here in Europe the time now is late night, anyway there is also U15: a LinearTechnolgy LT2105 or LTC2105 but I can't find nothing... maybe it a marking code and not the actual part number. Maybe a linear regulator, google says LT2105-5.0 but on the

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt failure modes

2012-05-08 Thread J. L. Trantham
I had a failure of my -12 V supply that interrupted communications that was resolved by fixing the -12 V supply. You might want to make sure you are getting the -12 V supply in the unit. I suspect your 24 V supply provides power to an internal supply that generates +12, +5 and -12 V. Might want