Re: [time-nuts] CMOS level difference for LTC6957-3 and AD9852

2014-04-25 Thread d0ct0r
Just to confirm: MC100LVEL16 solved the issue with signal levels. On 2014-04-25 14:54, d0ct0r wrote: AD was comparing apples and oranges. The LTC6957-3 has CMOS outputs, which go from 0.2V to Vdd-0.3V (with a 3mA load). Perhaps they were looking at the LTC6957-1 which is LVPECL and would have

Re: [time-nuts] Rb vs.Crystal OCXO

2014-04-25 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 04/25/2014 10:30 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm newer to this forum but I really enjoy reading the discussions. I have a pretty basic question. I'm wondering why one would chose an Rb Oscillator over a traditional OCXO? It does not immediately appear there is a phase noise advantag

Re: [time-nuts] Rb vs.Crystal OCXO

2014-04-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi At least on the Rb I have seen, the phase noise (in to 1 Hz) is generally better if the Rb loop is narrower rather than wider. That of course assumes that the internal OCXO has pretty good phase noise to start. Maybe I’ve been slumming it …. Bob On Apr 25, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Richard (Rick)

Re: [time-nuts] Rb vs.Crystal OCXO

2014-04-25 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
My understanding is that a really good Rb standard use a fairly wide bandwidth loop to control its own internal XO, and therefore improve its close in phase noise to be better than you can get with quartz alone. The Rb standard is able to do this because the S/N ratio of its rubidium vapor frequen

Re: [time-nuts] Rb vs.Crystal OCXO

2014-04-25 Thread paul swed
Welcome to time-nuts. I have to agree with Tom for an out of the box experience. However as so many time-nuts experiment with GPS control of these oscillators you really can get great stability with both today and I believe even better in the future. I like the low power of the xtal oscillator. Th

Re: [time-nuts] Rb vs.Crystal OCXO

2014-04-25 Thread Tom Van Baak
> Hi Everyone, > I'm newer to this forum but I really enjoy reading the discussions. I have > a pretty basic question. > I'm wondering why one would chose an Rb Oscillator over a traditional OCXO? > It does not immediately appear there is a phase noise advantage in the Rb.. > Thanks, > ~Shane Welc

[time-nuts] Rb vs.Crystal OCXO

2014-04-25 Thread Shane Kirkbride
Hi Everyone, I'm newer to this forum but I really enjoy reading the discussions. I have a pretty basic question. I'm wondering why one would chose an Rb Oscillator over a traditional OCXO? It does not immediately appear there is a phase noise advantage in the Rb.. Thanks, ~Shane On Fri, Apr 25, 2

Re: [time-nuts] CMOS level difference for LTC6957-3 and AD9852

2014-04-25 Thread d0ct0r
AD was comparing apples and oranges. The LTC6957-3 has CMOS outputs, which go from 0.2V to Vdd-0.3V (with a 3mA load). Perhaps they were looking at the LTC6957-1 which is LVPECL and would have a rather small swing. The LTC6957-3 should drive the AD9852 if its requirements are as noted below.

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO and holdover

2014-04-25 Thread David McQuate
Some timing GPS units (eg Oncore UT) can be set to omit 1PPS pulses if no satellites are being tracked, or if the RAIM alarm limit is exceeded. Dave On 4/25/2014 10:20 AM, Paul wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: I have noticed skipped 1PPS on the Adafruit GPS also.

Re: [time-nuts] Low SNR GPS reception and cheap LNAs

2014-04-25 Thread Björn Gabrielsson
> On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 12:21:04 -0400 (EDT) > gandal...@aol.com wrote: > >> Coincidentally, I came across this earlier today when looking for some >> MMIC data, perhaps it might be worth a look?... >> >> http://lna4all.blogspot.co.uk/ > > Now that's almost perfect! Only two modifications an

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO and holdover

2014-04-25 Thread Paul
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: > I have noticed skipped 1PPS on the Adafruit GPS also. I've always assumed this could happen but as a result of RF signal loss not a glitch in the gps. So I've started recording event timestamp deltas using the Linux kernel PPS interface.

