Re: [time-nuts] Isolated input oscilloscopes
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote: A little off topic, but needed for a time-nutty application: 4 channel scope with isolated inputs that is affordable. I have a 2 channel Tek THS730A. The Tek TPS2014 is rather pricey. Does anybody know of something affordable? The TPS2014 is pricey but it is a real pleasure to use. I haven't run across anything as capable and convenient with isolated inputs and four channels. Running on batteries is also much more useful than I expected it to be, -- Henry Hallam ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Data Professionals Press Release
In message 20101212055157.1b3ac11b...@karen.lavabit.com, Charles P. Steinmet z writes: Intellectual property rights do not just evaporate or return to the public domain when a company disappears -- SOMEONE owns them (often someone who bought the assets of the company, perhaps for less than a penny on the dollar). Actually, they do evaporate if nobody defends them. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Software defined spectrum analyzer
Am 12.12.2010 07:43, schrieb Jim Lux: I think it would be possible to build a microwave front end for, say the tentec tapr VNA. A nice quiet synthesized LO, etc I have this one: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VNWA/ excellent to 500 MHz, quite ok to 1300. 12-term calibration, Includes opt. 10, TDR and generates crystal models that work. Size is 1.7 * 4 * 2.5 inch and lives on USB power if you don't need all 4 S-params without manual DUT-reversal. I had of course to add a 10 MHz ref input. regards, Gerhard ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Data Professionals Press Release
I wrote: Intellectual property rights do not just evaporate or return to the public domain when a company disappears -- SOMEONE owns them Poul replied: Actually, they do evaporate if nobody defends them. Yes and no (under US law). If someone openly and notoriously infringes IP rights for a significant period of time, some remedies may be foreclosed if the rights holder does not have a good explanation for not defending them. But a rights holder almost never loses all rights, and the retained rights are often sufficient to make life at least somewhat uncomfortable for the infringer going forward. Furthermore, any such diminution of rights is not automatic -- one can never be certain of it until a controversy arises and a court renders judgment (i.e., you have to pay to see the rights holder's hand, just as in poker), and this is one of the areas of US IP law where there are significant inconsistencies from one case to the next -- so it is very hard for even experienced practitioners to predict outcomes. Best regards, Charles ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] TrueTime DC468 sat clock simulator is working well
Paul, You are welcome to upload your project files to my site. You can also use the Wiki to make a project information page. Let me know if you need any Getting Started help with the Wiki. Didier KO4BB Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:44:56 To: Time-nutstime-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] TrueTime DC468 sat clock simulator is working well Hello to the group. The GOES satellite simulator is packaged and working. The package is a card board box. Good enough for the next week of the test run. I have a business trip so could not put it into a real box. But the system syncs to GPS and then sets the DC468 after about 3 minutes. The dc468 makes sure numbers of sentences are correct before displaying the time. Then I resync on any hour ending in 2. Just a number I picked. You could resync every 10 minutes if you wanted. It simply does not drift a lot over 24 hours, My plan is to let it burn in for the next week. If all is ok will have to put documentation together and then find a home for the information to live at. This will include the two programs that make it all work. The GOES encoder and the 100 Hz clock generator. Regards Paul WB8TSL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Loran DX and Austron 2100
Hello everybody. Does anyone on the northern east coast has been sucessfull in receiving European Loran C chains ? I'm located around Montreal, Québec. If so, what type of antennas you used ? Thanks ! Claude Houde VA2 HDD ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Data Professionals Press Release
In message 20101212110630.e4f6211b...@karen.lavabit.com, Charles P. Steinmet z writes: I wrote: Intellectual property rights do not just evaporate or return to the public domain when a company disappears -- SOMEONE owns them Poul replied: Actually, they do evaporate if nobody defends them. But a rights holder almost never loses all rights, [...] ...provided they can prove that they own them in the first place. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Data Professionals Press Release
But a rights holder almost never loses all rights, [...] Poul wrote: ...provided they can prove that they own them in the first place. Absolutely. As I said, I have no information one way or the other as to whether Data Professionals bought anything from anybody -- and if they did, whether the seller really owned active copyrights, and if so, what exactly they owned and transferred. However, absent any reliable information on that score, one can only speculate -- which doesn't seeem very useful. Best regards, Charles ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Software defined spectrum analyzer
I found the Signal Hound while searching for a baseband analyzer, to be use in phase noise measurements. Don, do you have tried it? maybe using an external low noise ref? Any other member tried it? -- Geraldo Lino de Campos gera...@decampos.net ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] DJVU and PDF
Perry Sandeen wrote: ... I tried the free Open Office but the word processor did not have an un-do function (which I ALWAYS need) that I could find. On the main window frame up at the top: EDIT-UNDO or CTRL-Z In the preferences section, you can set how many levels of undo you wish to allow. Honestly, if you couldn't find that, you didn't even try. -Chuck Harris ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Loran DX and Austron 2100
