Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-20 Thread Steve Rooke
Bob, Can I answer this one. On 20 June 2010 04:36, Robert Benward rbenw...@verizon.net wrote: Warren, I was responding to ke5fx comment using a 12-bit, 480-Hz serial DAQ in place of the voltage-to-frequency converter in the diagram above.   A DAQ is a multifaceted data acquisition system,

Re: [time-nuts] (no subject)

2010-06-20 Thread Hal Murray
I have all this stuff. I really don't want to open this thing up, and my oscillator trouble shooting skills are not that great. I think you have several choices: 1) Double check all the pins going into the hockey-puck. (Maybe something on the board has died/broke.) 2)

Re: [time-nuts] (no subject)

2010-06-20 Thread Robert Benward
Steve, I was looking for insight. For instance, is there a power up sequence for the +5 +12V? Anything I can look at before I dive in to the can? This is not the first HP oscillator I have that has gone dead on me. I have a 10811 that went south on me a few years back. This is just getting

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-20 Thread Robert Benward
Steve, I am a professional engineer, but in this arena I am an amateur. That is why I'm asking the questions, not to put down, but to understand some of the claims made. And as I said in one of my previous emails, I've seen amateurs run circles around the professionals, and those professional

Re: [time-nuts] (no subject)

2010-06-20 Thread J. L. Trantham
Bob, I do not know about the E1938A but I have repaired 10811's utilizing the excellent troubleshooting section of the 10811 manual. If you are an EE and are comfortable with small components, the 10811 should be no problem. I do not know of a similar manual for the E1938A. Joe -Original

Re: [time-nuts] AVAR Femtoseconds

2010-06-20 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The use of femtoseconds come from the AVAR it's self. It was originally defined by time domain people. It's delineated by a Tau dimensioned in seconds. The time domain noise that's 1x10^-12 or 1x10^-15 down at one second does indeed have units of 1x10^-12 or 1x10^-15 seconds. As with any

Re: [time-nuts] (no subject)

2010-06-20 Thread Bob Camp
Hi No nothing would suggest a power supply to me. I'd certainly check all the power and ground pins right up front. Bob On Jun 20, 2010, at 9:53 AM, Robert Benward wrote: Steve, I was looking for insight. For instance, is there a power up sequence for the +5 +12V? Anything I can look

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2010-06-20 Thread Robert Benward
Hi Joe, I may have no alternative. I have the manuals, I'll start taking it apart! I am very comfortable with small components, it's repairing oscillators I have the problem with. But I'll give it a try. Schematics for the osc and main board, and board layout for the main board, are

Re: [time-nuts] AVAR Femtoseconds

2010-06-20 Thread Robert Benward
Bob Boy, you guys are really making me read a lot. I'm digesting Wiki right now. I see tau, but does identifying a tau of 1E-14 allow you to say you are locked to 10fs? The smallest tau I've seen in my E1938 collection is 1E-1. Bob - Original Message - From: Bob Camp To:

[time-nuts] AVAR for

2010-06-20 Thread Filip Ozimek
Hi, I'm trying to compare a various methods of time and frequency comparision: GPS common-view, GPS carrier-phase and GPS TWSTT. Does anyone know what is the floor level for these methods in AVAR? Filip. ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-20 Thread WarrenS
Bob II Short summery for the Berry readers: The simple TPLL BB works fine and is better than any OXCO that it has been used with. The fact that some so called experts do not believe or understand why, does not change that proven fact. * and the longer story for those that have nothing

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-20 Thread WarrenS
GandalfG8 Posted: Snake Oil anyone? I nice short response, but it shows missed the MAJOR difference. You need to see: http://www.thegleam.com/ke5fx/tpll.htm ws ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] AVAR Femtoseconds

2010-06-20 Thread jimlux
Robert Benward wrote: Bob Boy, you guys are really making me read a lot. I'm digesting Wiki right now. I see tau, but does identifying a tau of 1E-14 allow you to say you are locked to 10fs? The smallest tau I've seen in my E1938 collection is 1E-1. Bob tau is the time over which the

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-20 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 20/06/2010 22:11:51 GMT Daylight Time, warrensjmail-...@yahoo.com writes: I nice short response, but it shows missed the MAJOR difference. You need to see: http://www.thegleam.com/ke5fx/tpll.htm - Warren Your stock answer of claiming that

Re: [time-nuts] AVAR Femtoseconds

2010-06-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 06/20/2010 11:53 PM, jimlux wrote: Robert Benward wrote: Bob Boy, you guys are really making me read a lot. I'm digesting Wiki right now. I see tau, but does identifying a tau of 1E-14 allow you to say you are locked to 10fs? The smallest tau I've seen in my E1938 collection is 1E-1. Bob

Re: [time-nuts] (no subject)

2010-06-20 Thread Steve Rooke
Bob, On 21 June 2010 01:53, Robert Benward rbenw...@verizon.net wrote: Steve, I was looking for insight.  For instance, is there a power up sequence for the +5 +12V?  Anything I can look at before I dive in to the can? I don't know the device but I seriously doubt there is a sequence for

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-20 Thread Chuck Harris
WarrenS wrote: GandalfG8 Posted: Snake Oil anyone? I nice short response, but it shows missed the MAJOR difference. You need to see: http://www.thegleam.com/ke5fx/tpll.htm ws No disrespect to you or John intended, but that is a data set of one experiment. We used to call that a High

Re: [time-nuts] AVAR Femtoseconds

2010-06-20 Thread Bob Camp
Hi While the units are more properly femto seconds/ second you do indeed see 1s AVAR plots labeled in fS. Bob On Jun 20, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 06/20/2010 11:53 PM, jimlux wrote: Robert Benward wrote: Bob Boy, you guys are really making me read a lot. I'm digesting

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 06/21/2010 12:49 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: WarrenS wrote: GandalfG8 Posted: Snake Oil anyone? I nice short response, but it shows missed the MAJOR difference. You need to see: http://www.thegleam.com/ke5fx/tpll.htm ws No disrespect to you or John intended, but that is a data set of one

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-20 Thread Chuck Harris
Magnus Danielson wrote: On 06/21/2010 12:49 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: WarrenS wrote: GandalfG8 Posted: Snake Oil anyone? I nice short response, but it shows missed the MAJOR difference. You need to see: http://www.thegleam.com/ke5fx/tpll.htm ws No disrespect to you or John intended, but

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-20 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Schematics of each of the various implementations tired would be nice. That would allow others to implement duplicates and see what happened. Without schematics only approximations can be implemented and analyzed. That generally opens up more issues than it addresses. The nature of the

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-20 Thread WarrenS
Well so much for my short 'berry' answers, that did not last long, sorry berry readers. You think you are tired of hearing the same ol repeated stuff over and over and over ..., Think about how tired I am of needing to repeat it. The simple TPLL works good enough to measure any OCXO that

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-20 Thread John Allen
IMHO, this comment is totally uncalled for, regardless... Also, it is unsigned - poor etiquette. John Allen - -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of gandal...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 4:07 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-20 Thread Steve Rooke
On 21 June 2010 08:07, gandal...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 20/06/2010 18:47:41 GMT Daylight Time, warrensjmail-...@yahoo.com writes: Short  summery for the Berry readers: The simple TPLL BB works fine and is better  than any OXCO that it has been used with. The fact that some so