[time-nuts] Wavecrest DTS 2070 GPIB access

2010-11-23 Thread John Miles
I'm looking at writing some code to drive the DTS 2070, but have been running into timeout errors performing any GPIB query (even *IDN?) while the instrument is taking measurements, even in sizes/sets of 1/1 at a 1-pps rate. Has anyone else run into this before? This happens equally with either

Re: [time-nuts] Wavecrest DTS 2070 GPIB access

2010-11-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi How long are the cables / what else is on the chain? They may not have proper pull up's on the device. Bob On Nov 23, 2010, at 5:27 AM, John Miles wrote: I'm looking at writing some code to drive the DTS 2070, but have been running into timeout errors performing any GPIB query (even

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you are going to depend on any form of over the air timing, you need holdover. It's not a option its a requirement. There are simply to many things that can create issues with the signal you are using. That's true of any over the air system, not just GPS. Redundancy would also be nice,

[time-nuts] FS Rb track/hold was [Re: GPS jamming susceptibility]

2010-11-23 Thread Christophe Huygens
On that subject, I have a Symmetricom chassis for sale with Rb track/hold (dual PRC inputs I believe, with room for a second holdover card, dual power supply, and 16 2048Khz outputs - more reduncancy than you would want). Can go at time-nut price before it goes on auction. + ship from 3000 BE.

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 23/11/10 13:36, Bob Camp wrote: Hi If you are going to depend on any form of over the air timing, you need holdover. It's not a option its a requirement. There are simply to many things that can create issues with the signal you are using. That's true of any over the air system, not just

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Most telecom systems are still a timing monoculture. All of their sources of time are duplicates of the same thing. There are multiple categories of trouble that will affect all of their sources. Redundancy with multiple types of timing is what would make a more robust system. That's the stuff

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 23/11/10 14:17, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Most telecom systems are still a timing monoculture. All of their sources of time are duplicates of the same thing. There are multiple categories of trouble that will affect all of their sources. Redundancy with multiple types of timing is what would make a

Re: [time-nuts] CMC ALLSTAR GPS board.

2010-11-23 Thread ernieperes
Hi time-nuts, I have about 25 or 30ea CMC ALLSTAR GPS board. Software/hardware version 265-613940-513, var 001. with Racon 10.000MHz TCXO Is there any useful application around??.. I tried to use in Brooks Shera board but give a sloppy result. If anybody need a board please contact me

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-23 Thread John Green
I read that Phrack article and their jammer is much more sophisticated than mine. Mine is just a sweeper. I don't even know yet the sweep rate. I was thinking more along the lines of theirs. Something that actually put out a signal that contained at least some aspects of the signal they were

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-23 Thread jimlux
John Green wrote: jamming anyone's GPS. A while back, I was looking at one of those It doesn't look capable of putting out more than 50 milliwatts or so into a 2 inch antenna The GPS antenna is perhaps 35 feet away with a cinder block wall, a brick wall, and a metal roof in between. I also

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-23 Thread jimlux
John Green wrote: I read that Phrack article and their jammer is much more sophisticated than mine. Mine is just a sweeper. I don't even know yet the sweep rate. I was thinking more along the lines of theirs. Something that actually put out a signal that contained at least some aspects of the

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-23 Thread jimlux
scmcgr...@gmail.com wrote: The Phrack article's jammer attacks the offset frequencies. Phrack.org/issues.html?issue=60id=13 This article shows just how vulnerable L1 GPS is I'm not very impressed by design... That old Freescale/Motorola MC145151 PLL, and using a separate prescaler? That's

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 23/11/10 16:12, jimlux wrote: scmcgr...@gmail.com wrote: The Phrack article's jammer attacks the offset frequencies. Phrack.org/issues.html?issue=60id=13 This article shows just how vulnerable L1 GPS is I'm not very impressed by design... That old Freescale/Motorola MC145151 PLL, and

Re: [time-nuts] FS700 schematic

2010-11-23 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Hi Paul, If you are using something different then an active antennathat draws current. You need a 470 ohm resistor to ground at the antenna bnc.The system sense current being drawn both high and low. Yes, this is understood. My antenna coupler for the W3 includes a 560 Ohm resistor and

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The same basic equations apply (as you point out) to any receiver. Lay down enough on channel noise power and the receiver doesn't have much of a chance. Nothing magic or terribly hard to figure out. Easy to do wideband at I could use a baseball bat to I could use a bow and arrow type ranges.

Re: [time-nuts] Wavecrest DTS 2070 GPIB access

2010-11-23 Thread Ulrich Bangert
John, I do not have any experience with the Wavecrest but my experience with devices that do not seem to answer on bus requests is that they often DO ANSWER the request but after the answer they do not serve the bus's EOI line correct. Checking the EOI line is the standard way that the controller

Re: [time-nuts] FS700 schematic

2010-11-23 Thread Ulrich Bangert
This: sours should of course read: source -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] Im Auftrag von Ulrich Bangert Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. November 2010 18:32 An: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Betreff: Re:

Re: [time-nuts] Wavecrest DTS 2070 GPIB access

2010-11-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There are indeed a number of devices that behave that way and work with that fix. They can be a big pain if you then decide to go looking for binary data. Polling the status is the only solution I have found in that case. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jamming susceptibility

2010-11-23 Thread Tom Clifton
In the RC Model Airplane world where some brave souls are experimenting with autonoumous (UAV)  flight , it is usual that they have a part-15 video downlink and/or telemetry at 900mhz or 2.4ghz and unless you put a trap on the input to the GPS receiver to significantly reduce those frequencies

Re: [time-nuts] FS700 schematic

2010-11-23 Thread paul swed
Not a problem on spelling especially if tired. The problem you are running into is really curious indeed. Since we have no LORAN C in N A anymore. I can only use the loran simulator to drive the FS700 and that works very well. I have the antenuator in the simulator at -55 db as I recall to

Re: [time-nuts] Wavecrest DTS 2070 GPIB access

2010-11-23 Thread John Miles
I've tried a few variations on EOI/EOS behavior. It's definitely not sending either EOS characters or asserting EOI in the cases where the timeout occurs... it's just not sending anything at all in those cases. ibcntl=0, indicating no traffic arrived at all. It seems that the DTS just doesn't