Good Morning Claude, I am assembling a K9AY terminated loop antenna, pointing to N. Europe. (~30 degrees) Will use a ARR preamplifier at the antenna. I hope to start listening later this month. Some stations to listen for: Lessay, France master on GRI 6731, Soustons France, slave X BO , master on 7001, Jan Mayen, slave X, Berlevag slave Y Sylt, on 7499, Lessay, slave X, Vaerlandet, slave Y Eidi (Ejde) on 9007 master, Jan Mayen slave W,BO slave X, Vaerlandet slave Y From my location on Cape Cod FN41sr, looks like the closest active chain is Eidi with GRI of 9007 Eidi, IP62lh DX of 2900.1 miles Jan Mayen, IQ50pv, 2900.2 miles Lessay, IN99fd at 3274.1 miles Soustons, IN93hr at 3412.4 miles, (6731 GRI) I have not calculated BO, and Berlevag details (7001 GRI) nor for the Sylt chain. A google search on Loran C stations will show a listing of the few active stations with the station details like RF power output and Lat/Long. I have converted Lat/Long to 6 digit grid locator for my ease in LOB and DX calculations with BD2004 software. Sky wave propagation should be possible for the North Atlantic, European, Western Russia, Saudi, and Mediterranean chains. Low likelihood of any ground wave and its better accuracies. I miss my Nantucket Loran-C station and its Cs accuracies. A modern Stanford Research Systems model FS700 Loran C receiver is on hand as the receiver. Stan, W1LE Cape Cod FN41sr On 12/12/2010 8:17 AM, Claude Houde wrote: Hello everybody. Does anyone on the northern east coast has been sucessfull in receiving European Loran C chains ? I'm located around Montreal, Québec. If so, what type of antennas you used ? Thanks ! Claude Houde VA2 HDD ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] TrueTime DC468 sat clock simulator is working well
Everyone thank you for the offers. Really appreciate it. Will email when the documentation and such are complete. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 7:54 AM, shali...@gmail.com wrote: Paul, You are welcome to upload your project files to my site. You can also use the Wiki to make a project information page. Let me know if you need any Getting Started help with the Wiki. Didier KO4BB Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 19:44:56 To: Time-nutstime-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] TrueTime DC468 sat clock simulator is working well Hello to the group. The GOES satellite simulator is packaged and working. The package is a card board box. Good enough for the next week of the test run. I have a business trip so could not put it into a real box. But the system syncs to GPS and then sets the DC468 after about 3 minutes. The dc468 makes sure numbers of sentences are correct before displaying the time. Then I resync on any hour ending in 2. Just a number I picked. You could resync every 10 minutes if you wanted. It simply does not drift a lot over 24 hours, My plan is to let it burn in for the next week. If all is ok will have to put documentation together and then find a home for the information to live at. This will include the two programs that make it all work. The GOES encoder and the 100 Hz clock generator. Regards Paul WB8TSL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Software defined spectrum analyzer
It is pretty impressive for 10 oz of weight. Thats also a reasonable price if you did not have the big iron big power units. Regards On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On Dec 11, 2010, at 10:14 PM, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: Jim: Indeed. I've a very small collection of USB instruments so far, but it's definitely the way of the future for me. I have an older scope from link instruments, the signal hound, and will construct one of the very simple component bridges ( uses a dual op amp and a couple of resistors and the sound card). As I mentioned, there's a good power meter from Mini-circuits, and the ham radio QEX periodical has some designs for a VNA albeit not at microwave frequenies... I think it would be possible to build a microwave front end for, say the tentec tapr VNA. A nice quiet synthesized LO, etc ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Loran DX and Austron 2100
I had picked up the Lessay chain in the summer over night. But it was very unreliable. Have been waiting for winter to try again. I suppose it might be time but business travel will preclude a effort this week. I am off next week so that should be a good chance. My antennas are. Preamplified loran whip 6' off the ground. Was good enough for the summer A 67 foot vertical with many radials 16 X as an alternate. No preamp. Paul WB8TSL Near Boston Ma. On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: Good Morning Claude, I am assembling a K9AY terminated loop antenna, pointing to N. Europe. (~30 degrees) Will use a ARR preamplifier at the antenna. I hope to start listening later this month. Some stations to listen for: Lessay, France master on GRI 6731, Soustons France, slave X BO , master on 7001, Jan Mayen, slave X, Berlevag slave Y Sylt, on 7499, Lessay, slave X, Vaerlandet, slave Y Eidi (Ejde) on 9007 master, Jan Mayen slave W,BO slave X, Vaerlandet slave Y From my location on Cape Cod FN41sr, looks like the closest active chain is Eidi with GRI of 9007 Eidi, IP62lh DX of 2900.1 miles Jan Mayen, IQ50pv, 2900.2 miles Lessay, IN99fd at 3274.1 miles Soustons, IN93hr at 3412.4 miles, (6731 GRI) I have not calculated BO, and Berlevag details (7001 GRI) nor for the Sylt chain. A google search on Loran C stations will show a listing of the few active stations with the station details like RF power output and Lat/Long. I have converted Lat/Long to 6 digit grid locator for my ease in LOB and DX calculations with BD2004 software. Sky wave propagation should be possible for the North Atlantic, European, Western Russia, Saudi, and Mediterranean chains. Low likelihood of any ground wave and its better accuracies. I miss my Nantucket Loran-C station and its Cs accuracies. A modern Stanford Research Systems model FS700 Loran C receiver is on hand as the receiver. Stan, W1LE Cape Cod FN41sr On 12/12/2010 8:17 AM, Claude Houde wrote: Hello everybody. Does anyone on the northern east coast has been sucessfull in receiving European Loran C chains ? I'm located around Montreal, Québec. If so, what type of antennas you used ? Thanks ! Claude Houde VA2 HDD ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Data Professionals Press Release
