Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter

2012-03-07 Thread Rex
There's also a few cars, trucks, emergency vehicles, hand-helds and timing receivers that he didn't bother to mention at all. I suspect most of those would be fixed by complete replacement. (If a full fix is even possible in all situations.) On 3/6/2012 7:37 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: I'm

Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter

2012-03-07 Thread Raj
I'd accept if they replaced the whole worlds GPSes, it is a cheap option as they claim! I'd like the latest model of smart phone too when you are at it L2! Cheers Raj I'm sorry, but Mr. Javad is on crack. A simple WAAS upgrade on a GENERAL AVIATION aircraft already costs about $8000 fully

[time-nuts] military frequency standard pin out??

2012-03-07 Thread Paul A. Cianciolo
Hello Folks, I found in my collection a frequency standard that I acquired mil surplus at one time. The model number of 2N6625-078-4718 internet search yields nothing on this number. The unit is a common looking one , approx. 4 x 3 x 4 with an aluminum cover that comes off. The cover has

Re: [time-nuts] military frequency standard pin out??

2012-03-07 Thread ROLYNN PRECHTL K7DFW
The model number of 2N6625-078-4718 internet search yields nothing on this number. Remove the 2N from the gaggle and you'll have a standard number sequence that Google has some info for you. RP ..._._

[time-nuts] military frequency standard pin out??

2012-03-07 Thread Arthur Dent
Paul A. Cianciolo paulc at snet.net The cover has the layout of the parts.  The connector has 6 coax outputs into a D type connector. + It sounds like the R-1051/URR receiver frequency standard. There is some info on repairing it here:

[time-nuts] USB Interface, legacy Software

2012-03-07 Thread Joe Leikhim
I have a software program, no longer supported, which requires two RS232 serial com port interfaces, one to communicate with a sensor (signal strength collection receiver) and the second to accept serial data from a GPS. The laptop computer I am using has only one RS232 Com port which I must

Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter

2012-03-07 Thread Mike S
On 3/6/2012 10:37 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: I'm sorry, but Mr. Javad is on crack. Yeah right. In what world does he live in? The one in which he's head of the only company who offers GNSS receivers with ... LightSquared Inside. http://javad.com/jgnss/javad/news/pr20110921.html

Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter

2012-03-07 Thread robkimber...@btinternet.com
It's all very squalid! Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter From: Mike S To: time-nuts@febo.com CC: On 3/6/2012 10:37 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: I'm sorry, but Mr. Javad is on crack.

Re: [time-nuts] USB Interface, legacy Software

2012-03-07 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Joe Leikhim jleik...@leikhim.com wrote: I would like to use a Delorme USB type receiver on the USB port. Can anyone recommend a software add on that will make this type receiver appear as a standard RS232 Com port to my software? Unless Delorme makes a driver

Re: [time-nuts] USB Interface, legacy Software

2012-03-07 Thread Bob Camp
Hi My guess is that your software isn't just looking for a serial port. It's also looking for specific strings back from the GPS. Depending on what you attach, it may or may not give you the strings you need. If you are doing timing, a USB interface will be a major headache. Most sensor = usb

Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter

2012-03-07 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The annual sales of GPS devices are around $5B (yes with a B) a year. Let's say that you only replace those sold over the last four years. He's only off by about 1000X *assuming* the new ones are as cheap as the old ones... Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter

2012-03-07 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Rob wrote: Javad got into bed with Lightsquared and now things are not working as planned he is throwing his toys out of the pram. Javad was hoping to profit from making (and/or perhaps licensing the technology to make) retrofit filters. Some would have been paid for by LS (presumably at

Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter

2012-03-07 Thread Don Latham
What a tangled web we weave. . . Don Charles P. Steinmetz Rob wrote: Javad got into bed with Lightsquared and now things are not working as planned he is throwing his toys out of the pram. Javad was hoping to profit from making (and/or perhaps licensing the technology to make) retrofit

Re: [time-nuts] military frequency standard pin out??

2012-03-07 Thread iov...@inwind.it
Ogg: [time-nuts] military frequency standard pin out?? Paul A. Cianciolo paulc at snet.net The cover has the layout of the parts.  The connector has 6 coax outputs into a D type connector. + It sounds like the R-1051/URR receiver frequency standard. There is some info

Re: [time-nuts] military frequency standard pin out??

