Re: [time-nuts] T-Bolt Companion

2011-11-06 Thread Kevin Rosenberg
On Nov 5, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Kevin Rosenberg wrote:
 Hi David,
 I got it, thanks!

Heh, wrong reply address. Sorry!

Kevin


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[time-nuts] Low-cost GPS distribution using DVB-T parts?

2011-11-06 Thread David J Taylor

Folks,

I wonder whether anyone has tried GPS RF signal distribution using 
low-cost TV parts?  For example, this amplifier:


 http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001AI7OOQ

is rated up to 2.3 GHz and could be driven from the +5 V available on the 
antenna socket of some units.  Used after a puck antenna, its noise factor 
would not be critical, nor would the 50-ohm/75-ohm impedance mismatch. 
You could then add a 2-way or 4-way satellite TV splitter to feed 
multiple GPS units (taking care of the DC paths and various connector 
formats, of course).


Just a thought

Cheers,
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Re: [time-nuts] Low-cost GPS distribution using DVB-T parts?

2011-11-06 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R

Worked for me when I was driving two Thunderbolts from the
same antenna using a splitter.  Operation without the amp
in the line was marginal.  With the amp in the line things were fine.

The amp is a Perfect Vision  in-line map 950-2400 MHz 20db
sold for use with satellite dishes.

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Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications
  Omen Technology Inc  The High Reliability Software
10255 NW Old Cornelius Pass Portland OR 97231   503-614-0430


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Re: [time-nuts] Is a FS700 useable in the USA?

2011-11-06 Thread Magnus Danielson

On 11/06/2011 12:25 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

In messagef3429597-8c62-464a-82fa-c321b51fe...@flatironresearch.com, Scott H
arris writes:


I picked up a SRS FS700 LORAN-C frequency standard cheap and is
seem to be functional, but I don't have the active antenna.



I live about 20 miles west of Boulder, CO.


I seriously doubt you will get any kind of signal that the FS700 or
any other LORAN-C receiver can use.  Your nearest station may be
one of the Russian Chayka stations.

PS: But I'm in the market for a cheap FS700, if you want to get
rid of it again, but we need to find a sensible way to ship it
to Denmark...


I would too be in the market for one, I'm in Sweden so I too get to see 
some LORAN-C. However, I recall there being some issue with the FS700 
and support for European chains due to the chain delay settings.


Cheers,
Magnus

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Re: [time-nuts] Low-cost GPS distribution using DVB-T parts?

2011-11-06 Thread Azelio Boriani
In my company we use home satellite/TV splitters to distribute the GPS
antenna over tens of GPSDO units. Usually we split multiple times one
single antenna without much problems. Yes, at times the satellite count is
low but this is considered a useful test.

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
c...@omen.comwrote:

 Worked for me when I was driving two Thunderbolts from the
 same antenna using a splitter.  Operation without the amp
 in the line was marginal.  With the amp in the line things were fine.

 The amp is a Perfect Vision  in-line map 950-2400 MHz 20db
 sold for use with satellite dishes.

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 Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications
  Omen Technology Inc  The High Reliability Software
 10255 NW Old Cornelius Pass Portland OR 97231   503-614-0430



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Re: [time-nuts] Is a FS700 useable in the USA?

2011-11-06 Thread Azelio Boriani
Yes, I have seen that some old Loran receivers (like the Apollo 612B) have
fixed preprogrammed chain delays (GRIs) and others (like Raynav 520) can be
set with a variable delay.

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Magnus Danielson 
mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote:

 On 11/06/2011 12:25 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

 In messagef3429597-8c62-464a-82fa-c321b51fe...@flatironresearch.com,
 Scott H
 arris writes:

  I picked up a SRS FS700 LORAN-C frequency standard cheap and is
 seem to be functional, but I don't have the active antenna.


  I live about 20 miles west of Boulder, CO.


 I seriously doubt you will get any kind of signal that the FS700 or
 any other LORAN-C receiver can use.  Your nearest station may be
 one of the Russian Chayka stations.

 PS: But I'm in the market for a cheap FS700, if you want to get
 rid of it again, but we need to find a sensible way to ship it
 to Denmark...


 I would too be in the market for one, I'm in Sweden so I too get to see
 some LORAN-C. However, I recall there being some issue with the FS700 and
 support for European chains due to the chain delay settings.

