Re: [time-nuts] Water on Enceladus - What does this imply about NASA'a ability to measure frequency?

2014-04-04 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX
One needs to know the carrier frequency. Must be a high quality reference for the Cassini transmitter. On 04/03/2014 08:17 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: I just read about a discovery of a liquid water ocean on Saturn's moon Enceladus. The method used was to measure the velocity of a spacecraft

Re: [time-nuts] Water on Enceladus - What does this imply about NASA'a ability to measure frequency?

2014-04-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Back when they were designing this stuff, they were very interested in getting into the parts in 10 to the 15th. They didn’t get there, but that was the desire. Bob On Apr 4, 2014, at 2:17 AM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX c...@omen.com wrote: One needs to know the carrier frequency. Must be a

Re: [time-nuts] Water on Enceladus - What does this imply about NASA'a ability to measure frequency?

2014-04-04 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/3/14 8:17 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: I just read about a discovery of a liquid water ocean on Saturn's moon Enceladus. The method used was to measure the velocity of a spacecraft as it makes a close fly-by. Gravitational anomalies will cause the spacecraft to speed up or slow down as it

Re: [time-nuts] Water on Enceladus - What does this imply about NASA'a ability to measure frequency?

2014-04-04 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/3/14 11:17 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: One needs to know the carrier frequency. Must be a high quality reference for the Cassini transmitter. Two way measurements are most likely here (although Cassini does carry a USO). So the downlink is locked to the uplink which comes from a

[time-nuts] New England Ham - Electronic Flea Market Dates * April * update]

2014-04-04 Thread J. Forster
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Re: [time-nuts] Water on Enceladus - What does this imply about NASA'a ability to measure frequency?

2014-04-04 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/4/14 4:30 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Back when they were designing this stuff, they were very interested in getting into the parts in 10 to the 15th. They didn’t get there, but that was the desire. Roughly that... http://lasp.colorado.edu/~horanyi/graduate_seminar/RSS.pdf is a good

Re: [time-nuts] Water on Enceladus - What does this imply about NASA'a ability to measure frequency?

2014-04-04 Thread Bill Hawkins
Jim, Thanks for sharing the details and preventing this subject from turning into shared ignorance. Bill Hawkins ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow

Re: [time-nuts] Water on Enceladus - What does this imply about NASA'a ability to measure frequency?

2014-04-04 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 4 Apr 2014 08:55, Tom Knox act...@hotmail.com wrote: 90 microns is approx a freq res of about 1 x 3.66 -12 Thomas Knox Since the Doppler shift is prortional to the frequency, I can't see how one can determine the absolute frequency. But given light travels at 3e8 m/s and they can

Re: [time-nuts] Water on Enceladus - What does this imply about NASA'a ability to measure frequency?

2014-04-04 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/4/14 7:39 AM, Bill Hawkins wrote: Jim, Thanks for sharing the details and preventing this subject from turning into shared ignorance. It was working on this kind of thing that led me to time-nuts in the first place.. Deep Space nav is probably one of the most precise measurements made

Re: [time-nuts] Water on Enceladus - What does this imply about NASA'a ability to measure frequency?

2014-04-04 Thread Tom Knox
You are correct. I did most in my head late last night and kind of lost my focus as I was finishing. I was attempting to see roughly what timing accuracy was needed. I meant to end the sentence with a question mark. Thomas Knox Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 13:01:12 +0100 From: drkir...@gmail.com

Re: [time-nuts] Water on Enceladus - What does this imply about NASA'a ability to measure frequency?

2014-04-04 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/4/14 5:01 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: On 4 Apr 2014 08:55, Tom Knox act...@hotmail.com wrote: 90 microns is approx a freq res of about 1 x 3.66 -12 Thomas Knox Since the Doppler shift is prortional to the frequency, I can't see how one can determine the absolute frequency. But

Re: [time-nuts] Water on Enceladus - What does this imply about NASA'a ability to measure frequency?