2012-03-07 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The gotcha here is that frequency standard is a relative term. For what ever reason, these were a high failure item in the R-1051. People talk about seeing large piles of them at repair depots. The replacement contracts often went to outfits that had little experience in the OCXO business.

Re: [time-nuts] military frequency standard pin out??

2012-03-07 Thread Stan, W1LE
Good Morning Paul, Sounds like a very old military unit. Probably 60's vintage. before the 13 digit NSNs. national stock number (NSN) is probably 6625-078-4718. I do not recall what the 2N could mean. a modern NSN would look like 6625-00-078-4718 or 6625-01-078-4718 Stan, W1LE on Cape

Re: [time-nuts] military frequency standard pin out??

2012-03-07 Thread Pete Lancashire
6625-078-4718 - * Frequency Standard Module from R-1051* and RT-618* radios; usable as replacement or adapt to other need where standard is required. Crystal oven with 5 MHz crystal provides 5 MHz sine wave output (approx 1.8V) plus possible non-sine outputs dual 500KHz, 1 10 MHz. Designed

Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter

2012-03-07 Thread SAIDJACK
Sorry for my language, I was quite upset when I read his letter. If it really was trivial and very low cost to upgrade GPS receivers, then he should not worry too much about loosing much revenue. This sounds more like he made major investments in either Lightsquared itself, or into

Re: [time-nuts] military frequency standard pin out??

2012-03-07 Thread Paul A. Cianciolo
Hi Bob, Yes.. that is what I am trying to find out. But I don’t want to chance it till I know for sure what the power requirements are. Thanks for the heads up though, I did not realize the bad rep these had. Paul A. Cianciolo W1VLF http://www.rescueelectronics.com/ Our business computer

Re: [time-nuts] military frequency standard pin out??

2012-03-07 Thread Bill Riches
I used to rebuild these units many years ago and they were quite a good oscillator - these units would be good for a few parts in 10-9 and 10-8. 73, Bill, WA2DVU Paul A. Cianciolo paulc at snet.net The cover has the layout of the parts. The connector has 6 coax outputs into a D type

Re: [time-nuts] military frequency standard pin out??

2012-03-07 Thread Bill Riches
They were dogs though - I worked on mine for repairing 1051 rx - seemed failure rate was more than 50 % - took 2 or three to make a good unit! But when you made one work they were quite accurate considering their age. 73, Bill, WA2DVU Hi Bob, Yes.. that is what I am trying to find out. But

Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter

2012-03-07 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 03/07/2012 07:22 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: Sorry for my language, I was quite upset when I read his letter. If it really was trivial and very low cost to upgrade GPS receivers, then he should not worry too much about loosing much revenue. This sounds more like he made major investments in

Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter

2012-03-07 Thread Tom Holmes
I think it is amusing, and sad at the same time, that Javad claims that his position is the one where technology is losing out to politics. Maybe he thinks the bulk of the population and the FCC really are that stupid and gullible? Did I really just defend those two groups? Tom Holmes, N8ZM Tipp

[time-nuts] Austron 2100 Manual Available

2012-03-07 Thread GandalfG8
Following recent discussions on the partial resurgence, for now anyway, of Loran-C in the US I have uploaded the Austron 2100 Loran-C Timing receiver manual to Rapidshare, with many thanks to Dan Rae who provided the printed original. As with my previous manual uploads this is created from

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2100 Manual Available

2012-03-07 Thread J. Forster
Which manual? 2100F? -John Following recent discussions on the partial resurgence, for now anyway, of Loran-C in the US I have uploaded the Austron 2100 Loran-C Timing receiver manual to Rapidshare, with many thanks to Dan Rae who provided the printed original. As with my

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2100 Manual Available

2012-03-07 Thread GandalfG8
Suck it and see:-) In a message dated 07/03/2012 23:05:52 GMT Standard Time, j...@quikus.com writes: Which manual? 2100F? -John Following recent discussions on the partial resurgence, for now anyway, of Loran-C in the US I have uploaded the Austron 2100 Loran-C Timing

[time-nuts] MicroLogic ML200 Loran-C

2012-03-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
I picked up a MicroLogic ML200 Loran-C a long time ago, and after playing a bit with it, shelved it, as not really usable for time-nuts purposes. Now, during the yearly cleaning of my lab, I dragged it out and powered it up, and it still seems to work, sometimes. I opened it up, and discovered

