Re: [time-nuts] Clocking a PIC16F628A from a Rubidium Standard

2011-11-26 Thread Orin Eman
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Robert Atkinson robert8...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi, Microchip cerainly condone using input protection diodes of PIC devices as clamps. There are application notes for zero-crossing detection which connect the input to the 115V AC line via a resistor. Note that

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies - dont' use Electrolytics

2011-11-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message cabbxvhvnsaxbx5uorjtqesttd50yedyavkgxh52bpspuayt...@mail.gmail.com , Chris Albertson writes: One question: How does one avoid using electrolytic caps if you need (say) 1,000uF or even 100uF. Those would be some mighty big film caps. One detail, often overlooked, is that

Re: [time-nuts] DGPS@home

2011-11-26 Thread Hal Murray
If you do a test, let us know your findings. I think the answer will depend upon how good the location is. If the limitation is ionosphere delays, two units near each other should have similar errors. If the limitation is multipath, being near each other probably won't help much. ---

Re: [time-nuts] DGPS@home

2011-11-26 Thread Steve .
Hal, Those sure look like GNU plot graphs :) Sorry, i didn't mean to change subjects but i do like gnu plot. Steve On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 4:20 AM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: If you do a test, let us know your findings. I think the answer will depend upon how good the

[time-nuts] Fw: Clocking a PIC16F628A from a Rubidium Standard

2011-11-26 Thread Robert Atkinson
- Forwarded Message - From: Robert Atkinson robert8...@yahoo.co.uk To: Orin Eman orin.e...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, 26 November 2011, 12:21 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Clocking a PIC16F628A from a Rubidium Standard Hi, Absolute max I understand, but even at 10% of Abs max you have

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies - dont' use Electrolytics

2011-11-26 Thread Bob Paddock
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 2:13 AM, gary li...@lazygranch.com wrote: At sane temperatures, OSCONs are very good. Who runs their gear hot enough to boil water? National Fire Protection Agency (NFPA) 2007 edition of their design regulations state the electronics worn by Fire Fighters must work at

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Monitoring for Pocket PC

2011-11-26 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Justin, You are not the only one! I have a Thunderbolt and a couple of iPaqs. The program looks great. I'm considering gutting a unit and building it into the case with my T-Bolt. They are available used at minimal cost. Thank you for making this avialable. Robert  G8RPI.

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Monitoring for Pocket PC

2011-11-26 Thread Justin Pinnix
Thanks Robert. Another fellow also replied privately with the enclosure idea. That sounds like a good idea, but make sure you leave some way to punch the reset button on the bottom of the iPaq from outside the case. Before I got shutdown working, that was the only way to get the serial port

Re: [time-nuts] PC time app

2011-11-26 Thread Jim Lux
On 11/25/11 9:56 PM, Steve . wrote: I'm curious as to what folks are doing with PC's that require micro second accuracy for days or weeks or what have you. Any examples? not microseconds, but milliseconds... Running multi-day tests in a spacecraft testbed where you've got PC-based test

Re: [time-nuts] Vectron 217-9043 10MHz OCXO

2011-11-26 Thread Ziggy
Hijacking my own thread back here :) Thanks for tip - I did know about Skycraft, and I think there was another in the Orlando area, but I wasn't able to make the trip over that way before I had to leave town. Back on topic though, if anyone has an old catalog, or some other source of info on

Re: [time-nuts] SDR GPS

2011-11-26 Thread jks
Quoting Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk: Has any of you played with this: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/8238 www.gpscreations.com/Products_GPS1A.html looks like a version you can still purchase. But for the $500 they want I'd spend a little more and get a real SDR

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Monitoring for Pocket PC

2011-11-26 Thread Kevin Rosenberg
On Nov 25, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Justin Pinnix wrote: A while back, I scored an old Compaq iPaq Pocket PC for cheap at an auction. Recently, I wrote a program for it that reads the time and health information from a Thunderbolt and displays it in real-time. More info available here:

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Monitoring for Pocket PC

2011-11-26 Thread Robin Kimberley
I was going to ask a similar question as I have a Fujitsu Siemens LOOX 420 pocket PC. Wouldn't probably make more than £10 on EBay, so it's worth more to me to do something like this with it. Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Clocking a PIC16F628A from a Rubidium Standard

2011-11-26 Thread Don Latham
Come on, folks. never hook anything directly to the power line. The source is just too stiff. Use an opto. I used fiber optic isolation with my big DC power supply. Don Orin Eman On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Robert Atkinson robert8...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi, Microchip cerainly condone

[time-nuts] Low noise power supplies - dont' use Electrolytics

2011-11-26 Thread ed breya
Off topic: Actually, you can make almost anything withstand almost any conditions TEMPORARILY - it depends on the packaging too. If you wrap a circuit that can work at 100 deg C in a water jacket wrapped in high temperature insulation, you can keep it going until most of the water has boiled

Re: [time-nuts] Clocking a PIC16F628A from a Rubidium Standard

2011-11-26 Thread Kevin Rosenberg
On Nov 26, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Don Latham wrote: Come on, folks. never hook anything directly to the power line. The source is just too stiff. Use an opto. I used fiber optic isolation with my big DC power supply. I don't disagree on isolation. I will say that Atmel's (and presumably

Re: [time-nuts] PC time app

2011-11-26 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Steve . iteratio...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious as to what folks are doing with PC's that require micro second accuracy for days or weeks or what have you. The way you get the reliability is easy, it just cost money. You set up multiple servers each with its

[time-nuts] Clocking a PIC16F628A from a Rubidium Standard

2011-11-26 Thread ed breya
How did such a trivial circuit function for a one-unit application trigger such a large philosophical discourse? I guess I'll put my one-cent's worth in too. If you were designing to make a mission-critical item, or millions of units, then every part and every penny would count, so the finesse

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies - dont' use Electrolytics

2011-11-26 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Raj vu2...@gmail.com wrote: How about this way: Amplifying capacitance.. (Base/Ground cap * Beta) http://sound.westhost.com/project15.htm The above actually uses several quite large electrolytic. It is a good example of why you NEED to use them. Maybe

Re: [time-nuts] DGPS@home

2011-11-26 Thread Chris Albertson
Maybe you can figure out for use how long one must average the data to get down to a given position accuracy. The fact that you have a poor location is good. You are generating real-world numbers.If I use my GPS I find the location never moves more then a few inches at most. I have a roof

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Monitoring for Pocket PC

2011-11-26 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi, Runs OK on both my HP iPaq H2200 (Pocket PC 2003 Ver. 4.20)and Compaq iPaq 3950 (Pocket PC 2002 Ver. 3.0) Robert G8RPI. From: Kevin Rosenberg ke...@rosenberg.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent:

Re: [time-nuts] Clocking a PIC16F628A from a Rubidium Standard

2011-11-26 Thread Tom Van Baak
Come on, folks. never hook anything directly to the power line. The source is just too stiff. Use an opto. I used fiber optic isolation with my big DC power supply. Don I used to agree, until actually tried it myself. Now this is how I do my picPET 60 Hz data logging: Simple 60 Hz AC Mains

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Monitoring for Pocket PC

2011-11-26 Thread Don Latham
Gee. I have an old Jornada palm with windows CE. Might work if i gan generate a serial interface? Don Robert Atkinson Hi, Runs OK on both my HP iPaq H2200 (Pocket PC 2003 Ver. 4.20)and Compaq iPaq 3950 (Pocket PC 2002 Ver. 3.0) Robert G8RPI. From:

Re: [time-nuts] Clocking a PIC16F628A from a Rubidium Standard

2011-11-26 Thread Don Latham
well, grudgingly. only need the 1 meg to the hot side of the line, no connection to the neutral needed, with 1 meg in there, normal ground connections are going to supply the low side...It still lurks... Don Tom Van Baak Come on, folks. never hook anything directly to the power line. The source