 Cheers,
 Magnus

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Re: [time-nuts] Low-cost GPS distribution using DVB-T parts?

2011-11-06 Thread David J Taylor
My thanks to Nigel, Azelio, and Chuck for confirming the feasibility of 
this.  At least I haven't spent too much time re-inventing the wheel.  I 
now have some bits on order, including yes more adapters for those 
wretched F-connectors!


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[time-nuts] Serial to Excel utility.

2011-11-06 Thread Nic McLean
Sorry folks for the slightly OT post.

Does anybody know of a utility that will import and parse the serial bit
stream from a GPS and put values into a couple of cells in an Excel
spreadsheet?

Regards,

Nic

VK2KXN / VK5ZAT

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Re: [time-nuts] Serial to Excel utility.

2011-11-06 Thread Magnus Danielson

On 11/06/2011 07:48 PM, Nic McLean wrote:

Sorry folks for the slightly OT post.

Does anybody know of a utility that will import and parse the serial bit
stream from a GPS and put values into a couple of cells in an Excel
spreadsheet?


Would not importing of comma-separated format be the easiest path?

It should be trivial to have NMEA format stripped of wrappers such that 
the remaining result would be accepted as a comma separated list which 
import neatly into Excell or similar tool.


Cheers,
Magnus

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Re: [time-nuts] Serial to Excel utility.

2011-11-06 Thread Graham
Try poking around here:

http://www.windmillsoft.com/index.html

They have a variety of serial apps and much info on importing to excel.
There might just be something here that is close to what you want.

cheers, Graham



On Sun, 2011-11-06 at 19:59 +0100, Magnus Danielson wrote:
 On 11/06/2011 07:48 PM, Nic McLean wrote:
  Sorry folks for the slightly OT post.
 
  Does anybody know of a utility that will import and parse the serial bit
  stream from a GPS and put values into a couple of cells in an Excel
  spreadsheet?
 
 Would not importing of comma-separated format be the easiest path?
 
 It should be trivial to have NMEA format stripped of wrappers such that 
 the remaining result would be accepted as a comma separated list which 
 import neatly into Excell or similar tool.
 
 Cheers,
 Magnus



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[time-nuts] R: Re: Precisione GPS based led clock

2011-11-06 Thread paolo.mart...@alice.it
yes, I am working with for a timestamp on a FireWire Camera (MARLIN CAMERA)
Unfortunately no  free software can timestamp frame withouth data loss.
My camera is unable to carry out  an atuomatic timestamp (it is and old 
version).
Thank you for info
Paolo Martini 




Messaggio originale
Da: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk
Data: 3-nov-2011 12.02
A: time-nuts@febo.com
Ogg: Re: [time-nuts] Precisione GPS based led clock

 Dear  all
 I am an amateur astronomer working in the field of minor planet 
 occultation.
 To arrange a precise reference  time I am looking for a 1/100 sec LED 
 dispaly clock GPS based. (LED is usefull for night vision)
 My idea is to use a ebay used master clock such as   ThunderBolt GPS 
 disciplined clock to drive a timecode display. Particulary I wish to 
 realize a PIC based LED clock to display hour min sec and use the 10 
 MHz reference to arrange an  1/10 and 1/100 sec disaply.  Can anyone 
 help me in finding schemes or any more flexible idea?
 thanks

A small Netbook PC locked to a good local NTP server should be able to 
achieve that.  Your local NTP server can be locked to GPS (ideally) or to 
the Internet.

GPS devices:
  http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/FreeBSD-GPS-PPS.htm
  http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Sure-GPS.htm

The PC's screen refresh rate would be marginal for 1/00s, though.  Perhaps 
1/20s is more realistic.

If 1/10s is good enough, there are applications like Emerald Time for your 
iPad/iPhone:

  http://emeraldsequoia.com/et/index.html

Are you actually trying to timestamp a video recording or light-level 
reading?  Or time pressing a button?

Cheers,
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[time-nuts] Lady Heather Switch AMU and dBc

2011-11-06 Thread James Hall
What command do I use to switch displayed signal strength between AMU and dBc 
in Lady Heather?

Thanks,

Jim W4TVI
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Re: [time-nuts] Serial to Excel utility.

2011-11-06 Thread Chris Albertson
The data, as is comes out of the GPS is already in a form that Excel
can read.  Just tell Excel that it is coma separated values,

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Nic McLean mclea...@bigpond.com wrote:
 Sorry folks for the slightly OT post.

