Re: [time-nuts] SDR GPS

2011-11-25 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 10:36:52 -0500 Bob Paddock bob.padd...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone look at the the one from Parallax that Radio Shack is selling for less than $50? http://www.parallax.com/Store/Sensors/CompassGPS/tabid/173/CategoryID/48/List/0/SortField/0/Level/a/ProductID/644/Default.aspx

Re: [time-nuts] Clocking a PIC16F628A from a Rubidium Standard

2011-11-25 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 09:37:33 -0700 Robert Darlington rdarling...@gmail.com wrote: I've done this but don't remember the detail on the wiring. The data sheet made it clear though. One thing I did notice is that the oscillator seemed to power the chip! If I were doing it again I'd probably

Re: [time-nuts] Clocking a PIC16F628A from a Rubidium Standard

2011-11-25 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 12:05:13 -0700 Kevin Rosenberg ke...@rosenberg.net wrote: Since frequency reference sine wave can exceed Vdd, you want to current limit the external clock. For example, an unterminated TBolt puts out 0-7V Pk-Pk. Atmel, in an app note where they hook up the pins of an AVR

Re: [time-nuts] Clocking a PIC16F628A from a Rubidium Standard

2011-11-25 Thread Kevin Rosenberg
On Nov 25, 2011, at 1:17 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: Using the protection diodes as part of the circuit is bad design practice. In general, I agree completely, Further, I think of operating outside of the datasheet may result in any manner of unspecified behavior. Basically, results while operating

Re: [time-nuts] Clocking a PIC16F628A from a Rubidium Standard

2011-11-25 Thread Attila Kinali
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 02:02:04 -0700 Kevin Rosenberg ke...@rosenberg.net wrote: In this case, the use of the protection diode and the 1 ma limit comes directly from the manufacturer Atmel's App Note AVR182 [1]. That said, I'm cautious even when the manufacturer in an App Note says it's okay,

Re: [time-nuts] DGPS@home

2011-11-25 Thread Azelio Boriani
Yes, if you use statistics then you must be slow or, better, stop and collect data. I think that ionosphere movements that cause errors are slower than robots movements so it is hard to collect enough data for statistics, of course maybe that only two points to average out is better than

Re: [time-nuts] Clocking a PIC16F628A from a Rubidium Standard

2011-11-25 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Attila, In the past 2 years, i've discovered 3 silicon bugs in Atmel chips and two bugs in their documentation. Reporting the silicon bugs resulted in being completely ignored and the documentation bugs were answered with (literally) it's a silicon thing, completely disregarding the fact

Re: [time-nuts] DGPS@home

2011-11-25 Thread Pierpaolo Bernardi
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 06:26, ehydra ehy...@arcor.de wrote: I read that for position accuracy ionospheric effects are the main source for typical single frequency receivers. So looking for DOP would be not helpful because the ionospheric way is for two 'relative' on the same position located

Re: [time-nuts] SDR GPS

2011-11-25 Thread Jim Lux
On 11/24/11 9:33 AM, Collins, Graham wrote: Perhaps not in the same league or with the same gee-whiz appeal as a SDR GPS receiver but how about your own DIY GPS receiver: http://dangerousprototypes.com/2011/11/24/homemade-gps-receiver/ and the authors web page:

Re: [time-nuts] RTC-62421A and GPS

2011-11-25 Thread Azelio Boriani
What about a script that sends data to the TRACKBOX (if the BOX is connected to a PC)? Otherwise a PIC (or anything else of your choice with 2 serial ports) that sends the same data collected from the GPS... On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Joe Leikhim jleik...@leikhim.com wrote: I have a

Re: [time-nuts] Clocking a PIC16F628A from a Rubidium Standard

2011-11-25 Thread Orin Eman
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:17 AM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 12:05:13 -0700 Kevin Rosenberg ke...@rosenberg.net wrote: Since frequency reference sine wave can exceed Vdd, you want to current limit the external clock. For example, an unterminated TBolt puts

[time-nuts] Vectron 217-9043 10MHz OCXO

2011-11-25 Thread Ziggy
While in Florida on business last week, fairly close to Cape Canaveral, I stopped in at the only surplus house I could find: AstroToo in Melbourne. Poking around there, I found several Vectron 217-9043 10MHz OCXO. I could not readily find any info on this model/series at the time of purchase,

Re: [time-nuts] Clocking a PIC16F628A from a Rubidium Standard

2011-11-25 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi, Microchip cerainly condone using input protection diodes of PIC devices as clamps. There are application notes for zero-crossing detection which connect the input to the 115V AC line via a resistor. Note that these are intentional protection diodes, not unavoidable parasitic junctions.

[time-nuts] PC time app

2011-11-25 Thread Don Latham
Just redoing a PC in the shop. Don't know if I've suggested a program called NMEATime to the nuts. I've had this program running on everything from Win2k to Win7, no hitches. It will sync the PC clock to either a GPS or to a network signal, at a chooseable update period. Highly recommended and

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt Monitoring for Pocket PC

2011-11-25 Thread Justin Pinnix
Nuts, A while back, I scored an old Compaq iPaq Pocket PC for cheap at an auction. Recently, I wrote a program for it that reads the time and health information from a Thunderbolt and displays it in real-time. More info available here: http://www.fuzzythinking.com/projects/thunderhead/ I may

Re: [time-nuts] PC time app

2011-11-25 Thread paul swed
Good old nema time. Indeed I started using it on win98 or was it 95?? Way back is the right answer. In fact I have a very old laptop that essentially runs just that program. It also generates time codes. IRIG B as I recall and thats what really made it useful. Good top know they are still around

Re: [time-nuts] PC time app

2011-11-25 Thread Robert Darlington
I have a copy and I like it, however you can just set your system scheduler to update your clock more often. Win 7 is 1x a week out of the box but it's easy enough to set to once every 15 minutes if you want. It's also free.

