Re: [time-nuts] Signal Hound

2013-04-15 Thread Don Latham
Hi Jim: I have one of the earlier versions of this instrument, along with its companion signal generator. Although the software has some annoying glitches at present, I've found it useful around the shop. There;s a user group on Yahoo, and I think the factory is getting ready to open the software

Re: [time-nuts] Signal Hound

2013-04-15 Thread Orin Eman
There is a yahoo group for the Signal Hound. For one user, the original Signal Hound showed really poor phase noise performance with an external reference with the internal reference always being better... see the External ref vs internal ref.pdf document on the yahoo group for details. The plot

Re: [time-nuts] spectracom PicoTime

2013-04-15 Thread Bob Camp
Hi We have one and I've used it. You have to be a bit careful reading the specs. It does one set of things with an attached counter and another running as a self contained box. The specs are correct, but you have to be careful about which set the number on this or that page comes from. Bob

[time-nuts] Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-15 Thread Lachlan Gunn
Hello all. Having spent some time working over the last year on GPS time stability measurement, I'm keen to move onwards and upwards and have a go at common-view time transfer. While my receivers are in the post, I have thinking about my next direction. One thought that I have had is to try

[time-nuts] UPDATE: DATUM 9390-52054 Grief again...

2013-04-15 Thread Burt I. Weiner
Another update... I wanted to post more in the hopes that it may help someone else with similar problems. I told you about adding the simple voltage divider to reduce the drive to the circuits following the replacement of the original oscillator module. When I thought all was well I put the

Re: [time-nuts] Brooks Shera ASM release

2013-04-15 Thread EWKehren
Alan You may suggest something to time nuts, looking at the response I doubt it and ask my self why did three of us spend three weeks to fully check it out and fix some of the code. Will reflect future projects. Bert Kehren In a message dated 4/12/2013 8:39:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

Re: [time-nuts] Brooks Shera ASM release

2013-04-15 Thread David McGaw
Hi Bert, Just because there was not much response to this inquiry does not mean that your efforts are not appreciated. Considering how many requested the earlier code (many in person to myself) I expect your work is VERY MUCH appreciated. Thank you, David On 4/15/13 3:17 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] Brooks Shera ASM release

2013-04-15 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 04/15/2013 10:00 PM, David McGaw wrote: Hi Bert, Just because there was not much response to this inquiry does not mean that your efforts are not appreciated. Considering how many requested the earlier code (many in person to myself) I expect your work is VERY MUCH appreciated. I for one

Re: [time-nuts] Brooks Shera ASM release

2013-04-15 Thread Arnold Tibus
Hi Bert, I do fully support David's opinion, I appreciate very much all the past and future work on this subject like all other developments in the group, so please don't stop, it made me happy when I got the code list in your past mail! Thank you very much, regards, Arnold, DK2WT am

Re: [time-nuts] Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-15 Thread Magnus Danielson
Lachlan, This would be fun to try with a few sites involved. It requires a fairly decent GPS and antenna at each location, and loging and then post-processing. Would be fun to see how well it can be made to perform. Cheers, Magnus On 04/15/2013 02:55 PM, Lachlan Gunn wrote: Hello all.

Re: [time-nuts] Signal Hound

2013-04-15 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 04/15/13 04:39 AM, Jim Lux wrote: Inexpensive USB spectrum analyzer.. http://www.signalhound.com/ It's not that inexpensive. I assembled a 22 GHz spectrum analyzer based on the HP 7 modular measurement system for about the same money. The 22 Ghz tracking generator module is very

Re: [time-nuts] Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-15 Thread Bob Camp
Hi One common requirement is a receiver that will give you per satellite information that you can turn into time. About the only way around that is to pre-determine a set of sats and flag the rest as do not use. With the second approach, various geometric issues can get a bit exciting. Either

Re: [time-nuts] Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-15 Thread Mark Spencer
I'd be interested in understanding what it would take to participate in this type of experiment.   I'm unlikely to have any free time for this over the next several months but if for example there was a particular GPS receiver that was well suited for this type of work that would be useful

Re: [time-nuts] Brooks Shera ASM release

2013-04-15 Thread Alan Melia
Ok Bert I will stick my head above the parapet and repeat that query.Sometimes it is frustarting the get no response, but later get personal appreciation as you meet individuals. I didn't know the guy. I was trying with a friend to contact him long after the original article. We were