Actually, Heathkit is not out of business. Check out Heathkit learning systems. -- Sent from ATT Wireless using Mobile Email --Original Message-- From: Charles P. Steinmetz charles_steinm...@lavabit.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010 12:51:53 AM GMT-0500 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Data Professionals Press Release Perry wrote: Considering that the Heath Company has been out of business for say, 30 years or so, this California Business Plan shows that you momma was right in telling you not to ingest illegal substances. I suppose their next bright idea is to buy rights from Ford for the Edsel. Intellectual property rights do not just evaporate or return to the public domain when a company disappears -- SOMEONE owns them (often someone who bought the assets of the company, perhaps for less than a penny on the dollar). I have no idea whether Data Professionals bought anything from anybody -- or if they did, whether the seller really owned active copyrights, and if so, what exactly they owned. There is an infinity of possibilities, and the only certainty would be the judgment of a court deciding a lawsuit. What we appear to have is someone claiming to hold the rights, and threatening enforcement. Folks can either accept the claim, defy the threat and invite a lawsuit, or bring a preemptive action for declaratory relief -- i.e., make Data Professionals prove that they own the rights. Not likely that anyone who wants to host free downloads will undergo the expense of being the test case (but if you are willing, please be our guest -- otherwise, please stop throwing bombs of ignorance). Best regards, Charles ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] (from HP list) Frequency Standards: Basics and Applications
From the HP equipment list, thought it might be of interest here: - Posted by: k6...@aol.com k6...@aol.com k6yaz Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:16 pm (PST) A useful and interesting textbook, Frequency Standards Basics and Applications by Dr. Fritz Riehl, published in 2004, is available on scribd.com for free download. It is 543 pages in length. It is a pure pdf file, not a scanned copy. Stuart Los Angeles, CA - You need a facebook account or a free scribd account to download the pdf. 73 bob k6rtm ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] DJVU and PDF
People _think_ they can't afford a Mac. But the total cost of ownership is actually lower. For example in this case with just the basic software that comes with Mac OSX you can create and edit PDF files, extract the images, cut out and copy the text and so on. PDF is the native display format used by the Mac. You save the cost of Acrobat and Word. Also un-like PCs the Mac retails its value and can be resold after a few years at 50% of what you paid for it. So that $700 Mac costs you only $$350. Back to file formats. PDF allows you to publish documents that are not rasterized. The text files don't have a resolution and will print at the full quality of your output device. DJVU, I think is only suitable for scanned, rasterized documents. On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Perry Sandeen sandee...@yahoo.com wrote: List, I’ve been trying to do a little desktop publishing on the side for 25 years and have learned a lot mostly by trial and lots of errors. I was first multiple sand-bagged by MS. Either going to a new operating system or changing to a newer version of word changed the format of completed documents. (I couldn’t afford a Mac.) When I retired in 2001 I started re-doing service manuals for Boatanchor receivers and related equipment. I found that trying to use DJVU a total PITB. It has become totally obsolete because of lack of support and the quantum leaps in computer technology do not now require minimalist graphics files. Also other well supported competing graphics formats were developed. I had a modest photo-editing program that came with my HP scanner and that worked so-so, but it was free. Then I got a copy of Acrobat 5 after version 6 came out and it expanded by a magnitude of what I was able to do. Besides creating PDF’s, I found I could take a non-encrypted PDF and both extract the pictures and the text separately. For OCR work the program that came with my HP scanner was sufficient. With the $100 Photoshop 6 program I took another quantum leap up for my B/W pictures. Now I can change from lossy compression format to a loss-less one, edit and then when finished go to a more compressed format. Now there are several free or low cost PDF file making programs on the internet. There are also free PDF readers that are quicker, less bloated, and hacker free. So what I do is create my documents in MS word and then convert them to PDF’s. I tried the free Open Office but the word processor did not have an un-do function (which I ALWAYS need) that I could find. So it seems to me that the only cheap practical archival our time nuts ifo is to use the PDF format. Regards, Perrier ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- = Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] (from HP list) Frequency Standards: Basics and Applications
For those who don't have or want a Scribd account (you can't download w/o one), here is a bookstore with links to a free copy: http://www.addebook.com/tech/engineer/frequency-standards-basics-and-applications_3817.html Joe Gray W5JG On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, k6...@comcast.net wrote: From the HP equipment list, thought it might be of interest here: - Posted by: k6...@aol.com k6...@aol.com k6yaz Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:16 pm (PST) A useful and interesting textbook, Frequency Standards Basics and Applications by Dr. Fritz Riehl, published in 2004, is available on scribd.com for free download. It is 543 pages in length. It is a pure pdf file, not a scanned copy. Stuart Los Angeles, CA - You need a facebook account or a free scribd account to download the pdf. 73 bob k6rtm ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] (from HP list) Frequency Standards: Basics and Applications
they put the links below the ads for some stupid reason here are the links: http://mihd.net/x6govu http://rapidshare.com/files/66949321/Frequency_Standards_Basics_and_Applications_3527402306.rar I used the first one sucessfully -Eric On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 1:09 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Seems to just send you to ad links??? On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Joseph Gray jg...@zianet.com wrote: For those who don't have or want a Scribd account (you can't download w/o one), here is a bookstore with links to a free copy: http://www.addebook.com/tech/engineer/frequency-standards-basics-and-applications_3817.html Joe Gray W5JG On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, k6...@comcast.net wrote: From the HP equipment list, thought it might be of interest here: - Posted by: k6...@aol.com k6...@aol.com k6yaz Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:16 pm (PST) A useful and interesting textbook, Frequency Standards Basics and Applications by Dr. Fritz Riehl, published in 2004, is available on scribd.com for free download. It is 543 pages in length. It is a pure pdf file, not a scanned copy. Stuart Los Angeles, CA - You need a facebook account or a free scribd account to download the pdf. 73 bob k6rtm ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- --Eric _ Eric Garner ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] DJVU and PDF
