Re: [time-nuts] eBay Ublox

2012-01-03 Thread Azelio Boriani
Yes, no TRAIM on the uBlox but I haven't seen the TRAIM alarm kicking in on the Motorola/iLotus M12M so I think that for our experiments the uBlox is fine. Even better, have the two: the Motorola/iLotus and the uBlox. On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 2:37 AM, k4...@aol.com k4...@aol.com wrote: The

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt? (re simple gpsdo.)

2012-01-03 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Hal wrote: Does anybody know anything about the temperature coefficients of large caps? I'm not interested in the frequency shift of the filter as the temperature but the voltage shift due to a fixed charge as the capacitance changes. The common rule of thumb is thousands of ppm per degree

[time-nuts] seek info 'DSP technology' and other modules

2012-01-03 Thread Luis Cupido
Hope you all had a great entering in 2012. Googling around I could not find any tech info on any of the transiac or DSP technology modules (I could find only many surplus sales...) these are late eighties camac modules... I have no clue if the companies exist or changed names or extinct etc.

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680a 3pay 36.89 includes shipping. Finally ordered one

2012-01-03 Thread Robert Benward
I got mine for around $25 in a regular bidding affair. Mine had trouble locking, It only locked a handful of times, and that took forever, but most of the time it just sat there and cooked. The seller replaced it and the new locks up in 2 or 3 minutes. I did not have to ship the old one

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt? (re simple gpsdo.) capacitors

2012-01-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Using electrolytic caps in timing applications is a bit exciting. Their leakage current changes each time you change the voltage on them. It's enough of a change to significantly impact long time constants. In some cases the capacitance changes with voltage as well. Temperature stability of

Re: [time-nuts] eBay Ublox

2012-01-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I believe that more than just TRAIM goes away when you get the not a T version of the uBlox receivers. You probably should check the jitter on the 1 pps output ... Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Azelio Boriani

Re: [time-nuts] How to read Isotemp OXCO131 part numbers?

2012-01-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi More or less: 1) Customer request comes in 2) Custom part number is assigned 3) Prototype ships 4) Customer is tied to custom number This accomplishes a couple of things. It eliminates transcription orders (or at least makes them more obvious). It also can lock out competition and reverse

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt? (re simple gpsdo.) capacitors

2012-01-03 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi Using electrolytic caps in timing applications is a bit exciting. Their leakage current changes each time you change the voltage on them. It's enough of a change to significantly impact long time constants. In some cases the

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt? (re simple gpsdo.) capacitors

2012-01-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi No argument there, but this thread has wandered a bit. If you are depending on the capacitor to provide a specific time constant, then you will have issues. If the control loop is not impacted by the changes, then they will track out. Often it's not quite an either / or, but a some of this

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680a 3pay 36.89 includes shipping. Finally ordered one

2012-01-03 Thread Peter Gottlieb
If you don't want the bad one I would be interested so I could disassemble and diagram it out. I don't want to do that to a good one. On 01/03/12, Robert Benwardrbenw...@verizon.net wrote: I got mine for around $25 in a regular bidding affair. Mine had trouble locking, It only

Re: [time-nuts] eBay Ublox

2012-01-03 Thread Azelio Boriani
Oh no, I was speaking always of timing version GPSes. For non timing version GPSes you loose the position-hold timing mode too. uBlox has T-RAIM in the LEA6-T version. In the block diagram of uBlox GPSes they show the option XTAL/TCXO for their receivers. Although not stated, I believe that the

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680a 3pay 36.89 includes shipping. Finally ordered one

2012-01-03 Thread John Beale
On 1/3/2012 8:20 AM, Robert Benward wrote: I got mine for around $25 in a regular bidding affair. Mine had trouble locking, It only locked a handful of times, and that took forever, but most of the time it just sat there and cooked. The seller replaced it and the new locks up in 2 or 3 minutes.

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt? (re simple gpsdo.) capacitors

2012-01-03 Thread WarrenS
this thread has wandered a bit. The thread was originally for Simple... Bottom line is that electrolytic caps can be made to work fine for a SIMPLE analog controller built for home NUT use, Not recommended for space or critical life support applications, or any production thing. Besides

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt? (re simple gpsdo.) capacitors

2012-01-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 80B26DC756AA45DD84E4EB9E14B58998@Warcon28Gz, WarrenS writes: The leakage current noise I measured was way below insignificant when things are properly scaled. Really stupid question: Couldn't the double condensor from voltage references trick be used to eliminate the leakage