Re: [time-nuts] Clocking a PIC16F628A from a Rubidium Standard

2011-11-26 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Don: Not a good idea. There are a number of fault conditions that can cause Neutral to be tens of volts above ground. Tom's circuit with a Meg in both the Hot and Neutral lines is much safer for you equipment. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com

Re: [time-nuts] DGPS@home

2011-11-26 Thread Hal Murray
Maybe you can figure out for use how long one must average the data to get down to a given position accuracy. The fact that you have a poor location is good. You are generating real-world numbers. I'll be glad to provide lots of crappy data if anybody wants to play with it. --

Re: [time-nuts] PC time app

2011-11-26 Thread Dennis Ferguson
On 25 Nov, 2011, at 21:56 , Steve . wrote: I'm curious as to what folks are doing with PC's that require micro second accuracy for days or weeks or what have you. Any examples? Curious, Steve I have a PCI-X board with an FPGA which implements a clock running at 320 MHz. The 320 MHz can

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies - dont' use Electrolytics

2011-11-26 Thread Jim Lux
On 11/26/11 11:13 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Rajvu2...@gmail.com wrote: How about this way: Amplifying capacitance.. (Base/Ground cap * Beta) http://sound.westhost.com/project15.htm The above actually uses several quite large electrolytic. It is a good

Re: [time-nuts] Clocking a PIC16F628A from a Rubidium Standard

2011-11-26 Thread Steve .
This area (SW Pennsylvania) we do not have galvanic ground distribution. So when a neutral is damaged all the load is forced back to the ground near the source. After some time the ground rod is completely corroded and does not provide a reliable earth sink. At this point there is no earth, and

Re: [time-nuts] Clocking a PIC16F628A from a Rubidium Standard

2011-11-26 Thread Don Latham
Sorry, Brooke-I was not clear. I meant to not connect anything to neutral at all, but rather to depend on the ground connection already made in the equipment for the low side of the signal, rather than a 1 meg to neutral at the plug. Sorry. Don Brooke Clarke Hi Don: Not a good idea. There are

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Monitoring for Pocket PC

2011-11-26 Thread WA7NE
Hi Justin, Great stuff. I have several iPaqs and a Thunderbolt so I will be giving this a try. I've been saving several iPaqs for just such a possibility. I'm not very adept at programming but I did manage to program a simple calculator for my iPaq using MS eMbedded several years ago just to

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Monitoring for Pocket PC

2011-11-26 Thread Justin Pinnix
Hi Guys, Several questions here about models. I'll do my best to answer. I'm using an iPaq 3825, so I know for sure it works there. Robert reports success on the iPaq 2200 and 3950. Thanks Robert! I looked up the Fujitsu Siemens LOOX 420. It's an ARM type processor, so I suspect it would

Re: [time-nuts] DGPS@home

2011-11-26 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: Pure brute force would compute the center of mass and then scan all the data points computing the distance...  That's an N-squared process which might take too long with a large clump of data.  For offline research like

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Monitoring for Pocket PC

2011-11-26 Thread Chris Albertson
As long as you are willing to use a micro controller, I think the best way to make a status display is to have to controller maintain a web page. Then just about any pock device you own can look at the status page. Sometimes it makes sense to put an LCD on a device. I think only if the user

Re: [time-nuts] DGPS@home

2011-11-26 Thread WB6BNQ
Or an alcohol sensor ! BillWB6BNQ Chris Albertson wrote: snip GPS is never going to be exact. Or I should say you don't know the exact lat. long. for every place you want to go. So to find something like a bear bottle in your refrigerator you need vision Chris Albertson Redondo

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Monitoring for Pocket PC

2011-11-26 Thread Don Latham
Hi Justin: Unsure about the Jornada - there were numerous models. If you don't have a serial port, that's going to be a problem. Perhaps you do and it's a matter of cabling? Which model number is yours? I have a 568, and there is a serial cable, also USB for sync. I can try it out when I