Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-21 Thread Steve Rooke
Bob, On 21 June 2010 02:46, Robert Benward rbenw...@verizon.net wrote: Steve, I am a professional engineer, but in this arena I am an amateur.  That is why I'm asking the questions, not to put down, but to understand some of the claims made.  And as I said in one of my previous emails, I've

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-21 Thread Steve Rooke
Nigel, Thanks for letting us have your name. On 21 June 2010 10:05, gandal...@aol.com wrote: Warren Your stock answer of claiming that everyone and his granny is missing  the point is wearing a bit thin, and despite your suggestion I have not missed anything either and that includes John's

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-21 Thread Steve Rooke
On 21 June 2010 10:49, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: No disrespect to you or John intended, but that is a data set of one experiment. We used to call that a High School Proof. What is not said here is that John spent a month testing the TPLL with a variety of different sources just to

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-21 Thread Steve Rooke
On 21 June 2010 11:49, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: If there have been an infinite number of tests done, and all are verified as correct, we have a pretty fair idea that the next test done will also be correct... but the verification is important... without it we cannot know for

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-21 Thread Steve Rooke
There is a fairly detailed block schematic that has been posted, even a photo of the proto BB just to show how simple it is. Perhaps a full component level schematic will surface sometime. I think that the math that is needed to describe this TPLL will have to come from a third-party if that is

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages.. CAN THIS STOP PLEASE

2010-06-21 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Yes, Yes, Yes! Ulrich Bangert Ortholzer Weg 1 D-27243 Gross Ippener Germany Am 21.06.2010 um 18:25 schrieb saidj...@aol.com: CAN THIS FREAKING THREAD STOP PLEASE. Said In a message dated 6/21/2010 05:20:19 Pacific Daylight Time, sar10...@gmail.com writes: Bob, On 21 June 2010

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages.. CAN THIS STOP PLEASE

2010-06-21 Thread Don Latham
Oh, c'mon. I haven't had this much fun since, say, the third grade... Don Ulrich Bangert Yes, Yes, Yes! Ulrich Bangert Ortholzer Weg 1 D-27243 Gross Ippener Germany Am 21.06.2010 um 18:25 schrieb saidj...@aol.com: CAN THIS FREAKING THREAD STOP PLEASE. Said In a message dated

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages.. CAN THIS STOP PLEASE

2010-06-21 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Don, you name it or don't you ? Ulrich Bangert Ortholzer Weg 1 D-27243 Gross Ippener Germany Am 21.06.2010 um 20:04 schrieb Don Latham d...@montana.com: Oh, c'mon. I haven't had this much fun since, say, the third grade... Don Ulrich Bangert Yes, Yes, Yes! Ulrich Bangert Ortholzer

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages.. CAN THIS STOP PLEASE

2010-06-21 Thread Rob Kimberley
No, I'm quite enjoying the spat. It's quite entertaining, and currently beating the football!! (sorry - soccer for you guys across the pond!). Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Don Latham Sent: 21 June 2010

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages.. CAN THIS STOP PLEASE

2010-06-21 Thread asmagal
Sorry, Ours is football, yours is tackle. (Many, many years ago in a QSO with a New Zelander he said: -I'm not head down, you are...) Antonio CT1TE Quoting Rob Kimberley r...@timing-consultants.com: No, I'm quite enjoying the spat. It's quite entertaining, and currently beating the

[time-nuts] crystal oscillators

2010-06-21 Thread Don Latham
I just found this while noodling around. Looks very good, probably known to most of you. Don http://www.am1.us/Papers/U11625%20VIG-TUTORIAL.PDF may have to remove the %20? -- Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument are as significant as experiment, for thence comes

Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators

2010-06-21 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Don wrote: I just found this while noodling around. http://www.am1.us/Papers/U11625%20VIG-TUTORIAL.PDF There is at least one revision -- I have rev. 8.5.2.0, dated January 2004. IIRC, I downloaded it from the IEEE site. Best regards, Charles

Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators

2010-06-21 Thread Robert Benward
Great tutorial, 300 pages worth! Thanks, Bob - Original Message - From: Don Latham d...@montana.com To: time nuts time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 7:46 PM Subject: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators I just found this while noodling around. Looks very good, probably

Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators

2010-06-21 Thread Didier Juges
I have version 8.5.3.6 (January 2007) on my web site (manual pages) that John Vig sent me some time ago, not sure if there is a more recent one... Didier www.ko4bb.com Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless thingy while I do other things... -Original Message-

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages.. CAN THIS STOP PLEASE

2010-06-21 Thread Steve Rooke
On 22 June 2010 04:25, saidj...@aol.com wrote: CAN THIS FREAKING THREAD STOP PLEASE. Use the key marked 'Del' on your keyboard. Steve Said In a message dated 6/21/2010 05:20:19 Pacific Daylight Time, sar10...@gmail.com writes: Bob, On 21 June 2010 23:17,  gandal...@aol.com  wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages.. CAN THIS STOP PLEASE

2010-06-21 Thread Steve Rooke
On 22 June 2010 06:04, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: Oh, c'mon. I haven't had this much fun since, say, the third grade... They're all having fun or they wouldn't keep reading this stuff. Don -- Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument are as significant as