Re: [time-nuts] Brooks Shera ASM release

2013-04-15 Thread Alan Melia
Bert I am grateful for the work you and friends have done. Is there any way we can add our names to some expression of thanks from members of the Group to his widow Karen and her helpers for their work in making the checked source code for the GPSDO available to us and maybe leave a token of

Re: [time-nuts] Brooks Shera thanks options

2013-04-15 Thread Chris Howard
The online obit at http://www.santafefuneraloption.com/sitemaker/sites/santaf0/obit.cgi?user=949646Shera says, Memorials may be made to the University of Chicago Laboratory Schools, the Sierra Club, or any organization of the Donor’s choice. University of Chicago Laboratory Schools

Re: [time-nuts] Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-15 Thread Lachlan Gunn
My inclination is that one would need three things to participate in such a system---   1. A GPS receiver.    2. A local reference oscillator.    3. A way to measure their relative phase. I understand that the Thunderbolt can perform all of these functions, so expect that this would be the

Re: [time-nuts] Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-15 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Unfortunately there's more to it than that. Unless both TBolts are looking at the same sats, they will get very different answers. Ideally you want to compare single sats, and have very precise station locations. That lets you eliminate a lot of geometric stuff and individual sat errors.

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 105, Issue 47

2013-04-15 Thread M. Simon
Near the bottom of this is a bit on the UC lab school.   Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit. From: time-nuts-requ...@febo.com time-nuts-requ...@febo.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013

Re: [time-nuts] Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-15 Thread Lachlan Gunn
Hello. I'm starting with a Resolution T, which claims to offer a single-satellite mode. I gather that it's not an amazing receiver, but I'm hoping it will be good enough for a first foray at least. I'm rather hoping that it will do well, though, since it would mean a cheapish way of making a

Re: [time-nuts] Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-15 Thread Hal Murray
lach...@twopif.net said: I'm starting with a Resolution T, which claims to offer a single-satellite mode. I gather that it's not an amazing receiver, but I'm hoping it will be good enough for a first foray at least. I'm rather hoping that it will do well, though, since it would mean a

Re: [time-nuts] Brooks Shera ASM release

2013-04-15 Thread EB4APL
Bert, As one of Brooks customers I would like to express my thanks to him for his generous work (fortunately I did it when we contacted in early 2009), and also now to thank you and the others who made possible to finally have his code, including the efforts to fix and test it. And of course

Re: [time-nuts] Signal Hound

2013-04-15 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/15/13 1:48 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: On 04/15/13 04:39 AM, Jim Lux wrote: Inexpensive USB spectrum analyzer.. http://www.signalhound.com/ It's not that inexpensive. I assembled a 22 GHz spectrum analyzer based on the HP 7 modular measurement system for about the same money. New

Re: [time-nuts] Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-15 Thread Tom Van Baak
I too would be interested. The topic of common view GPS comes up every now and then. The incentive to use common view time transfer (CVTT) is reduced when plain old time transfer (TT) is so good already. Still, it's worth a try. I'd be curious what level of improvement is possible. It will

Re: [time-nuts] Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-15 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote: I'd be curious what level of improvement is possible. It will depend on the receiver and the antenna. I believe the NIST project uses fancy antennas but normal M12 receivers. So there's hope for the amateur. The M12 is

Re: [time-nuts] Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-15 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/15/13 8:36 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote: I'd be curious what level of improvement is possible. It will depend on the receiver and the antenna. I believe the NIST project uses fancy antennas but normal M12 receivers. So

Re: [time-nuts] Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-15 Thread Tom Van Baak
but what is a fancy antenna? How are they different from a normal timing antena? Google for: NIST SIM GPS common view pinwheel /tvb ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-15 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/15/13 9:27 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: NIST SIM GPS common view pinwheel described in one of the NIST reports as an aperture coupled slot fed array that is better than a patch, but not as large and heavy as a choke ring. W. Kunysz, 2000, “High Performance GPS Pinwheel Antenna,” in

Re: [time-nuts] Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-15 Thread bg
Chris, Chokering is not needed.  Measured quality antennas are listed at      http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/ANTCAL/  Or at         http://www.geopp.de/index.php?sprachauswahl=enbereich=0kategorie=34artikel=62 /Björn Originalmeddelande Från: Chris Albertson

[time-nuts] antennas was Re: Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-15 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/15/13 10:22 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 4/15/13 9:27 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: NIST SIM GPS common view pinwheel described in one of the NIST reports as an aperture coupled slot fed array that is better than a patch, but not as large and heavy as a choke ring. W. Kunysz, 2000, “High