Chris Albertson wrote: People _think_ they can't afford a Mac. But the total cost of ownership is actually lower. For example in this case with just the basic software that comes with Mac OSX you can create and edit PDF files, extract the images, cut out and copy the text and so on. PDF is the native display format used by the Mac. No it isn't. Postscript is the standard internal language. It is also the internal language of Windows, and Linux. PDF's are archives of Postscript, and other graphics files. You save the cost of Acrobat and Word. Also un-like PCs the Mac retails its value and can be resold after a few years at 50% of what you paid for it. So that $700 Mac costs you only $$350. Yawn! You get even more with Linux, and it is free. -Chuck Harris ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] (from HP list) Frequency Standards: Basics and Applications
I get a file deleted error message ??? Perhaps it doesn't like Firefox ?? 73, Dick, W1KSZ -Original Message- From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com Sent: Dec 12, 2010 2:09 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] (from HP list) Frequency Standards: Basics and Applications Seems to just send you to ad links??? On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Joseph Gray jg...@zianet.com wrote: For those who don't have or want a Scribd account (you can't download w/o one), here is a bookstore with links to a free copy: http://www.addebook.com/tech/engineer/frequency-standards-basics-and-applications_3817.html Joe Gray W5JG On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, k6...@comcast.net wrote: From the HP equipment list, thought it might be of interest here: - Posted by: k6...@aol.com k6...@aol.com k6yaz Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:16 pm (PST) A useful and interesting textbook, Frequency Standards Basics and Applications by Dr. Fritz Riehl, published in 2004, is available on scribd.com for free download. It is 543 pages in length. It is a pure pdf file, not a scanned copy. Stuart Los Angeles, CA - You need a facebook account or a free scribd account to download the pdf. 73 bob k6rtm ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] (from HP list) Frequency Standards: Basics and Applications
Try the mihd link. On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Richard W. Solomon w1...@earthlink.netwrote: I get a file deleted error message ??? Perhaps it doesn't like Firefox ?? 73, Dick, W1KSZ -Original Message- From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com Sent: Dec 12, 2010 2:09 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] (from HP list) Frequency Standards: Basics and Applications Seems to just send you to ad links??? On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Joseph Gray jg...@zianet.com wrote: For those who don't have or want a Scribd account (you can't download w/o one), here is a bookstore with links to a free copy: http://www.addebook.com/tech/engineer/frequency-standards-basics-and-applications_3817.html Joe Gray W5JG On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, k6...@comcast.net wrote: From the HP equipment list, thought it might be of interest here: - Posted by: k6...@aol.com k6...@aol.com k6yaz Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:16 pm (PST) A useful and interesting textbook, Frequency Standards Basics and Applications by Dr. Fritz Riehl, published in 2004, is available on scribd.com for free download. It is 543 pages in length. It is a pure pdf file, not a scanned copy. Stuart Los Angeles, CA - You need a facebook account or a free scribd account to download the pdf. 73 bob k6rtm ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] (from HP list) Frequency Standards: Basics and Applications
Try www.n4iqt.com/books I like the first part and the last part the math in the middle is over my head :-) Stanley - Original Message From: Richard W. Solomon w1...@earthlink.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sun, December 12, 2010 4:57:07 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] (from HP list) Frequency Standards: Basics and Applications I get a file deleted error message ??? Perhaps it doesn't like Firefox ?? 73, Dick, W1KSZ -Original Message- From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com Sent: Dec 12, 2010 2:09 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] (from HP list) Frequency Standards: Basics and Applications Seems to just send you to ad links??? On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Joseph Gray jg...@zianet.com wrote: For those who don't have or want a Scribd account (you can't download w/o one), here is a bookstore with links to a free copy: http://www.addebook.com/tech/engineer/frequency-standards-basics-and-applications_3817.html l Joe Gray W5JG On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, k6...@comcast.net wrote: From the HP equipment list, thought it might be of interest here: - Posted by: k6...@aol.com k6...@aol.com k6yaz Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:16 pm (PST) A useful and interesting textbook, Frequency Standards Basics and Applications by Dr. Fritz Riehl, published in 2004, is available on scribd.com for free download. It is 543 pages in length. It is a pure pdf file, not a scanned copy. Stuart Los Angeles, CA - You need a facebook account or a free scribd account to download the pdf. 73 bob k6rtm ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] (from HP list) Frequency Standards: Basics and Applications
try http://mihd.net/x6govu worked for me with firefox. Le 12/12/2010 23:57, Richard W. Solomon a écrit : I get a file deleted error message ??? Perhaps it doesn't like Firefox ?? 73, Dick, W1KSZ -Original Message- From: paul swedpaulsw...@gmail.com Sent: Dec 12, 2010 2:09 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurementtime-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] (from HP list) Frequency Standards: Basics and Applications Seems to just send you to ad links??? On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Joseph Grayjg...@zianet.com wrote: For those who don't have or want a Scribd account (you can't download w/o one), here is a bookstore with links to a free copy: http://www.addebook.com/tech/engineer/frequency-standards-basics-and-applications_3817.html Joe Gray W5JG On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM,k6...@comcast.net wrote: From the HP equipment list, thought it might be of interest here: - Posted by: k6...@aol.com k6...@aol.com k6yaz Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:16 pm (PST) A useful and interesting textbook, Frequency Standards Basics and Applications by Dr. Fritz Riehl, published in 2004, is available on scribd.com for free download. It is 543 pages in length. It is a pure pdf file, not a scanned copy. Stuart Los Angeles, CA - You need a facebook account or a free scribd account to download the pdf. 73 bob k6rtm ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] 3586A HQ Manuals READY
