[time-nuts] Why Cesium and Rubidium only

2007-07-27 Thread Don Collie
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please excuse my ignorance [I marvel/wonder at some of the essotevric comments on this group], but why are atomic clocks reliant on these two rare elements? - why not mercury, or water vapor, they are a lot easier to find.

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B low frequency modulation

2007-07-27 Thread Peter Vince
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was surprised to read that crimping is considered most reliable. I work in broadcast television, and we have rows and rows of video patch panels. Decades ago, the coaxs were soldered to the MUSA connectors on the bay, but in

Re: [time-nuts] Why Cesium and Rubidium only

2007-07-27 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don Collie wrote: Please excuse my ignorance [I marvel/wonder at some of the essotevric comments on this group], but why are atomic clocks reliant on these two rare elements? - why not mercury, or water vapor, they are a lot

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B low frequency modulation

2007-07-27 Thread Bruce Lane
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good day, *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 27-Jul-07 at 08:29 Peter Vince wrote: ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was surprised to read that crimping is considered most reliable...

Re: [time-nuts] Why Cesium and Rubidium only

2007-07-27 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bob Paddock wrote: On Friday 27 July 2007 04:14, Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: 22GHz, (15GHz) (~40.5 GHz) than either the caesium (9.192GHz) or rubidium (6.8GHz) Anything happening in the THz range, that anyone

Re: [time-nuts] Why Cesium and Rubidium only

2007-07-27 Thread Bob Paddock
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Friday 27 July 2007 04:14, Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: 22GHz, (15GHz) (~40.5 GHz) than either the caesium (9.192GHz) or rubidium (6.8GHz) Anything happening in the THz range, that anyone knows of? --

Re: [time-nuts] Iforomation request XR5 M

2007-07-27 Thread Rob Kimberley
Robert, I've just sent a copy of the manual to your email address. Cheers Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Atkinson Sent: 19 July 2007 09:10 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject:

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B low frequency modulation

2007-07-27 Thread SAIDJACK
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/27/2007 06:23:33 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: has the same strength and gas tightness of a cold weld. I've been fortunate, over the years, to have gotten hold of the right tools and dies

[time-nuts] Time may not exist

2007-07-27 Thread Tom Clifton
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just to stir the pot a little - I'm providing a link to Discover magazine - a tome of great repute and a source of information on scientific discoveries of epic magnitude... Enjoy... http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/in-no-time

[time-nuts] Homebrew primary standard?

2007-07-27 Thread michael taylor
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Has there been any attempts (or successes) at someone outside of a national laboratory, and commercial RD groups to build a primary frequency/time standard? I am not sure if there is anything that would prevent an individual from

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B low frequency modulation

2007-07-27 Thread Arnold Tibus
Hello all together, nice to find an expert on wiring procedures, all your comments are fully correct Bruce! For the Boeing B747/ B727/ B737 etc. we had of course all kind of tools for all the different MIL a nd aerospace connectors and wire-types available. Unfortunately these are quite

Re: [time-nuts] Homebrew primary standard?

2007-07-27 Thread Tom Van Baak
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Has there been any attempts (or successes) at someone outside of a national laboratory, and commercial RD groups to build a primary frequency/time standard? Two attempts to build hydrogen masers that I know of; little or no

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1120 questions

2007-07-27 Thread Björn Gabrielsson
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeffrey, Got off-list feedback from Chuck Norton yesterday and put power to my unit. Your pinout worked great with my unit. Thanks again! Initial current consumption 250mA, later dropped to about 160mA. Fine tune adjustment worked.

Re: [time-nuts] Homebrew primary standard?

2007-07-27 Thread Rick Karlquist
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wow, as a member of the 5071 cesium RD team, I couldn't imagine a homebrew cesium standard. There is so much knowledge involved in building one, plus you need high vacuum equipment, etc. Big cesiums like NIST-7 have a group of post

[time-nuts] Building a DC Block Thingy....

2007-07-27 Thread Jason Rabel
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a NTS-200 on the way, but one thing about them is their GPS power output is 12V instead of the usual 5V. I really didn't want to modify the board any in an irreversible fashion so I was hoping to build an inline coupler that I

Re: [time-nuts] Building a DC Block Thingy....

2007-07-27 Thread Mike Feher
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use a cheap Mini Circuits Bias-T. Many on ebay. First load the receiver with whatever it needs to be happy, then go through a Bias-T and put 5 volts in on the DC port of the bias-T. The 5 volts could be obtained from the 12 volts

Re: [time-nuts] Building a DC Block Thingy....

