[time-nuts] Low noise powersupplies

2014-08-07 Thread Ole Petter Ronningen
Hello, all I thought it may be of interest to some of the members of this list that TI is selling evaluation modules for some ultra low noise regulators for $20 in their estore, shipping world wide included. The specs looks pretty decent to me, and I've ordered up a couple of boards to use as

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise powersupplies

2014-08-07 Thread Tom Van Baak
Ole, Thanks for bringing it to our attention. For those that like to click instead of search: http://www.ti.com/tool/TPS7A4701EVM-094 http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/slvu741a/slvu741a.pdf http://www.ti.com/product/tps7a4701 http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tps7a4701.pdf /tvb - Original Message

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise powersupplies

2014-08-07 Thread br...@ko4bb.com
I have a couple of these. however their noise spectral density tends to rise precipitously below 1Hz or so. There are regulators with significantly lower flicker noise. Bruce On August 7, 2014 at 6:35 AM Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote: Ole, Thanks for bringing it to our

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise powersupplies

2014-08-07 Thread David Hooke
Such as? david On 7/08/2014 9:30 PM, bruce-cpdlzquo8hwavxtiumw...@public.gmane.org wrote: I have a couple of these. however their noise spectral density tends to rise precipitously below 1Hz or so. There are regulators with significantly lower flicker noise. Bruce On August 7, 2014

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise powersupplies

2014-08-07 Thread Chris Albertson
Just practical question.. How would one measure noise at this level? If I were evaluate this what would I need? My scope lacks a nV/dev setting so is there some way to tell the difference between this and an LM317? Seriously, what kind of instrumentation would I need before I could measure an

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise powersupplies

2014-08-07 Thread Alexander Pummer
to measure a power supply noise, better to say the noise spectrum, you would need a very large non polarized capacitor and spectrum analyzer, The input of the spectrum analyzer does not like DC, and has low impedance. Since spectrum analyzer's input impedance is usually 50 ohm, for to be able

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise powersupplies

2014-08-07 Thread Bob Stewart
What about a PC sound card? From: Alexander Pummer alex...@ieee.org To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2014 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Low noise powersupplies to measure a power supply

Re: [time-nuts] Effects of noise on EFC line? - Resolved

2014-08-07 Thread Hal Murray
b...@evoria.net said: So, I may throw another cap on it, but it seems to be clean down to what I can measure at the OCXO on my old Tek 455 with an X10 probe. Another thing to consider when chasing that sort of problem: How much are you picking up with your scope probe and/or its ground wire?

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise powersupplies

2014-08-07 Thread Alex Pummer
the PC sound card has limited bandwidth bellow 20Hz and above 20kHz, is nothing and also it is not so noise less like a spectrum analyzer which was made to analyze spectrum and the sound card self is in a relative noisy environment in the PC On 8/7/2014 3:09 PM, Bob Stewart wrote: What

Re: [time-nuts] Effects of noise on EFC line? - Resolved

2014-08-07 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Your EFC line is probably bypassed internally to the OCXO. A 3db modulation bandwidth beyond 1 KHz is unlikely. A modulation bandwidth below 100 Hz is quite possible. Next thing to consider is that the EFC does FM on the OCXO. Phase noise is PM modulation. FM is 1/Fmod relative to PM. If

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies

2014-08-07 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Chris wrote: Just practical question.. How would one measure noise at this level? If I were evaluate this what would I need? Generally, one starts with an extremely low noise amplifier. Note that isolating the very low frequency AC components from the DC component is a substantial

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise powersupplies

2014-08-07 Thread Bob Camp
Hi A low noise chopper stabilized op amp can make a pretty good pre-amp to put in front of a low frequency spectrum analyzer. Something in the 20 to 30 db gain is adequate for most analyzers. That will get you down to a level that’s well below the noise floor on any OCXO I have ever seen.

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise powersupplies

2014-08-07 Thread Alexander Pummer
people who designing low noise PLLs solved that problem a while ego go to Charles Wenzels circuit collections he made a very low noise from DC to a few hundred kHz amplifier just to amplify the phase noise, here is: http://www.techlib.com/files/lowamp.pdf On 8/7/2014 5:05 PM, Bob Camp

Re: [time-nuts] Effects of noise on EFC line? - Resolved

2014-08-07 Thread Alex Pummer
he is on the right truck, just look around in your testing environment, do you have shielded test set up, common ground for all the test gears ? On 8/7/2014 3:58 PM, Hal Murray wrote: b...@evoria.net said: So, I may throw another cap on it, but it seems to be clean down to what I can

Re: [time-nuts] Effects of noise on EFC line? - Resolved

2014-08-07 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bob, I hadn't even considered a filter in the OCXO.  This isn't a 10811, but that's the OCXO I have a schematic of, so I'll assume that's the benchmark.  Following the EFC in, it looks like it goes to a 100K resistor and then tees to the 100pf varicap and a 15pf to the xtal.  Other caps are