Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist

2007-07-28 Thread GandalfG8
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 28/07/2007 05:49:07 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Before this subject deteriorates into what trial lawyers and politicians excel at (twisting words to obscure the truth), consider what happens

Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist

2007-07-28 Thread Didier Juges
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think what is proposed is that time, while real, would not be a fundamental dimension of the universe, it would be a dimension of convenience, due to our lack of understanding of the underlying principles. It is interesting

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B low frequency modulation

2007-07-28 Thread Didier Juges
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course, any method is only as good as it is implemented. Crimping gets rid of a number of chemistry problems, and creates few problems in return. One problem with crimping coax cables is that crimping the braid is usually done

Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist

2007-07-28 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm surprised that no one has come forth with the apposite quote from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so. John Didier Juges said the following on 07/28/2007 09:29 AM: );

Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist

2007-07-28 Thread Arnold Tibus
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The question wether time exist is very interesting. But is it not elementary to ask before what we understand as time? (Interesting to hear people saying: I've no time... how if he lives at the same time and speed around?) My

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B low frequency modulation

2007-07-28 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Didier Juges said the following on 07/28/2007 09:39 AM: One problem with crimping coax cables is that crimping the braid is usually done against the plastic (term used generically) insulation between the center conductor and the

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B low frequency modulation

2007-07-28 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Ackermann N8UR said the following on 07/28/2007 09:58 AM: I don't know that I've ever seen any crimp connectors that don't have a sleeve between the coax and the dielectric. Maybe I've just been living right... Argh! I

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B low frequency modulation

2007-07-28 Thread Chuck Harris
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Didier Juges wrote: ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course, any method is only as good as it is implemented. Crimping gets rid of a number of chemistry problems, and creates few problems in

Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist

2007-07-28 Thread Tim Shoppa
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Didier Juges [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think what is proposed is that time, while real, would not be a fundamental dimension of the universe, it would be a dimension of convenience, due to our lack of understanding of the

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B low frequency modulation

2007-07-28 Thread Didier Juges
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was referring to the crimp connectors like the SMAs where the cable is press-fit in the connector. These work well at t=0 and in low stress equipment, but are not too good in high vibration or thermal cycling environments. Also,

Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist

2007-07-28 Thread Didier Juges
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is the comfort of familiarity :-) Well, as much as I am attracted by the mysteries of science, I am quite happy solving relatively mundane problems everyday like so many engineers. So much so that I am not sure what it would

[time-nuts] Choosing an Oscillator...

2007-07-28 Thread Robert Sexton
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi gang, I'm still headed towards getting a Stratum 1 NTP server up and going. From what I've learned so far, higher quality PPS signals aren't going to do a lot for me if my server has a wiggy clock. That makes perfect sense.

[time-nuts] Re : Time = money

2007-07-28 Thread Marc Bury
If indeed Time = Money, then maybe we should consider renaming this group to money-nuts ? _ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail

[time-nuts] Crimping VS Soldering

2007-07-28 Thread Tom Clifton
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The key is the gas tight connection between the surfaces. If moisture and/or oxygen can't get in the conection will remain true. Back in an earlier life in the telecommunications industry connections went from soldered to wire

Re: [time-nuts] Choosing an Oscillator...

2007-07-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert Sexton writes: Hi gang, I'm still headed towards getting a Stratum 1 NTP server up and going. From what I've learned so far, higher quality PPS signals aren't going to do a lot for me if my server has a wiggy clock. That makes perfect sense. Now I just

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B low frequency modulation

2007-07-28 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Didier, I believe you are mistaken about what holds a crimp SMA connector together. The crimp force is entirely taken up in trying to constrict the circumference of the solid copper jacket. Because a cylinder is one of those perfect structures discovered by the ancients, this crimping

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B low frequency modulation

2007-07-28 Thread John Miles
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have made numerous shielded opens for network analyzer use by crimping an SMA connector nut onto a piece of copper semi-rigid shield tube without using any center insulator, or center pin. You can (supposedly) mess up an

Re: [time-nuts] Choosing an Oscillator...

2007-07-28 Thread Björn Gabrielsson
On Sat, July 28, 2007 18:17, Robert Sexton said: ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi gang, I'm still headed towards getting a Stratum 1 NTP server up and going. Go build that S1 NTP server with the stuff you have! See what work and what seems not to work.

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B low frequency modulation

2007-07-28 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi Magnus, The 5372A which we bought new years ago reference polluted by the switching power supplies. There were more of them with different frequencies. It showed up in the fft of measurements and also seen at the reference output. I do not have access to that instrument anymore and do

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B low frequency modulation

2007-07-28 Thread Chuck Harris
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Miles wrote: ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have made numerous shielded opens for network analyzer use by crimping an SMA connector nut onto a piece of copper semi-rigid shield tube

Re: [time-nuts] Choosing an Oscillator...

2007-07-28 Thread Björn Gabrielsson
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Almost any OCXO (even much simpler ones than the HP '811 or '544) will get you microsecond stability on your NTP server. Can you elaborate a little on your tests of NTP server stability vs oscillator choice? How useful/reliable

Re: [time-nuts] Choosing an Oscillator...

2007-07-28 Thread Tom Van Baak
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi gang, I'm still headed towards getting a Stratum 1 NTP server up and going. From what I've learned so far, higher quality PPS signals aren't going to do a lot for me if my server has a wiggy clock. That makes perfect

Re: [time-nuts] Choosing an Oscillator...

2007-07-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], =? iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Gabrielsson?= writes: Almost any OCXO (even much simpler ones than the HP '811 or '544) will get you microsecond stability on your NTP server. Can you elaborate a little on your tests of NTP server stability vs oscillator choice? How

Re: [time-nuts] Choosing an Oscillator...

2007-07-28 Thread Tim Shoppa
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert Sexton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi gang, I'm still headed towards getting a Stratum 1 NTP server up and going. From what I've learned so far, higher quality PPS signals aren't going to do a lot for me if my server has

[time-nuts] Test message

2007-07-28 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry for the intrusion; testing some mail system upgrades that I'm hoping might solve the spurious-header problem. John ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe,

Re: [time-nuts] Choosing an Oscillator...

2007-07-28 Thread Tom Van Baak
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Now, I can just see everyone telling me that WWVB and WWV etc. are now tied to GPS :-(. Tim. Not directly tied, but several NIST papers state that GPS common view is used to keep the local standard(s) in Ft Collins

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B low frequency modulation

2007-07-28 Thread Didier Juges
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hi Chuck, You may be correct, the deformation is not obvious when looking at it with the naked eye (never actually measured it, but you prompted my curiosity, so now I will have to check :-) That may explain the relative

Re: [time-nuts] Homebrew primary standard?

2007-07-28 Thread Don Collie
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Sorry, I forgot three of these : ;-)..Don C. - Original Message - From: Don Collie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] SMA Connectors was: HP 5370B low frequency modulation

2007-07-28 Thread Brooke Clarke
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hi: I spent a few decades in work related microwave components most of which used SMA connectors. The early ones used the solid center conductor of the 0.141 coax as the center pin and so the male was just the nut and

Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist

2007-07-28 Thread Bill Hawkins
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Completely agree with Didier and Tim. There's another observation about time: Events are spaced in time. If there is no time, then everything happens at once. Perhaps our Big Bang came from another universe running out of

Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist

2007-07-28 Thread Mike Feher
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY I really like your namesake's (Stephen) title for his original book A Brief History of Time and the newer version A Briefer History of Time. Now there is a time-nut. Very clever titles. - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89