Hi Robert, I just got some time to scan through your latest manuals for the 3586, and they are beautiful! Thank you very much for taking the time and effort to produce such a high quality product. They will be very useful to me. -Chuck Harris Roberto Barrios wrote: Hi, The manuals are ready. I have nothing against DjVu other than that PDF exists, but that's a pretty good enough reason I believe. The Operating manual has been revised so discard the old copy if you got it. The two volumes of the Service Manual are in a single PDF file. Yes it is big, but it allows for the cross references to work so the bookmarks can jump ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] (from HP list) Frequency Standards: Basicsand Applications
Or its a bootleg copy and they were asked to take it down Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Richard W. Solomon w1...@earthlink.net Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:57:07 -0700 (GMT-07:00) To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurementtime-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Richard W. Solomon w1...@earthlink.net, Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] (from HP list) Frequency Standards: Basics and Applications I get a file deleted error message ??? Perhaps it doesn't like Firefox ?? 73, Dick, W1KSZ -Original Message- From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com Sent: Dec 12, 2010 2:09 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] (from HP list) Frequency Standards: Basics and Applications Seems to just send you to ad links??? On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Joseph Gray jg...@zianet.com wrote: For those who don't have or want a Scribd account (you can't download w/o one), here is a bookstore with links to a free copy: http://www.addebook.com/tech/engineer/frequency-standards-basics-and-applications_3817.html Joe Gray W5JG On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, k6...@comcast.net wrote: From the HP equipment list, thought it might be of interest here: - Posted by: k6...@aol.com k6...@aol.com k6yaz Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:16 pm (PST) A useful and interesting textbook, Frequency Standards Basics and Applications by Dr. Fritz Riehl, published in 2004, is available on scribd.com for free download. It is 543 pages in length. It is a pure pdf file, not a scanned copy. Stuart Los Angeles, CA - You need a facebook account or a free scribd account to download the pdf. 73 bob k6rtm ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] DJVU and PDF
At 05:48 PM 12/12/2010, Chuck Harris wrote... Chris Albertson wrote: PDF is the native display format used by the Mac. No it isn't. Postscript is the standard internal language. It is also the internal language of Windows, and Linux. LOL. For someone who presumes to correct others, you should know that *nix predates PostScript/pdf/etc. _Some_ Linux _documentation_ is in encapsulated Postscript (which is different than .pdf), but that is in no way a basis for a claim that it is the standard internal language, which is wrong in many more ways than one. Chris was correct in a way, since .pdf _is_ the native metafile format for recent versions of the Mac OS. Of course, in Windows, it's .wmf (Windows Metafile Format), not .pdf. The closest to a _standard_ internal display language in current OSs might be HTML or XML. .pdf and .wmf are both proprietary, and in no way standards. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] DJVU and PDF
On 12/13/2010 12:33 AM, Mike S wrote: At 05:48 PM 12/12/2010, Chuck Harris wrote... Chris Albertson wrote: PDF is the native display format used by the Mac. No it isn't. Postscript is the standard internal language. It is also the internal language of Windows, and Linux. LOL. For someone who presumes to correct others, you should know that *nix predates PostScript/pdf/etc. _Some_ Linux _documentation_ is in encapsulated Postscript (which is different than .pdf), but that is in no way a basis for a claim that it is the standard internal language, which is wrong in many more ways than one. Chris was correct in a way, since .pdf _is_ the native metafile format for recent versions of the Mac OS. Of course, in Windows, it's .wmf (Windows Metafile Format), not .pdf. The closest to a _standard_ internal display language in current OSs might be HTML or XML. .pdf and .wmf are both proprietary, and in no way standards. PDF is standardized in ISO 32000, hence no longer proprietary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Document_Format But I think this thread is off-topic and gone on long enough. Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] DJVU and PDF
Mike S wrote: At 05:48 PM 12/12/2010, Chuck Harris wrote... Chris Albertson wrote: PDF is the native display format used by the Mac. No it isn't. Postscript is the standard internal language. It is also the internal language of Windows, and Linux. LOL. For someone who presumes to correct others, you should know that *nix predates PostScript/pdf/etc. _Some_ Linux _documentation_ is in encapsulated Postscript (which is different than .pdf), but that is in no way a basis for a claim that it is the standard internal language, which is wrong in many more ways than one. I am quite aware that unix predates Adobe. My use of unix started in 1976 or 1977, which also predates Adobe. It wasn't clear to me that Chris was talking about documentation. I wasn't. Chris was correct in a way, since .pdf _is_ the native metafile format for recent versions of the Mac OS. Of course, in Windows, it's .wmf (Windows Metafile Format), not .pdf. The closest to a _standard_ internal display language in current OSs might be HTML or XML. .pdf and .wmf are both proprietary, and in no way standards. My reference was to outputs from applications level programs. Postscript was adopted by Mac in the mid 1980's as the standard printer output language. Linux did the same in the '90s, taking advantage of the cheaper PS printers. Unless I am mistaken (I will confess that I pay as little attention to windows as possible), windows does (or did) the same thing... using, I believe, embedded postscript. If you want to use a non postscript printer in any of these OS's, you will have to use a program (driver) that renders postscript into whatever the printer likes to see. I shall try to live up to the level of perfection you inspire. -Chuck Harris ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] DJVU and PDF