Re: [time-nuts] PC time app

2011-11-25 Thread Don Latham
Yeah. I just found out that my XP and 7 systems can do this update. Red face! Just goes to show ya. Don Robert Darlington I have a copy and I like it, however you can just set your system scheduler to update your clock more often. Win 7 is 1x a week out of the box but it's easy enough to set

[time-nuts] PC time app

2011-11-25 Thread Mark Sims
If you have a Thunderbolt, Lady Heather will sync your time for free... It can sync the time via a keyboard command (TS) or via command line options on a regular basis, or whenever the system clock and GPS clock differ by a given amount. You can specify the inherent delay between the

Re: [time-nuts] Surplus Sources

2011-11-25 Thread lists
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Re: [time-nuts] PC time app

2011-11-25 Thread David J Taylor
Dunno. Does the NMEA driver work on the Meinberg NTP for Windows? Yes, although from some GPS devices the jitter may be worse than from Internet servers (depending on your connection). Given that NTP is free, works extremely well, is well documented, and can be monitored and managed

Re: [time-nuts] PC time app

2011-11-25 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:24 PM, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Dunno.  Does the NMEA driver work on the Meinberg NTP for Windows? Yes, although from some GPS devices the jitter may be worse than from Internet servers (depending on your connection).  Given that NTP is

Re: [time-nuts] PC time app

2011-11-25 Thread Steve .
I'm curious as to what folks are doing with PC's that require micro second accuracy for days or weeks or what have you. Any examples? Curious, Steve On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:24 PM, David J Taylor

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies - dont' use Electrolytics

2011-11-25 Thread SAIDJACK
Electrolytic caps have an extremely poor lifetime (MTBF). Sanyo on their website state 50K Hrs at 50C. This means only 6250 MTBF hours at 80C for one single cap. MTBF gets worse the more caps are being used of course. I have seen some Panasonic electrolytics state only 2000 hours MTBF at

Re: [time-nuts] PC time app

2011-11-25 Thread David J Taylor
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:24 PM, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Dunno. Does the NMEA driver work on the Meinberg NTP for Windows? Yes, although from some GPS devices the jitter may be worse than from Internet servers (depending on your connection). Given that NTP is

Re: [time-nuts] Clocking a PIC16F628A from a Rubidium Standard

2011-11-25 Thread Steve .
As far as the atmel (avr): Almost all my projects use AVR microcontrollers, Due to the RD nature of my work I've /always/ pushed the envelope. I use data sheets as a guideline and nothing else. Years ago I poked around publically at the avr forum about the idea of exploiting undocumented

Re: [time-nuts] PC time app

2011-11-25 Thread David J Taylor
I'm curious as to what folks are doing with PC's that require micro second accuracy for days or weeks or what have you. Any examples? Curious, Steve I hear of folks measuring time delay of off-air radio signals, where millisecond accuracy is required. Data from multiple receivers in

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies - dont' use Electrolytics

2011-11-25 Thread Chris Albertson
Many of us have seen electronic equipment last longer then one year. Some of use even have still working antiques with old eletro caps. Those short lifetimes assume a worse case, usually with a very high ripple current. IOf you can reduce the ripple the MTBF goes up. One question: How does one

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies - dont' use Electrolytics

2011-11-25 Thread Raj
How about this way: Amplifying capacitance.. (Base/Ground cap * Beta) http://sound.westhost.com/project15.htm One question: How does one avoid using electrolytic caps if you need (say) 1,000uF or even 100uF. Those would be some mighty big film caps.

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies - dont' use Electrolytics

2011-11-25 Thread Steve .
To second the older electronics: I maintain nearly 100 analytical instruments. The old designs(1970-late 80's) are almost all electrolytic caps and none of the caps have ever failed. When I do find a bad cap it's always in a modern design. A high frequency switcher with under rated caps. When i

Re: [time-nuts] PC time app

2011-11-25 Thread Hal Murray
david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk said: Yes, although from some GPS devices the jitter may be worse than from Internet servers (depending on your connection). I've been looking for good, low cost GPS gizmos, preferably with no soldering required. If anybody finds one, please let me/us know. The

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies - dont' use Electrolytics

2011-11-25 Thread gary
At sane temperatures, OSCONs are very good. Who runs their gear hot enough to boil water? http://edc.sanyo.com/pdf/e_oscon.pdf ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] PC time app

2011-11-25 Thread Hal Murray
I'm curious as to what folks are doing with PC's that require micro second accuracy for days or weeks or what have you. Any examples? The obvious one is you can be a real time nut. :) With a good clock, you can measure network delays. The normal way that ntp works is to exchange packets

Re: [time-nuts] PC time app

2011-11-25 Thread David J Taylor
From: Hal Murray Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 6:58 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] PC time app david-taylor said: Yes, although from some GPS devices the jitter may be worse than from Internet servers (depending