Re: [time-nuts] MicroLogic ML200 Loran-C

2012-03-07 Thread Azelio Boriani
Found very little googling for this ML200, found only a line in the 1977 Radionavigation Journal... On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 12:36 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dkwrote: I picked up a MicroLogic ML200 Loran-C a long time ago, and after playing a bit with it, shelved it, as not really

Re: [time-nuts] MicroLogic ML200 Loran-C

2012-03-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message cal8xpmoo_arncqvmt65xko5ai7xz2xd1bdxfxm1dnzuruqr...@mail.gmail.com , Azelio Boriani writes: Found very little googling for this ML200, found only a line in the 1977 Radionavigation Journal... Yes, found that too. There's also a report where it was used in van measuring loran-C on

Re: [time-nuts] USB Interface, legacy Software

2012-03-07 Thread Michael Blazer
I've been using Delmore GPS receivers for several years. They have a driver (http://support.delorme.com/questions.php?questionid=24 http://support.delorme.com/questions.php?questionid=24) for Windows that will install it as a standard serial port sending NMEA messages. The older serial

Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter

2012-03-07 Thread Michael Blazer
I read a white paper Javad put out touting their new (and cheaper to build) front end filter. Of course it is patented. So guess where everyone has to go should LS get the green light. Mike On 3/7/2012 12:22 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: Sorry for my language, I was quite upset when I read

Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter

2012-03-07 Thread lists
Filtering is basically what is done by those skilled in the art. I think it would be hard to defend such a patent. Then again, Apple has managed to patent and defend in court the ipad color scheme. -Original Message- From: Michael Blazer mbla...@satx.rr.com Sender:

Re: [time-nuts] MicroLogic ML200 Loran-C

2012-03-07 Thread J. Forster
Last seen, the 4004 chips were much in demand (perhaps by gamers) -John In message cal8xpmoo_arncqvmt65xko5ai7xz2xd1bdxfxm1dnzuruqr...@mail.gmail.com , Azelio Boriani writes: Found very little googling for this ML200, found only a line in the 1977 Radionavigation Journal...

Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter

2012-03-07 Thread Peter Bell
Personally, I would be opposed to LS even if they *did* offer to replace every GPS in the world at their cost. The real issue here is more fundamental - if you are going to allow people to operate high power terrestrial based transmitters in a designated satellite downlink band then what is the

Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter

2012-03-07 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Pete wrote: I suppose you can't really blame LS for trying it on - the real fault lies with the FCC for not shooting the idea down completely when it was first suggested. The regulatory notion is ancillary terrestrial component (ATC). Its original purpose (conceived in the early '90s) was

Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter

2012-03-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/7/12 10:22 AM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: Sorry for my language, I was quite upset when I read his letter. If it really was trivial and very low cost to upgrade GPS receivers, then he should not worry too much about loosing much revenue. This sounds more like he made major investments in

Re: [time-nuts] Loran in the US

2012-03-07 Thread DaveH
Multipath propagation issues? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multipath_propagation We can certainly throw computational power against that wall but I think that this would be an issue for TV stations. AM should be better DaveH -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2100 Manual Available

2012-03-07 Thread David J Taylor
Following recent discussions on the partial resurgence, for now anyway, of Loran-C in the US I have uploaded the Austron 2100 Loran-C Timing receiver manual to Rapidshare, with many thanks to Dan Rae who provided the printed original. [] Regards Nigel GM8PZR My thanks to Dan and Nigel for

Re: [time-nuts] FCC Chair Talks Spectrum, Gets GPS Letter

2012-03-07 Thread Hal Murray
mbla...@satx.rr.com said: I read a white paper Javad put out touting their new (and cheaper to build) front end filter. Of course it is patented. So guess where everyone has to go should LS get the green light. Was that filter included as part of the recent round of testing? Did it

Re: [time-nuts] Loran in the US

2012-03-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Has anybody asked them how good timefreq they're trying to deliver ? I would assume that they are aiming for a backup for GPS in telecom-GPSDO context. If so, frequency stability is priority number one and time is probably just better than 100msec or so -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since

Re: [time-nuts] MicroLogic ML200 Loran-C

2012-03-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 2561.12.6.201.116.1331169308.squir...@popaccts.quikus.com, J. For ster writes: Last seen, the 4004 chips were much in demand (perhaps by gamers) And chip-collectors But they're not leaving that receiver as long as there is smoke in them. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since