Re: [time-nuts] CMOS level difference for LTC6957-3 and AD9852

2014-04-25 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
AD was comparing apples and oranges. The LTC6957-3 has CMOS outputs, which go from 0.2V to Vdd-0.3V (with a 3mA load). Perhaps they were looking at the LTC6957-1 which is LVPECL and would have a rather small swing. The LTC6957-3 should drive the AD9852 if its requirements are as noted below. Bo

[time-nuts] CMOS level difference for LTC6957-3 and AD9852

2014-04-25 Thread d0ct0r
To whom it may concern, here is the note regarding of CMOS level difference for two product AD9852 from AD and LT6957 from Linear. My attempts to feed AD9852 directly from LTC6857-3 has failed. AD9852 just ignored the REFCLOCK signal coming from LTC6957-3. So, I'll need to think about some s

Re: [time-nuts] Low SNR GPS reception and cheap LNAs

2014-04-25 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: > On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 08:42:16 -0700 > Chris Albertson wrote: > > > You best bet is to change out the antenna. You can buy them with a > higher > > built-in gain up to about 40dB. > > Buying a better antenna is also on the list. But i would

Re: [time-nuts] Low SNR GPS reception and cheap LNAs

2014-04-25 Thread Attila Kinali
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 12:21:04 -0400 (EDT) gandal...@aol.com wrote: > Coincidentally, I came across this earlier today when looking for some > MMIC data, perhaps it might be worth a look?... > > http://lna4all.blogspot.co.uk/ Now that's almost perfect! Only two modifications and it does

Re: [time-nuts] Low SNR GPS reception and cheap LNAs

2014-04-25 Thread GandalfG8
Coincidentally, I came across this earlier today when looking for some MMIC data, perhaps it might be worth a look?... http://lna4all.blogspot.co.uk/ Regards Nigel GM8PZR In a message dated 25/04/2014 14:28:57 GMT Daylight Time, att...@kinali.ch writes: Hi, I recently bought

Re: [time-nuts] Low SNR GPS reception and cheap LNAs

2014-04-25 Thread Attila Kinali
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 08:42:16 -0700 Chris Albertson wrote: > You best bet is to change out the antenna. You can buy them with a higher > built-in gain up to about 40dB. Buying a better antenna is also on the list. But i would still like to have an LNA, even if it's just to see that it doesn't

Re: [time-nuts] Low SNR GPS reception and cheap LNAs

2014-04-25 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 6:28 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: > Hi, > > I recently bought a bladeRF[1] to experiment a bit with GPS decoding. > > I tried to get GNSS-SDR[2] which seems quite good, but has its flaws. > One of the things was that i cannot seem to get a fix in my environment. > One of the p

Re: [time-nuts] How to accurately measure an oscillator's temperature.

2014-04-25 Thread Didier Juges
The best way is to place the temperature sensor near the part or parts that are the most temperature sensitive. When dealing with something that is already in an oven, that may not be so easy. Didier KO4BB On April 23, 2014 9:37:29 PM CDT, Chris Albertson wrote: >I have both an OCXO and an FE

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom chip scale atomic clock

2014-04-25 Thread Tom Knox
For the sake of discussion let me just add that even if medesigns comments were true of Microsemi, the Microsemi responses on this form have been from long time Time-Nuts who have for years contributed their knowledge to the betterment of the community in the proudest traditions of acadimia. Nev

[time-nuts] Low SNR GPS reception and cheap LNAs

2014-04-25 Thread Attila Kinali
Hi, I recently bought a bladeRF[1] to experiment a bit with GPS decoding. I tried to get GNSS-SDR[2] which seems quite good, but has its flaws. One of the things was that i cannot seem to get a fix in my environment. One of the problems seems that my antenna position is far from optimal. Aparentl

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom chip scale atomic clock

2014-04-25 Thread dlewis
Said: I wish you well in your 'recovery.' My past careers also took me through many of these types of 'anomalies.' Seemingly disastrous in the moment; but, ... then, one goes off to form "GO" teams (or whatever the buzz-word was at the time.) Problems get fixed; designs change; production st

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom chip scale atomic clock

2014-04-25 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/24/14, 11:43 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Jim, On 04/25/2014 05:32 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 4/24/14, 6:26 PM, Said Jackson wrote: Hi Magnus, Bob, Thanks much for your kind words. The failure rate is thankfully so low that we are not greatly alarmed, and Microsemi has been a champ in resolvi

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom chip scale atomic clock

2014-04-25 Thread Chuck Harris
Time for TVB to unsubscribe this Anonymous Coward. -Chuck Harris MailLists wrote: What can be read between the lines: The recently acquired cash cow isn't working exactly as expected/advertised. We still don't have a clue when/if the fundamental (as in physics laws) design (we can't officiall

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom chip scale atomic clock

2014-04-25 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/24/14, 11:14 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 08:33:06 +0300 MailLists wrote: The recently acquired cash cow isn't working exactly as expected/advertised. We still don't have a clue when/if the fundamental (as in physics laws) design (we can't officially blame the cheap Chines

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom chip scale atomic clock

2014-04-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you go back to the original EMXO work done by PTI and Bendix - they had a very similar issue with seals. They worked fine, ran through all the testing, met all the mil spec testing. After sitting on aging for months / years the seal would go “pop” (a nice loud pop) and the vacuum when awa