Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 time to lock

2013-08-23 Thread Stephen Tompsett (G8LYB)
Use the RbMon utility to monitor the unit's operation as it starts up to confirm that the lamp is started and the photocell is detecting a signal. Not long ago there were a number of units available for sale on Ebay that appeared to have a lamp problem. On 23/08/2013 02:10, Paul wrote: As I

Re: [time-nuts] Wavecrest DTS-2077 Teardown

2013-08-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Not all semiconductor processes are created equal. In order to get things going faster you change things around. Past a point, those same changes negatively impact the leakage and 1/f noise corner. When all the changes happen, the jitter goes up. That turns it very much into a test it and

[time-nuts] Setting up an HP53132A/TimeLab for Time Interval measurement

2013-08-23 Thread James Robbins
I am having some difficulty setting up my HP53132A to make 1 PPS Time Interval readings. I am outputting them to TimeLab via the counter's talk-only output. TimeLab reads the counter fine and I am able to make plots of 10MHz frequency comparisons. But I need a little help in properly setting up

[time-nuts] 'nuther time related comic

2013-08-23 Thread Collins, Graham
The time nut related comics that were posted the other day where good. I made a note to start keeping track of those and similar ones. And in today's funnies I found this one: http://www.gocomics.com/herman/2013/08/21 Cheers, Graham ve3gtc ___

Re: [time-nuts] 'nuther time related comic

2013-08-23 Thread Mike Feher
TVB probably drew that when he was in kindergarten :). - Mike Mike B. Feher, EOZ Inc. 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 office 908-902-3831 cell -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Collins, Graham Sent:

Re: [time-nuts] Setting up an HP53132A/TimeLab for Time Interval measurement

2013-08-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There are several approaches to doing 1 pps readings - which one are you trying? 1) Feed in two 1 pps signals, have one start and the other stop the counter 2) Feed in a 10 MHz and a 1 pps signal have the 1 pps start and the 10 MHz stop the counter 3) Feed in an accurate 100 Hz and a 1 ps.

Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 time to lock

2013-08-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Pretty much all of the small Rb's that I have seen (LPRO, FE 56xx's, PRS-10's) lock up in under 10 minutes if they are running properly at room temperature. Most system level specs seem to want them to be doing something in under 10 minutes. They are fairly far off at lock, but converge to

[time-nuts] Yb clock - NPR Story on Atomic Clocks

2013-08-23 Thread Frank Stellmach
Wow, this new type of clock is not even 100 times more longterm stable than the Cs fountain clock, it's even short-term stable as a H-maser, obviously. In the NIST article: http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/clock-082213.cfm it's told, that the 1s instability is the same as the 400,000 sec or 5

[time-nuts] PRS10 time to lock

2013-08-23 Thread cdelect
Paul, The datasheet says it should lock in under 6 minutes. You may have the lamp assy problems that have been posted before. Corby ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Yb clock - NPR Story on Atomic Clocks

2013-08-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Optical clocks keep getting a little bit better each time they try this or that. They still have a way to go before you will have one running 24/7/365 without it costing more than even NIST can afford to spend. Bob On Aug 23, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Frank Stellmach frank.stellm...@freenet.de

[time-nuts] Austron 1120S Pinout

2013-08-23 Thread Ed Palmer
I just received an Austron 1120S oscillator. Since the 1120 has an 8-pin octal tube plug, I was surprised to find that the 1120S has a 9-pin miniature tube plug. So, before I let the magic smoke out, does anyone have the pinout for an 1120S and/or any info on any equipment it might have been

Re: [time-nuts] RFTGm-II-Rb - can you gps discipline it without the XO module?

2013-08-23 Thread Alan Kamrowski II
Hi Guido, Do you have any idea why the unit interprets the date 7168 (0x1c00) days into the future? If I send it today's date in the correct Motorola format, this is how many days it adds to it. If I change the date to try another, it does the same thing. Any idea why? I can correct for it

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Monitor

2013-08-23 Thread Götz Romahn
hallo all, if you are a notorious DIYer, have some soldering skills and know how to program an ATmega8515 microprocessor, have a look at: http://www.g-romahn.de/tbolt2lcd/index.htm for a simple small Thunderbolt monitor cheers Götz Am 17.08.2013 17:53, : This is a repost with a new thread.

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Monitor

2013-08-23 Thread Erno Peres
Hi Götz, very nice handy project, just to watch the TB without a PC. You should have as a KIT . Best regards, Ernie. -Original Message- From: Götz Romahn go...@g-romahn.de To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Fri, Aug 23, 2013 6:52 pm

Re: [time-nuts] Yb clock - NPR Story on Atomic Clocks

2013-08-23 Thread Hal Murray
Optical clocks keep getting a little bit better each time they try this or that. They still have a way to go before you will have one running 24/7/365 without it costing more than even NIST can afford to spend. From Daniel Kleppner's Time Too Good to Be True Physics Today, March 2006

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Monitor

2013-08-23 Thread paul swed
I guess the funny comment here is that yes the monitor can be done on anything including a commodore 64 or apple II. But the thread started with Diddier suggesting a $60 US solution and he would write up and package the boards and parts and thats quite reasonable. Anyone willing to take on the

Re: [time-nuts] Yb clock - NPR Story on Atomic Clocks

2013-08-23 Thread David McGaw
Here is an announcement article: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2013/08/21/science.1240420.full David On 8/23/13 10:51 AM, Frank Stellmach wrote: Wow, this new type of clock is not even 100 times more longterm stable than the Cs fountain clock, it's even short-term stable as a

Re: [time-nuts] RFTGm-II-Rb - can you gps discipline it without the XO module?