At 05:48 PM 12/12/2010, Chuck Harris wrote... Postscript is the standard internal language. It is also the internal language of Windows, and Linux. At 07:11 PM 12/12/2010, Chuck Harris wrote... My reference was to outputs from applications level programs. Very strange, then, that you'd reference your claim to an OS. Thanks for pointing it though, as I wasn't aware that X windows used Display Postscript as an underlying technology, let alone Windows and MacOS. You have a lot of work before you, since the web has it all wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_PostScript http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Display_Driver_Model http://www.prepressure.com/pdf/basics/osx_quartz ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] DJVU and PDF
This is not the place for this. -ls- mi...@flatsurface.com (Mike S) wrote: At 05:48 PM 12/12/2010, Chuck Harris wrote... Postscript is the standard internal language. It is also the internal language of Windows, and Linux. At 07:11 PM 12/12/2010, Chuck Harris wrote... My reference was to outputs from applications level programs. Very strange, then, that you'd reference your claim to an OS. Thanks for pointing it though, as I wasn't aware that X windows used Display Postscript as an underlying technology, let alone Windows and MacOS. You have a lot of work before you, since the web has it all wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_PostScript http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Display_Driver_Model http://www.prepressure.com/pdf/basics/osx_quartz ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] (from HP list) Frequency Standards: Basicsand Applications
Thanks for the local copies. they downloaded fine and look like an interesting read. the other sites were quite a problem. Regards On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 6:20 PM, jim...@earthlink.net wrote: Or its a bootleg copy and they were asked to take it down Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Richard W. Solomon w1...@earthlink.net Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:57:07 -0700 (GMT-07:00) To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Richard W. Solomon w1...@earthlink.net, Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] (from HP list) Frequency Standards: Basics and Applications I get a file deleted error message ??? Perhaps it doesn't like Firefox ?? 73, Dick, W1KSZ -Original Message- From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com Sent: Dec 12, 2010 2:09 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] (from HP list) Frequency Standards: Basics and Applications Seems to just send you to ad links??? On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Joseph Gray jg...@zianet.com wrote: For those who don't have or want a Scribd account (you can't download w/o one), here is a bookstore with links to a free copy: http://www.addebook.com/tech/engineer/frequency-standards-basics-and-applications_3817.html Joe Gray W5JG On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, k6...@comcast.net wrote: From the HP equipment list, thought it might be of interest here: - Posted by: k6...@aol.com k6...@aol.com k6yaz Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:16 pm (PST) A useful and interesting textbook, Frequency Standards Basics and Applications by Dr. Fritz Riehl, published in 2004, is available on scribd.com for free download. It is 543 pages in length. It is a pure pdf file, not a scanned copy. Stuart Los Angeles, CA - You need a facebook account or a free scribd account to download the pdf. 73 bob k6rtm ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] (from HP list) Frequency Standards: BasicsandApplications
For sure, The problem was not in the downloading. The real problem was in trying to read the damn thing as it gave my one cell brain a serious headache. BillWB6BNQ paul swed wrote: Thanks for the local copies. they downloaded fine and look like an interesting read. the other sites were quite a problem. Regards On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 6:20 PM, ?jim...@earthlink.net? wrote: ? Or its a bootleg copy and they were asked to take it down ? Sent via BlackBerry by AT?T ? ? -Original Message- ? From: Richard W. Solomon ?w1...@earthlink.net? ? Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com ? Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:57:07 -0700 (GMT-07:00) ? To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement? ? time-n...@febo.com? ? Reply-To: Richard W. Solomon ?w1...@earthlink.net?, ?Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement ??time-n...@febo.com? ? Subject: Re: [time-nuts] (from HP list) Frequency Standards: Basics ?and Applications ? ? I get a file deleted error message ??? ? ? Perhaps it doesn't like Firefox ?? ? ? 73, Dick, W1KSZ ? ? ? -Original Message- ? ?From: paul swed ?paulsw...@gmail.com? ? ?Sent: Dec 12, 2010 2:09 PM ? ?To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement ? ? time-n...@febo.com? ? ?Subject: Re: [time-nuts] (from HP list) Frequency Standards: Basics and ? Applications ? ? ? ?Seems to just send you to ad links??? ? ? ? ?On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Joseph Gray ?jg...@zianet.com? wrote: ? ? ? ?? For those who don't have or want a Scribd account (you can't download ? ?? w/o one), here is a bookstore with links to a free copy: ? ?? ? ?? ? http://www.addebook.com/tech/engineer/frequency-standards-basics-and-applications_3817.html ? ?? ? ?? Joe Gray ? ?? W5JG ? ?? ? ?? On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, ?k6...@comcast.net? wrote: ? ?? ? From the HP equipment list, thought it might be of interest here: ? ?? ? ? ?? ? - ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? Posted by: k6...@aol.com k6...@aol.com k6yaz ? ?? ? Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:16 pm (PST) ? ?? ? A useful and interesting textbook, Frequency Standards Basics and ? ?? Applications by Dr. Fritz Riehl, published in 2004, is available on ? ?? scribd.com for free download. It is 543 pages in length. ? ?? ? ? ?? ? It is a pure pdf file, not a scanned copy. ? ?? ? ? ?? ? Stuart ? ?? ? Los Angeles, CA ? ?? ? ? ?? ? - ? ?? ? ? ?? ? You need a facebook account or a free scribd account to download the ? pdf. ? ?? ? ? ?? ? 