 Does anybody know of a utility that will import and parse the serial bit
 stream from a GPS and put values into a couple of cells in an Excel
 spreadsheet?

 Regards,

 Nic

 VK2KXN / VK5ZAT

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Re: [time-nuts] R: Re: Precisione GPS based led clock

2011-11-06 Thread Hal Murray

paolo.mart...@alice.it said:
 yes, I am working with for a timestamp on a FireWire Camera (MARLIN CAMERA)
 Unfortunately no  free software can timestamp frame withouth data loss. My
 camera is unable to carry out  an atuomatic timestamp (it is and old
 version). 

Will it work if you just use a single LED connected to the PPS signal from 
the GPS?  The idea is to count frames from the first frame where you can see 
the LED.  That assumes you can get within a second using other means.

Some PPS pulses are only 10 microseconds wide.  If you have one of those, you 
will have to use a pulse stretcher.

What is the timing like on the shutter of modern digital cameras?  I assume 
the time it is open is adjusted to adapt to the light level.

Suppose I'm running at 100 frames per second (a handy round number).  That's 
10 ms per frame.  Is the readout double-buffered so I can have the shutter 
open for most of the 10 ms and also have 10 ms to read out the frame?

If the shutter is open for most of the frame time, you can probably get 
sub-frame timing by measuring the intensity of the LED.

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[time-nuts] BBC on Leap Seconds

2011-11-06 Thread John Allen
FYI: A series of articles, the first 3 from 4 November 2011.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/search/news/leap_second

 

Individual articles from above:

.  4 November 2011

*   The end of the 'leap second'?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9631000/9631441.stm 

Next year, the international community will vote on whether to abolish the leap
second.

*   Changes to the world's time scale debated
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15546124 

Science  Environment / 4 November 2011

And the main issue up for debate is the leap second - and whether we should
abolish it. The leap second came into existence in 1972. It is added.

*   Science explained: What is a leap second?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15563170 

4 November 2011

Science reporter Rebecca Morelle explains what a leap second is - and what would
happen if we got rid of them.

John Allen K1AE

 

 

 

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Re: [time-nuts] Serial to Excel utility.

2011-11-06 Thread Morris Odell
I have done this using hyperterm on an older PC. It produced a comma
delimited file that wasn't too hard to parse into columns and then import
into excel. You need to make sure there is a CR/LF after each sentence. I
haven't explored terminal programs on a more modern PC but I'm sure they are
do-able.

Regards,

Morris (VK3DOC)


Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 05:48:09 +1100
From: Nic McLean mclea...@bigpond.com
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] Serial to Excel utility.

Sorry folks for the slightly OT post.

Does anybody know of a utility that will import and parse the serial bit
stream from a GPS and put values into a couple of cells in an Excel
spreadsheet?

Regards,

Nic

VK2KXN / VK5ZAT



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Re: [time-nuts] Serial to Excel utility.

2011-11-06 Thread Thomas Valerio

NP,  http://freecode.com/projects/np  might be a good starting point.


Nic McLean wrote:

Sorry folks for the slightly OT post.

Does anybody know of a utility that will import and parse the serial bit
stream from a GPS and put values into a couple of cells in an Excel
spreadsheet?

Regards,

Nic

VK2KXN / VK5ZAT

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Re: [time-nuts] Serial to Excel utility.

2011-11-06 Thread Don Latham
I've used
http://www.instantexe.com/
which is a scripting language.
Don

Thomas Valerio
 NP,  http://freecode.com/projects/np  might be a good starting point.


 Nic McLean wrote:
 Sorry folks for the slightly OT post.

 Does anybody know of a utility that will import and parse the serial
 bit
 stream from a GPS and put values into a couple of cells in an Excel
 spreadsheet?

 Regards,

 Nic

 VK2KXN / VK5ZAT

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Re: [time-nuts] Serial to Excel utility.

2011-11-06 Thread Don Latham
oops, also forgot to mention Robot Basicc, a freebie that features easy
to use serial port functions.
http://www.robotbasic.org/
Don
Thomas Valerio
 NP,  http://freecode.com/projects/np  might be a good starting point.


 Nic McLean wrote:
 Sorry folks for the slightly OT post.

 Does anybody know of a utility that will import and parse the serial
 bit
 stream from a GPS and put values into a couple of cells in an Excel
 spreadsheet?

