Re: [time-nuts] Req: Decent GPS AntennaActive/Passive Recommendation

2013-09-16 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Hello Everyone, Thanks for the feedback - I certainly have a lot to think about. Seems eBay could be a preferred vendor for antennas. I don't need anything too fancy - but I would like something that does OK in wind and rain, I don't have to worry too much about snow at my current location -

Re: [time-nuts] Req: Decent GPS AntennaActive/Passive Recommendation

2013-09-16 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Once the sat's all arrive at the antenna, a fixed delay (in general) does not impact things a lot. The gotcha with the filter is that it's delay is unequal across the GPS band. Doppler puts the sat's all over the place. That gives some more delay than others. Having unequal delay on sats is

Re: [time-nuts] Req: Decent GPS AntennaActive/Passive Recommendation

2013-09-16 Thread David J Taylor
From: Bob Camp Hi Once the sat's all arrive at the antenna, a fixed delay (in general) does not impact things a lot. The gotcha with the filter is that it's delay is unequal across the GPS band. Doppler puts the sat's all over the place. That gives some more delay than others. Having unequal

Re: [time-nuts] Req: Decent GPS AntennaActive/Passive Recommendation

2013-09-16 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/15/13 10:24 PM, David J Taylor wrote: From: Bob Camp Hi All of the ones I've opened up or seen dis-assembled have had the ceramic plate antennas in them. That very much surprised me early on, since I *assumed* they had something fancy inside based on their shape. No argument about the

Re: [time-nuts] Req: Decent GPS AntennaActive/Passive Recommendation

2013-09-16 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/16/13 6:03 AM, David J Taylor wrote: I am thinking about exact time measurement - getting your PPS edge exactly on the nanosecond. People can add in the length of the cable as an offset, so they must also need to enter any delay through any filters, mustn't they? Agreed that for

Re: [time-nuts] Req: Decent GPS AntennaActive/Passive Recommendation

2013-09-16 Thread David J Taylor
From: Jim Lux Of course they would factor all this in. That's why the UNAVCO site has all the phase center locations and delay behavior for the various antennas. === Didn't know about: http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/ANTCAL/ Jim, so thanks for that. David -- SatSignal

[time-nuts] Lightning Strike Site, Latency of AS3935 IRQ output

2013-09-16 Thread Tom Bales
Alan, Well, you shamed me into actually setting it up and measuring the IRQ delay. Amazingly, the delay varies from 25 to 110 milliseconds, depending upon what type of triggering is involved. I did the test using their lightning simulator and measuring the delay between the magnetic pulse the

Re: [time-nuts] Req: Decent GPS AntennaActive/Passive Recommendation

2013-09-16 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Jim wrote: Spectrum regulators know this, of course, and assign adjacent services accordingly. They do? Remember, it was the FCC that came up with the idea of using the Mobile Satellite Service L-band downlink spectrum for terrestrial broadband service in the first place (setting the stage

Re: [time-nuts] Req: Decent GPS AntennaActive/Passive Recommendation

2013-09-16 Thread Björn
Hi Bob, Doppler shift is +-3.5kHz. Bandwidth for the CA signal is ca 2MHz, narrow correlator receivers takes in 10MHz to mitigate multipath errors. So doppler spread is about 1/1000 of the spread spectrum signal. Does the filter delay really change that much with 7kHz total doppler variation?

Re: [time-nuts] Req: Decent GPS AntennaActive/Passive Recommendation

2013-09-16 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Sep 16, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 9/16/13 6:03 AM, David J Taylor wrote: I am thinking about exact time measurement - getting your PPS edge exactly on the nanosecond. People can add in the length of the cable as an offset, so they must also need to

Re: [time-nuts] Lightning Strike Site, Latency of AS3935 IRQ output

2013-09-16 Thread Alan Melia
:-)) sorry Tom I couln't resist the dig but it looks like the result was interesting and a little unexpected ! its always better to measure it yourself, where possible, than rely on datasheets which can sometimes be quite imaginative Well done Alan - Original Message - From: Tom

[time-nuts] Lightning Strike Site, Latency of AS3935 IRQ output

2013-09-16 Thread Mark Sims
The AS3935 chip has a DSP on it that is doing a lot of statistical analysis. It only draws a few microamps, so it's gotta be slow. I'd be VERY surprised if the detection to output timing was even slightly deterministic.