73 bob k6rtm ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ___ ? ?? ? time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com ? ?? ? To unsubscribe, go to ? ?? https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ? ?? ? and follow the instructions there. ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ?? ___ ? ?? time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com ? ?? To unsubscribe, go to ? ?? https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ? ?? and follow the instructions there. ? ?? ? ?___ ? ?time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com ? ?To unsubscribe, go to ? https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ? ?and follow the instructions there. ? ? ? ___ ? time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com ? To unsubscribe, go to ? https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ? and follow the instructions there. ? ___ ? time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com ? To unsubscribe, go to ? https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ? and follow the instructions there. ? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] DJVU and PDF
So, once again, there's an extended discussion not even closely related to time. I apologize for getting involved. I can only hope that Mr. Ackerman steps in sooner next time, and is true to his previous words: Cute or fun as they may be, there's no place here for threads that aren't related to precise time and frequency and (closely) related technical subjects. Please take them elsewhere. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Older Lucent GPSDO and Rubidium combo
Hello Bob and the list, Thanks for the reply, I have been trying to set up a good quiet 24 volt supply with adequate current capacity to carry the startup load. I was initially using a small switcher but it didn't have enough moxie to get startup completed it seems. Some of my initial issues were related to that. I'm now using a 24 volt console copier power supply with plenty of current capacity but limited cooling options and I'm working on a linear supply which is functional I just need to get it into a box. Once I get the power supply issue resolved I will get into the unit to figure out where I can go from there. Are you under the impression that the Rb is disciplined also? I had thought that the GPSDO side was disciplined and the Rb was only for holdover, they seem to call it fly-wheeling. They spec 8 hour holdover for the GPSDO and 24 hour holdover for the Rb in the limited info I've been able to snag. I'm still digging for more info. If anyone has pin-outs for the multi-row connector on the back of the OM (oscillator module) drawers I would appreciate it. Thanks Again and 73, Paul On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi It's probably easier to put in a new buffer for the 10 MHz out of the Rb than to mess with what's there. Since the two units work back and forth together, anything that takes out a signal (like the 15 MHz) is likely to at least flag an alarm. More likely it will impact their phase lock / holdover stuff. Lucent never sold those units on the open market as a stand alone product. HP and Trimble did sell their parts and thus had to document / support them. The first stop on the software list for the Z38xx and TBolt parts is the demo software they came with. I know of no similar gui based software for the Lucent parts. Even coming up with a full set of cables to connect them up is a bit of a chore. I'm sure there is indeed data coming out of them. It's bound to be documented somewhere. It may be simple enough that you can eyeball it. Bob On Dec 7, 2010, at 11:59 PM, Paul Cloud wrote: Hello all, I'm a long-time lurker, (read on the web) but only a short time list-member. I purchased a Lucent timing shelf through eBay several months ago. I had long wanted a GPSDO. Indeed, I had missed out on the first wave of HP Z3801A units that were so cheap. I really did not have any need for one but I still wanted it ;) In any case I did purchase this Lucent KS 24019 which puts 15 MHz out with aplomb, but I of course need 10 MHz. I suspect that I can remove the 15 MHz oscillator block and jumper the 10 MHz signal from the rubidium and the GPSDO through to the built-in distribution unit but I would like to see if anyone has any detailed information about these units? In specific I wondered if anyone on the list had modded these units and if so what were the results? Also does anyone know whether there is a way to get information out of them similar to the Trimble T-Bolt, I suspect not. The units that I have are the heat-sink front drawers that slide into the timing tray Rubidium is a KS24019 L102B the GPSDO is a KS 24019 L104C. I have trolled the back catalog of posts to the list on these but see no publicly available source of information. I have found some info on KO4BB's site but most of it seems to pertain to the newer smaller all heat-sink case units. There have in the past been some posts regarding these but I thought that I should introduce myself first and ask for help from the list at large before sending personal emails. I have purchased a T-Bolt in somewhat suspect condition (pieces) but I think that it is now working OK. I do not have any other source to compare it to other than the high stability internal oscillator in my frequency counters, (Racal 1992 and a fully loaded Fluke 1953A). I will check it's output on some of my Tek counters when I get them out of storage. My real interest in this unit is to leave it on all the time as a constant reference source for my service monitor and counters as well as a better calibration source for my test gear. I'm having fun playing with the T-Bolt though and I'm trying to get it gussied-up, ( --you'd never guess I'm an Okie) with a display etc. Thanks in advance and 73, Paul Cloud, KF5CKQ ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] DJVU and PDF
Now, now. Let's play nicely. On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Mike S mi...@flatsurface.com wrote: So, once again, there's an extended discussion not even closely related to time. I apologize for getting involved. I can only hope that Mr. Ackerman steps in sooner next time, and is true to his previous words: Cute or fun as they may be, there's no place here for threads that aren't related to precise time and frequency and (closely) related technical subjects. Please take them elsewhere. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Older Lucent GPSDO and Rubidium combo