2007-07-27 Thread Dick, W1KSZ
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Google a 7805 device and all will be well. 73, Dick, W1KSZ Jason Rabel wrote: I have a NTS-200 on the way, but one thing about them is their GPS power output is 12V instead of the usual 5V. I really didn't want to modify the

Re: [time-nuts] Building a DC Block Thingy....

2007-07-27 Thread Rob Kimberley
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My first thought here would be to use a small 3 pin 5V regulator to drop the DC down, and then capacitively couple in and out to let the RF through. Interesting to see what other comments you get. Rob K -Original Message-

Re: [time-nuts] Building a DC Block Thingy....

2007-07-27 Thread Björn Gabrielsson
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whats the problem disconnecting your antenna from the antenna port on the Splitter, connect your NTS-200, and then measure the DC-voltage on the Splitter antenna port? Maybe you _want_ to build a DC-block... ;-) -- Björn On

Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist

2007-07-27 Thread WB6BNQ
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom, Very interesting concept ! But I do not think the business world is going to buy it. BillWB6BNQ Tom Clifton wrote: Just to stir the pot a little - I'm providing a link to Discover magazine - a tome of great repute

Re: [time-nuts] Building a DC Block Thingy....

2007-07-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I actually did just that on one of the HP 8 port splitters that was on eBay a few months ago. It was configured for external DC but simply passed the input voltage through untouched. A 78L05 regulator on a piece of perfboard

Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist

2007-07-27 Thread wa1zms
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting article. But I see implications to the idea of time=money. -Brian, WA1ZMS -- Original message -- From: WB6BNQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom, Very interesting concept ! But I do not think

Re: [time-nuts] Building a DC Block Thingy....

2007-07-27 Thread Jason Rabel
I have 2 other GPS devices already on the splitter, so there is really no need for any DC current to be passed as the splitter will just sink it. I just wanted to build an extra measure of safety in there sinking the 12V before the splitter *incase* the other 2 GPS devices are turned off or

Re: [time-nuts] Building a DC Block Thingy....

2007-07-27 Thread SAIDJACK
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/27/2007 13:10:12 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I actually did just that on one of the HP 8 port splitters that was on eBay a few months ago. It was configured for external DC but

Re: [time-nuts] Building a DC Block Thingy....

2007-07-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] said the following on 07/27/2007 05:00 PM: I have one of these Tucker HP 8-ports GPS antenna amps/splitters too, and they are configured to only accept an external power supply, but can be easily modified:

Re: [time-nuts] Building a DC Block Thingy....

2007-07-27 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jason Rabel wrote: I have a NTS-200 on the way, but one thing about them is their GPS power output is 12V instead of the usual 5V. I really didn't want to modify the board any in an irreversible fashion so I was hoping to build an

Re: [time-nuts] Building a DC Block Thingy....

2007-07-27 Thread SAIDJACK
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/27/2007 14:48:20 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: With the external power, I still have a point of failure, but accidentally turning off a GPS without remembering the consequences isn't an

Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist

2007-07-27 Thread Don Collie
Money *does* exist, although not in large enough quantaties to be of much practical use, usually...Don C. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com; Discussion of precise

Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist

2007-07-27 Thread Don Collie
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Furthermore : If time=money, and money is in short supply, then there`s never enough time [to get things done]. This is verifiable empirricly, and may be the reason why rich people live longer, and why not so productive workers

Re: [time-nuts] Homebrew primary standard?

2007-07-27 Thread Don Collie
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is possible to build a standard, of very good long term stability, by amplifying the radiation produced by a simple incandesent light bulb. The frequency produced is well within the capabilities of present

Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist

2007-07-27 Thread wa1zms
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I told a fellow co-worker about this thread today and his comments were: It's true that Time = Money, but. Wife = Anti-Money -Brian, WA1ZMS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of

Re: [time-nuts] Building a DC Block Thingy....

2007-07-27 Thread Don Collie
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3Tr`s can be very noisy - if the current drawn is constant, perhaps a decoupled resistor would be better..Don C. - Original Message - From: Rob Kimberley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Discussion

Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist

2007-07-27 Thread Jack Hudler
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rich people generally live longer because they do 'rich people' stuff... Live below there means, save, don't use credit; which reduces stress. Poor people on the other hand, do 'poor people' stuff, like run up credit cards, borrow

Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist

2007-07-27 Thread Bill Hawkins
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Before this subject deteriorates into what trial lawyers and politicians excel at (twisting words to obscure the truth), consider what happens if time does not exist. Velocity is distance moved per unit of time, or distance is