Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-11 Thread swingbyte
On 11/05/2012 00:44, b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: Hi Tim, The answer is NO. Even though decent accuracy can be had with long averaging. It was discussed a few years ago on this list. -- Björn Hi all, Hope this isn't too chat roomy, however, I have need of a survey precise geolocation type

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-11 Thread Chuck Harris
Go to your local building and planning commission, and get yourself a copy of the topographical map for your address. They are cheap, and are the standard by which everyone (insurance, zoning, ...) determines your flood plane exposure. -Chuck Harris ... Well that's disappointing! I need to

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-11 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/11/12 5:23 AM, swingbyte wrote: s disappointing! I need to measure the height of my house floor to be above the flood plane contour. I might have a look at some dted from work. Might have to pay a real surveyor to measure the height datum. Thanks for all the info though guys for that,

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-11 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/11/12 5:54 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: Go to your local building and planning commission, and get yourself a copy of the topographical map for your address. They are cheap, and are the standard by which everyone (insurance, zoning, ...) determines your flood plane exposure. I have been

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-11 Thread Chuck Harris
The FEMA maps didn't exist the last time I did this. I would think it likely that the building and planning commission office for his area would have the appropriate maps, as establishing that the proposed house's location is outside of the the 100 year flood plane, is a necessary check mark in

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-11 Thread Randy D. Hunt
On 5/11/2012 6:46 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 5/11/12 5:23 AM, swingbyte wrote: s disappointing! I need to measure the height of my house floor to be above the flood plane contour. I might have a look at some dted from work. Might have to pay a real surveyor to measure the height datum. Thanks for

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Rob Kimberley
How accurate do you need your height? Remember that height is the least accurate of GPS parameters due to the fact that you rarely have a GPS satellite directly overhead. Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 05/10/2012 02:50 PM, swingbyte wrote: Hi all, Hope this isn't too chat roomy, however, I have need of a survey precise geolocation type gps. I was wondering if the precise timing abilities extend to its precision in position output? I have a thunderbolt and one of those conical white aerials

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread David
Not being able to receive signals from GPS satellites anywhere below the horizon is an even larger problem for vertical accuracy. On Thu, 10 May 2012 13:59:51 +0100, Rob Kimberley robkimber...@btinternet.com wrote: How accurate do you need your height? Remember that height is the least

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 10 May 2012 22:50:15 +1000 swingbyte swingb...@exemail.com.au wrote: Hope this isn't too chat roomy, however, I have need of a survey precise geolocation type gps. I was wondering if the precise timing abilities extend to its precision in position output? I have a thunderbolt and

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/10/12 6:08 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 05/10/2012 02:50 PM, swingbyte wrote: Hi all, Hope this isn't too chat roomy, however, I have need of a survey precise geolocation type gps. I was wondering if the precise timing abilities extend to its precision in position output? I have a

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread mike cook
A man with only one GPS Surveys from different receivers I have. All taken at the same height from prolonged surveys. WGS84 datum. Oncore UT+ A 207,62m Oncore UT+ B 209,24m Z3801A 180,72m Oncore VP A 229,95m TBolt 207.00m Le 10/05/2012

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/10/12 6:42 AM, mike cook wrote: A man with only one GPS Surveys from different receivers I have. All taken at the same height from prolonged surveys. WGS84 datum. Oncore UT+ A 207,62m Oncore UT+ B 209,24m Z3801A 180,72m Oncore VP A 229,95m TBolt 207.00m That's a pretty big

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread mike cook
Le 10/05/2012 15:51, Jim Lux a écrit : On 5/10/12 6:42 AM, mike cook wrote: A man with only one GPS Surveys from different receivers I have. All taken at the same height from prolonged surveys. WGS84 datum. Oncore UT+ A 207,62m Oncore UT+ B 209,24m Z3801A 180,72m Oncore VP A 229,95m

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread bg
Hi Tim, The answer is NO. Even though decent accuracy can be had with long averaging. It was discussed a few years ago on this list. -- Björn Hi all, Hope this isn't too chat roomy, however, I have need of a survey precise geolocation type gps. I was wondering if the precise timing

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Michael Perrett
Not for survey type accuracy (sub-meter, short measurement time). The average (over a 48 hour period) was pretty good (about 1.5 meters, RMS), but the reading over any 1 minute period can be off as much as 3-5 meters, satellite geometry dependent. I Have two units with good antennas, mounted

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread bg
Attilla, On Thu, 10 May 2012 22:50:15 +1000 swingbyte swingb...@exemail.com.au wrote: Hope this isn't too chat roomy, however, I have need of a survey precise geolocation type gps. I was wondering if the precise timing abilities extend to its precision in position output? I have a

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Chris Albertson
There is an error in your quoted text. The author must have though there was a difference between WGS84 and true sea level. No that is not true. If you paper map that you bought from US Gological Survey says WGS84 on it then THAT is the definition of sea level on that map. The altitudes of

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 10 May 2012 17:01:48 +0200 b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2012 22:50:15 +1000 swingbyte swingb...@exemail.com.au wrote: Hope this isn't too chat roomy, however, I have need of a survey precise geolocation type gps. I was wondering if the precise timing abilities

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Chris Albertson
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Arthur Dent golgarfrinc...@yahoo.com wrote: Chris Albertson albertson.chris at gmail.com   I'm not sure what point you're trying to make but it is a fact, as the OP pointed out, that there are differences between the empirical data of 'true elevation' and

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/10/12 7:40 AM, Arthur Dent wrote: I've found significant altitude errors using a GPS and the following quotes found on the internet will explain why. From my experience of hiking in the mountains of New Hampshire an aneroid altimeter will vary with atmospheric pressure about 200 feet for a

Re: [time-nuts] question about Thunderbolt geo acuracy

2012-05-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/10/12 10:46 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: mean sea level is not meaningful any more. What shape is the ocean and what if you live in Kanas? How to extrapolate the ocean level to Kanas? The answer is to use a model of some kind mean sea level, these days, is a name for a particular