 Regards,

 Nic

 VK2KXN / VK5ZAT

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Re: [time-nuts] Serial to Excel utility.

2011-11-06 Thread Nic McLean
Thanks Graham,
Nic


Try poking around here:

http://www.windmillsoft.com/index.html

They have a variety of serial apps and much info on importing to excel.
There might just be something here that is close to what you want.

cheers, Graham




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[time-nuts] Raven Industries GPS in-line L1 Amplifier

2011-11-06 Thread k6rtm
eBay auction for Raven Industries in-line GPS L1 amplifier 

Item number 370437343397 

$25 plus shipping 

Raven Industries Inline GPS Amplifier 
Model LA-12-1575-100N 


http://www.navtechgps.com/Downloads/LA-12-L1L2.pdf 

Female N Connectors on each end 




I've ordered one; he's got around ten remaining. 




73, 




Bob K6RTM 



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Re: [time-nuts] Raven Industries GPS in-line L1 Amplifier

2011-11-06 Thread Michael Perrett
Just be careful on overloading the front end of a GPS receiver. A typical
(what ever that is anymore) GPS receiver has about a maximum of a 15 dB
power bandwidth. If overloading occurs (minor), it might swamp the strong
signals. If you already have an active antenna the extra 12 dB of the
in-line amp may effectively jam all the signals. That said, thanks for
the heads up and I believe I'll get one just to try :).

Michael / K7HIL

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 11:01 PM, k6...@comcast.net wrote:

 eBay auction for Raven Industries in-line GPS L1 amplifier

 Item number 370437343397

 $25 plus shipping

 Raven Industries Inline GPS Amplifier
 Model LA-12-1575-100N


 http://www.navtechgps.com/Downloads/LA-12-L1L2.pdf

 Female N Connectors on each end




 I've ordered one; he's got around ten remaining.




 73,




 Bob K6RTM



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Re: [time-nuts] Precisione GPS based led clock

2011-11-06 Thread Flemming Larsen
A straightforward solution would be to use a string of divide-by-ten and 
divide-by-six BCD counters (HC390).
First divide the 10 MHz output from a GPS receiver down to 100 Hz and feed that 
to  the input of a
divide-by-100 counter for the 1/100 seconds display, then to a divide-by-60 for 
the seconds and so on.
The BCD counters would feed a series of eight CD4511 or equivalent decoders as 
previously suggested.
The 1 PPS output from the GPS, properly stretched, could be used to reset the 
1/100 s counters and to
clock the seconds counter. Pretty straightforward and no display multiplexing, 
but a lot of wiring.
Getting the time from the GPS to the clock circuit would be a little more 
complicated, and would almost
certainly require some kind of microprocessor or PIC. One solution is to 
synchronize the clock to the GPS
once a day at local midnight using the reset inputs to the counters. This would 
be relatively simple to do with
a PIC, I would think, and would still leave the clock section alone, without 
the need for complicated wiring
or deciphering of the display.
I designed a similar clock, although without the 1/100 s digits display and 
using an OCXO rather than a GPS
receiver. In the end I used an MK50250N clock chip I purchased on eBay, same 
chip I used back in 1974
to build a small alarm clock. This clock chip uses a multiplexed display, which 
might not work with a video
recorder or camera.

-- Flemming Larsen




Fra: paolo.mart...@alice.it paolo.mart...@alice.it

yes, I am working with for a timestamp on a FireWire Camera (MARLIN CAMERA)
Unfortunately no  free software can timestamp frame withouth data loss.
My camera is unable to carry out  an atuomatic timestamp (it is and old 
version).
Thank you for info
Paolo Martini 
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[time-nuts] Serial to Excel utility

2011-11-06 Thread Joe Leikhim
Try this or datawedge

http://www.taltech.com/products/winwedge


Sent from my iPod

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Re: [time-nuts] Raven Industries GPS in-line L1 Amplifier

2011-11-06 Thread David J Taylor
Just be careful on overloading the front end of a GPS receiver. A 
typical

(what ever that is anymore) GPS receiver has about a maximum of a 15 dB
power bandwidth. If overloading occurs (minor), it might swamp the 
strong

signals. If you already have an active antenna the extra 12 dB of the
in-line amp may effectively jam all the signals. That said, thanks for
the heads up and I believe I'll get one just to try :).

Michael / K7HIL


No need to worry about overloading here - the ** won't send to the UK.

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