2013-08-23 Thread Guido Küppers
Hi Alan,  I haven't seen this behaviour yet, but then I have RFTG shut off for a couple of months since. 7168 is dividible by 7 and the result is 1024. You know the gps week wraps over from 1023 (0x3ff) to 0. Perhaps what you see is the consequence of some software workaround of this problem,

Re: [time-nuts] RFTGm-II-Rb - can you gps discipline it without the XO module?

2013-08-23 Thread mc235960
It can't be a coincidence that it is exactly 7*rollover. Le 23 août 2013 à 17:57, Alan Kamrowski II a écrit : Hi Guido, Do you have any idea why the unit interprets the date 7168 (0x1c00) days into the future? If I send it today's date in the correct Motorola format, this is how many

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2013-08-23 Thread steve
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Re: [time-nuts] RFTGm-II-Rb - can you gps discipline it without the XO module?

2013-08-23 Thread Alan Kamrowski II
Hi Guido and mc235960, It stopped doing it all of a sudden and is now accepting the date properly. I did numerous CPU resets on it and one power down/power up and it still did it. Telling the unit the date was old (1/1/1994) took fine so I kept increasing the year 1999, 2000, 2005, 2015 and

Re: [time-nuts] RFTGm-II-Rb - can you gps discipline it without the XO module?

2013-08-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi According to the guys at Lucent, there were numerous fixes / updates / enhancements of the code in the GPS cards they used. The number they tossed out was hundreds. I suspect that was an exaggeration. Even if it was only dozens there likely are a number of different code images in the

[time-nuts] Yb clock Allan deviation

2013-08-23 Thread Frank Stellmach
Hi, Andrew Ludlow himself was so kind to send me the Sciencexpress article, just a few minutes ago.. A pity that I can't post it here (2.2MB). The Allan deviation is nearly linear, following roughly a 3.2E-16/sqrt(tau) equation (calculated for a single clock). At tau = 1 sec, the

Re: [time-nuts] Yb clock - NPR Story on Atomic Clocks

2013-08-23 Thread John Miles
Don't you just love paying to access research that your taxes already paid for? Gives you a warm, fuzzy feeling all over. :-P -- john, KE5FX Miles Design LLC -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of David McGaw Sent:

Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 time to lock

2013-08-23 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Paul: Use the Rb monitor program to check to see if the unit is in the mode to lock. There's another mode where the Rb is free running and the 1PPS is time stamped. If in this mode there's no lock. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com

Re: [time-nuts] Yb clock - NPR Story on Atomic Clocks

2013-08-23 Thread Didier Juges
An even bigger problem is that once they decide they are not making enough money with it, it won't even be available at any price. Didier KO4BB John Miles j...@miles.io wrote: Don't you just love paying to access research that your taxes already paid for? Gives you a warm, fuzzy feeling all

Re: [time-nuts] Yb clock - NPR Story on Atomic Clocks

2013-08-23 Thread David I. Emery
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 03:03:13PM -0700, John Miles wrote: Don't you just love paying to access research that your taxes already paid for? Gives you a warm, fuzzy feeling all over. :-P Now, now, perhaps it is better to feed the (GOP) pigs than let them ban the research altogether as

Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix

2013-08-23 Thread David I. Emery
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 06:47:07PM -0500, Peter Gottlieb wrote: What I would really like in Windows is a way to lock the configuration and make it more of an appliance which always worked the same way. That way a small board talking to a Thunderbolt would always start up and just run. I

Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix

2013-08-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Pardon my interjection …. but. For a simple TBolt monitor, *any* OS is total overkill. If all you have is a small / simple display - you can't put much up there. For a monitor you don't have a keyboard / mouse / usb touchpad / Bluetooth presentation wand. Nothing to do and nothing to

Re: [time-nuts] Yb clock Allan deviation

2013-08-23 Thread Didier Juges
Frank, You are welcome to upload the article to my web site's manuals pages: Http://WWW.KO4BB.com/manuals Didier KO4BB Frank Stellmach frank.stellm...@freenet.de wrote: Hi, Andrew Ludlow himself was so kind to send me the Sciencexpress article, just a few minutes ago.. A pity that I

Re: [time-nuts] Yb clock - NPR Story on Atomic Clocks

2013-08-23 Thread Tom Van Baak (lab)
All NIST papers are available for free. Makes you happy to be a taxpayer. The one you're talking about is at: http://tf.boulder.nist.gov/general/pdf/2688.pdf /tvb (iPhone4) On Aug 23, 2013, at 3:03 PM, John Miles j...@miles.io wrote: Don't you just love paying to access research that your

Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 time to lock

2013-08-23 Thread Paul
Use the RbMon utility to monitor the unit's operation as it starts up to confirm that the lamp is started and the photocell is detecting a signal. I'm not at all clear how to interpret the output but I think having the FET voltage stuck on 255 means the lamp isn't igniting. It also reports

Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix

2013-08-23 Thread David J Taylor
Hi Pardon my interjection …. but. For a simple TBolt monitor, *any* OS is total overkill. If all you have is a small / simple display - you can't put much up there. For a monitor you don't have a keyboard / mouse / usb touchpad / Bluetooth presentation wand. Nothing to do and nothing to

Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix

2013-08-23 Thread Chris Albertson
There was one just posted here using the Atmel AVR chip. He used a total of about $12 in parts. You could use a TI Launchpad if you don't like soldering and still spend less than $20. And as was said, no OS at al. It is simply not required for such a simple job. If it were me, I remove the

[time-nuts] Torpey Controls CLK-5 Master Clock manual or schematic.

2013-08-23 Thread Merchison Burke
Hello all, I'm looking for a manual with schematics or at least an electronic copy of the schematics. Thank you, Merchison ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to