Re: [time-nuts] eBay Ublox

2012-01-03 Thread SAIDJACK
Yes, and the new uBlox timing GPS have a software jamming sensor and indicator which the Motorola/iLotus products do not have, and they are much easier to get to work at a users' site than the Motorola parts, and much more robust against jamming than the Motorola timing GPS. We have done

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A clock shaping (sine - square wave)

2012-01-03 Thread David
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 07:01:13 +0100, ehydra ehy...@arcor.de wrote: David schrieb: I could analyze it on SPICE but I suspect the real world construction parasitics will be what limits the performance. I just sketched it out in my notebook but I will see if I can post it somewhere. Is there a

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680a 3pay 36.89 includes shipping. Finally ordered one

2012-01-03 Thread Robert Benward
Peter, Sure, If I can have a copy of what you produce. Send me your address. I assume you are in the US? If you look on Ebay, this is one of those that was mounted on a PCB with an aux 68MHz osc and DB9 connector. Bob - Original Message - From: Peter Gottlieb n...@verizon.net

Re: [time-nuts] How to read Isotemp OXCO131 part numbers?

2012-01-03 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 02/01/2012 23:53:41 GMT Standard Time, azelio.bori...@screen.it writes: Yes, seems difficult to find the differences but I've found at least the 131-2: http://w9fz.com/ham/OCXO131-2Spec.pdf -- Some more here.

Re: [time-nuts] How to read Isotemp OXCO131 part numbers?

2012-01-03 Thread Azelio Boriani
Yes, found others but, for example, we use the 131-40 and have the datasheet: can't find it from those URLs. You can find 131-42 131-45 and 131-1000, 1001, 1002 and so on. Our 131-40 was not made for us but decided to use it with the permission of the original customer to increase the order

[time-nuts] crunching numbers from XOR phase detector

2012-01-03 Thread John Beale
Previously I have been comparing 10 MHz frequencies using TvB's picPET device plus a picDIV divider to get a 1 PPS signal, but I wanted more resolution for comparing relative drift of two Rb references. I got square wave outputs from my references (see my previous posts) and I made a simple

[time-nuts] FE-5680A dumb question...

2012-01-03 Thread Brian, WA1ZMS
My E-bay FE-5680A finally arrived. (4weeks later) Of the pins on the DB-9 connector, which one is the RF output? The manual only talks about an SMA output. I know this has been talked about before, but I cannot find the thread. Thanks in advance sorry for bandwidth, -Brian, WA1ZMS

Re: [time-nuts] crunching numbers from XOR phase detector

2012-01-03 Thread Tom Van Baak
There is some nonlinearity but it seems consistent from cycle to cycle. I might be able to reduce the bumps with better circuit layout, shorter wires, terminated lines etc. But just for playing around with my initial data, I think I can model the shape of the response and get a more accurate

Re: [time-nuts] crunching numbers from XOR phase detector

2012-01-03 Thread Steve .
Having access to two Rb sources and looking at phase shift and jitter is something I find interesting. Has anyone fed two Rb sourced 10mhz signals in to a high-z an op-amp and looked at the output on a SA ? Should probably have at least 100mhz bw on the SA in order to see the events. A few tests

[time-nuts] Navsync CW-12 GPS Board - I don't believe it!!

2012-01-03 Thread Ed Palmer
In the past I've mentioned the Navsync CW-12 GPS board. Oncore M12 drop-in replacement, 1 PPS ( measured Standard Deviation 5 ns., range ~ 30 ns. from min to max for 1000 measurements), and a 10 MHz output that's 'steered by the GPS receiver'. The recent discussions about a cheap, simple

Re: [time-nuts] eBay Ublox

2012-01-03 Thread Gary Chatters
On 12/31/2011 07:41 PM, lstosk...@cox.net wrote: UBLOX TIM-CJ module TIM-ST GPS engine Jupiter footprint After finding these, and buying a couple, I found item 220915477952 U-Blox RCB-LJ receiver boards, cheaper ($9) and (I think) newer. If I have the spec sheets figured out, the TIM-CJ

Re: [time-nuts] FE 5680a 3pay 36.89 includes shipping. Finally ordered one

2012-01-03 Thread Robert Benward
Hi John, I did you what you suggested and it locks now. I tweaked so that the output is only 10-20Hz above 10MHz. It seems to lock on the way down from the peak (high) frequency, it doesn't seem to lock on the way up. It seems to agree with one of your plots, but no the other. You don't

Re: [time-nuts] Navsync CW-12 GPS Board - I don't believe it!!

2012-01-03 Thread gary
Wait...they said it is good enough for government work? This is an interesting discovery, but I wonder if this is intentional for some not so obvious reason. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to