2014-04-04 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 6:19 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: Radio science and navigation measurements are quite impressive in their accuracy and attention to detail. measuring range to cm (out of a billion km, i.e 1 part in 1E14) and velocity to mm/s is sort of standard. Looks to be

Re: [time-nuts] Water on Enceladus - What does this imply about NASA'a ability to measure frequency?

2014-04-04 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/4/14 9:34 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 6:19 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: Radio science and navigation measurements are quite impressive in their accuracy and attention to detail. measuring range to cm (out of a billion km, i.e 1 part in 1E14) and velocity

Re: [time-nuts] Water on Enceladus - What does this imply about NASA'a ability to measure frequency?

2014-04-04 Thread Alex Pummer
gravitation measurement, particularly gravitation measurement in space is based on the Eotvos -effect see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E%C3%B6tv%C3%B6s_effect and here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lor%C3%A1nd_E%C3%B6tv%C3%B6sand from the begin of the space exploration many space

Re: [time-nuts] Water on Enceladus - What does this imply about NASA'a ability to measure frequency?

2014-04-04 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/4/14 9:58 AM, Alex Pummer wrote: gravitation measurement, particularly gravitation measurement in space is based on the Eotvos -effect see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E%C3%B6tv%C3%B6s_effect and here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lor%C3%A1nd_E%C3%B6tv%C3%B6sand from the begin

[time-nuts] Acam TDC's

2014-04-04 Thread Angus
Hi, With all the recent talk of interpolators, I started looking at the acam TDC chips again - the GP22 is pretty cheap now for anyone who's up for playing with the tiny QFN package. I was wondering if anyone here has tried them or properly evaluated them as a TIC - especially the

Re: [time-nuts] Acam TDC's

2014-04-04 Thread paul swed
Angus An interesting chip. I had never heard of it before and suspect this may be the gizmo used in closed system water leak detection. Won't go into why I know about that. I did find comments from 2007 about the chip and atmega but nothing since. When I went looking for distributors or pricing to

[time-nuts] new GPSDO kit

2014-04-04 Thread SAIDJACK
Hello everyone, sorry for the plug, but we just announced a new $568 complete GPSDO reference kit. This unit is a tiny desktop unit with 10m antenna, power supply, cables, CD, and other accessories. It is a low cost addition to our Fury GPSDO line, and contains a really good TCXO, a

Re: [time-nuts] new GPSDO kit

2014-04-04 Thread Michael Perrett
If you are going to plug the unit re time nuts, how about a price break for said group? Michael On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:39 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: Hello everyone, sorry for the plug, but we just announced a new $568 complete GPSDO reference kit. This unit is a tiny desktop unit with

Re: [time-nuts] new GPSDO kit

2014-04-04 Thread Said Jackson
Michael, I was able to get a $50 Time-Nuts discount from the marketing guys.. Just mention $50 time nuts discount.. Bye, Said Sent From iPhone On Apr 4, 2014, at 15:58, Michael Perrett mkperr...@gmail.com wrote: If you are going to plug the unit re time nuts, how about a price break for

Re: [time-nuts] new GPSDO kit

2014-04-04 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Said: Can you say more about what this means? It generates a low-noise 10MHz signal with typically better than 1E-010 precision and accuracy (0.1ppb) on average Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html saidj...@aol.com wrote: Hello

Re: [time-nuts] new GPSDO kit

2014-04-04 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 4 Apr 2014 23:39, saidj...@aol.com wrote: Hello everyone, sorry for the plug, but we just announced a new $568 complete GPSDO reference kit. Given the low power consumption I assume that this doesn't use an oven. That means if it does lose GPS lock, the frequency is going to drift much

[time-nuts] M12+T module questions

2014-04-04 Thread Jim Miller
Received my M12+T and would like to gather parts to get it running and tested. I've looked through the manual for a battery type description and couldn't find one. Anyone know of a part number for the onboard battery I could reference? Also looking for a mating cable/connector for the 10pin