Re: [time-nuts] Req: Decent GPS AntennaActive/Passive Recommendation

2013-09-16 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Hello Everyone, While we're on the subject - not to get too far off on a tangent - I have been doing 'web-research' on this - but can someone recommend a great site or reference for the specifications of the GPS signaling sent down by a GPS satellite? For instance, I learned that PPS for a

[time-nuts] DIY Choke Ring Antennas?

2013-09-16 Thread Bob Stewart
With all the talk about choke rings, and having spent all my pennies elsewhere, I looked around to see if there were any do-it-yourself versions.  I found this one: http://www.mauve.gr/var/DIY_Choke_Ring_GPS_Antenna.htm.  Is it worth the effort, other than as an experiment?  Are there any other

Re: [time-nuts] Lightning Strike Site, Latency of AS3935 IRQ output

2013-09-16 Thread Daniel Mendes
It could be... It' s not hard to add nop's so that the detection always takes the slowest possible time (but deterministic, or near). Em 16/09/2013 20:36, Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com escreveu: The AS3935 chip has a DSP on it that is doing a lot of statistical analysis. It only draws a few

Re: [time-nuts] DIY Choke Ring Antennas?

2013-09-16 Thread Don Latham
I use galvanized stovepipe end caps; they can be cut and soldered. I think the 6 inch is about right for 1520 MHz Don Bob Stewart With all the talk about choke rings, and having spent all my pennies elsewhere, I looked around to see if there were any do-it-yourself versions.  I found this one:

[time-nuts] Fw: DIY Choke Ring Antennas?

2013-09-16 Thread Bob Stewart
This response didn't make it to the list for some reason. Hi Don, Would you care to elaborate?  Remember, I know nothing about this other than what I can read on that guy's site.  I guess I'm looking for ~63mm height?  What part are you talking about soldering?  The seam?  And what do you

Re: [time-nuts] Req: Decent GPS AntennaActive/Passive Recommendation

2013-09-16 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/16/13 6:43 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. wrote: Hello Everyone, While we're on the subject - not to get too far off on a tangent - I have been doing 'web-research' on this - but can someone recommend a great site or reference for the specifications of the GPS signaling sent down by a GPS

Re: [time-nuts] Req: Decent GPS AntennaActive/Passive Recommendation

2013-09-16 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/16/13 9:13 AM, David J Taylor wrote: From: Jim Lux Of course they would factor all this in. That's why the UNAVCO site has all the phase center locations and delay behavior for the various antennas. === Didn't know about: http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/ANTCAL/ For what

Re: [time-nuts] Req: Decent GPS AntennaActive/Passive Recommendation

2013-09-16 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Thanks Jim. Best Regards, John W. On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 9/16/13 6:43 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. wrote: Hello Everyone, While we're on the subject - not to get too far off on a tangent - I have been doing 'web-research' on this - but

Re: [time-nuts] DIY Choke Ring Antennas?

2013-09-16 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/16/13 6:51 PM, Bob Stewart wrote: With all the talk about choke rings, and having spent all my pennies elsewhere, I looked around to see if there were any do-it-yourself versions. I found this one: http://www.mauve.gr/var/DIY_Choke_Ring_GPS_Antenna.htm;. Is it worth the effort, other

Re: [time-nuts] GPS 18x PC/LVC 3.90 (August 28, 2013)

2013-09-16 Thread Kiwi Geoff
David J Taylor wrote: GPS 18x PC/LVC 3.90 (August 28, 2013) Folks, I have received notice of an update to the GPS 18x LVC firmware, which can be downloaded here: http://www8.garmin.com/support/agree.jsp?id=4055 ... Any reports would, I'm sure, be welcome. Thanks for the firmware