Are you under the impression that the Rb is disciplined also? I had thought that the GPSDO side was disciplined and the Rb was only for holdover, they seem to call it fly-wheeling. They spec 8 hour holdover for the GPSDO and 24 hour holdover for the Rb in the limited info I've been able to snag. I'm still digging for more info. Holdover is more than just a single number. I'd expect something like: The PPS will be within X microseconds for Y hours. It might be that there are two sets of specs, one for a crystal and another for a Rb option. I'd expect the Rb option to have smaller X or longer Y. Most Rb units have an adjustment (screwdriver or voltage) to correct for the local magnetic field. If you have that sort of adjustment voltage, you can easily turn it into a GPSDO. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Older Lucent GPSDO and Rubidium combo
Well I suppose that my use of the word spec was incorrect the quote is listed below. OM redundancy The Oscillator Module provides a highly stable timing reference capable of being disciplined from an external source, such as the GPS receiver or network clock. Two versions are available: Rubidium based (OMR), which is capable of running for 24 hrs without an external reference (flywheeling), and Quartz Crystal based (OMQ), which can flywheel for eight hours. The OMR serves as a primary timing reference where high long term accuracy is required. The OMQ can be used as a primary source, where long term drift accuracies are more relaxed or as a secondary (back-up), to be used upon the primary’s failure. The OMR may also be used as secondary if desired, in applications where low cost is not a requirement. I should also state that this is not from actual documentation for the unit that I have. But, it is actual documentation for a system later by some 3 years. Thanks and 73, Paul On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: Are you under the impression that the Rb is disciplined also? I had thought that the GPSDO side was disciplined and the Rb was only for holdover, they seem to call it fly-wheeling. They spec 8 hour holdover for the GPSDO and 24 hour holdover for the Rb in the limited info I've been able to snag. I'm still digging for more info. Holdover is more than just a single number. I'd expect something like: The PPS will be within X microseconds for Y hours. It might be that there are two sets of specs, one for a crystal and another for a Rb option. I'd expect the Rb option to have smaller X or longer Y. Most Rb units have an adjustment (screwdriver or voltage) to correct for the local magnetic field. If you have that sort of adjustment voltage, you can easily turn it into a GPSDO. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Older Lucent GPSDO and Rubidium combo
Oops I found more just as you suspected. Rb RF frequency stability After a minimum of 22 minutes of warm-up at 25° C (77° F), interface circuitry with 0.05-ppm 15-MHz accuracy can be maintained for a minimum of seven years with CTU adjustment of the OM frequency. For temperatures between 0-10° C (32-50° F), a minimum of 26 minutes warm-up is required for frequency stability. It would appear that the Rb is disciplined if I'm reading the above correctly. 73, Paul On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Paul Cloud jpclou...@gmail.com wrote: Well I suppose that my use of the word spec was incorrect the quote is listed below. OM redundancy The Oscillator Module provides a highly stable timing reference capable of being disciplined from an external source, such as the GPS receiver or network clock. Two versions are available: Rubidium based (OMR), which is capable of running for 24 hrs without an external reference (flywheeling), and Quartz Crystal based (OMQ), which can flywheel for eight hours. The OMR serves as a primary timing reference where high long term accuracy is required. The OMQ can be used as a primary source, where long term drift accuracies are more relaxed or as a secondary (back-up), to be used upon the primary’s failure. The OMR may also be used as secondary if desired, in applications where low cost is not a requirement. I should also state that this is not from actual documentation for the unit that I have. But, it is actual documentation for a system later by some 3 years. Thanks and 73, Paul On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: Are you under the impression that the Rb is disciplined also? I had thought that the GPSDO side was disciplined and the Rb was only for holdover, they seem to call it fly-wheeling. They spec 8 hour holdover for the GPSDO and 24 hour holdover for the Rb in the limited info I've been able to snag. I'm still digging for more info. Holdover is more than just a single number. I'd expect something like: The PPS will be within X microseconds for Y hours. It might be that there are two sets of specs, one for a crystal and another for a Rb option. I'd expect the Rb option to have smaller X or longer Y. Most Rb units have an adjustment (screwdriver or voltage) to correct for the local magnetic field. If you have that sort of adjustment voltage, you can easily turn it into a GPSDO. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] DJVU and PDF
It's worth reading the documentation. 1) PDF is now an ISO standard. Adobe created it but as of 2008 it is ISO. 2) Look at the developer documentation for Mac OSX's quartz graphic system. Very loosely, what you do is open a contex and then send PDF drawing comands to it. This can be directed to the screen of a file. The same is true of IOS devices like the iPad or iPod touch. If you are a programmer you basically writte PDF to the glass screen. On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Mike S mi...@flatsurface.com wrote: At 05:48 PM 12/12/2010, Chuck Harris wrote... Chris Albertson wrote: PDF is the native display format used by the Mac. No it isn't. Postscript is the standard internal language. It is also the internal language of Windows, and Linux. LOL. For someone who presumes to correct others, you should know that *nix predates PostScript/pdf/etc. _Some_ Linux _documentation_ is in encapsulated Postscript (which is different than .pdf), but that is in no way a basis for a claim that it is the standard internal language, which is wrong in many more ways than one. Chris was correct in a way, since .pdf _is_ the native metafile format for recent versions of the Mac OS. Of course, in Windows, it's .wmf (Windows Metafile Format), not .pdf. The closest to a _standard_ internal display language in current OSs might be HTML or XML. .pdf and .wmf are both proprietary, and in no way standards. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- = Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