Re: [time-nuts] new GPSDO kit

2014-04-04 Thread Chris Albertson
Wow. Seriously I was just going to post about my $35 GPSDO. I've used some discipline to not say for just a little more I can get... and gone the lowest cost route at each decision point. Just to see what happens. Price does not include GPS receiver, plug-in power cube and case and I'm not

Re: [time-nuts] new GPSDO kit

2014-04-04 Thread paul swed
I mean no disrespect to anyone here. Jacksonlabs makes some very fine components. Brookes comment was spot on. What happens etc. I did run out to the site and take a quick read. The short piece I read did not have a lot of specifics or I simply missed them. It is low power and thats quite a plus,

[time-nuts] new GPSDO kit

2014-04-04 Thread Mark Sims
Check out the semi-Arduino + OLED LCD that Sparkfun will be selling soon... it's tiny, fairly cheap, and can run on 3.3 to 18 volts. Looks like it will be very useful for a lot of small projects. Unfortunately, the OLED does not appear to have a touch screen.

Re: [time-nuts] M12+T module questions

2014-04-04 Thread KD0GLS
Jim, Can't help you with the on-board battery as my M12+T's were the optional external battery types. But as for the connector, I got both PCB-mount and IDC-type cable assemblies as free samples from Samtec. Can't seem to find the part numbers at the moment but can dig for them if you need.

Re: [time-nuts] new GPSDO kit

2014-04-04 Thread Said Jackson
Hi guys, Let me try to answer the questions. This unit is placed to fill a need for lower cost plug-and-play units than what our Fury offers. The Fury desktop DOCXO sells for around $1700 if I am not mistaken, and literally 100's of them are sold every year. This is not trying to address a

Re: [time-nuts] new GPSDO kit

2014-04-04 Thread Said Jackson
Paul, Forgot to mention, there is a spec sheet on the website on the LC-XO-Plus product page with additional technical details. Bye, Said Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 17:45, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: I mean no disrespect to anyone here. Jacksonlabs makes some very fine

Re: [time-nuts] M12+T module questions

2014-04-04 Thread Chris Albertson
The data connector is a standard 0.05 inch double row of male headers. These are common but not nearly so common as the 0.1 type. I used a 2032 coin cell battery and holder I un-soldered from an dead PC motherboard. Even a coin cell will last its shelf life at least. You will need to level shift

Re: [time-nuts] new GPSDO kit

2014-04-04 Thread KD0GLS
Said, I looked through the literature on your website, but didn't see any pictures of the inside of the unit. I'm curious to see the board and component compliment. Regards, Brent On Apr 4, 2014, at 20:19, Said Jackson saidj...@aol.com wrote: Paul, Forgot to mention, there is a spec

Re: [time-nuts] new GPSDO kit

2014-04-04 Thread Chris Albertson
What will these cost? They will be great for lots and lots of uses but the price determine how that are used. I can buy a 84x48 pixel graphic display for $2.80 shipped. (see ebay 201039107368) and it is very easy to add one of these to a project. I'm kind of stuck on an input device, a 12 key

Re: [time-nuts] new GPSDO kit

2014-04-04 Thread Said Jackson
Hi Brent, I guess thats a trade secret until you buy one :) Bye, Said Sent From iPhone On Apr 4, 2014, at 18:50, KD0GLS kd0...@mninter.net wrote: Said, I looked through the literature on your website, but didn't see any pictures of the inside of the unit. I'm curious to see the board and

Re: [time-nuts] M12+T module questions

2014-04-04 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/4/14 6:51 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: The data connector is a standard 0.05 inch double row of male headers. These are common but not nearly so common as the 0.1 type. I used a 2032 coin cell battery and holder I un-soldered from an dead PC motherboard. Even a coin cell will last its shelf

Re: [time-nuts] new GPSDO kit

2014-04-04 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/4/14 5:45 PM, paul swed wrote: I mean no disrespect to anyone here. Jacksonlabs makes some very fine components. Brookes comment was spot on. What happens etc. I did run out to the site and take a quick read. The short piece I read did not have a lot of specifics or I simply missed them. It