Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Rubidium reference source for frequency counter

2014-10-27 Thread wb6bnq
Hello Karen, I think you are confusing and/or mixing the terms "stability" and "accuracy" with respect to your project. It all depends upon your measurement period and the property being measured. A GPSDO will never beat a truly, very high quality OCXO on a short term basis in the stability

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Rubidium reference source for frequencycounter

2014-10-27 Thread Tom Van Baak
Thanks for the explanation. In this case you should buy both a cheap Rb and good OCXO from eBay. This will allow you to explore the resolution of your CNT-91 as well as make several pair-wise plots using TimeLab. Remember that no one frequency reference will suite all occasions. Sometimes the o

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Rubidium reference source for frequency

2014-10-27 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Ryan Stasel wrote: > Chris, > > I’m curious how you have the PLL set up for the 5680 and GPS. Do you have > any schematics, docs, etc? > I used a simplified version of the design posted by Lars Walenius. Simplified in that I took out 90% of the software using onl

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Rubidium reference source for frequency counter

2014-10-27 Thread S. Jackson via time-nuts
Karen, a good double oven OCXO such as Morion etc will give you much better short term stability than most Rudidiums can give you. By a factor of 10 or even 100 sometimes below 10s measurement interval. The Rb's are better anywhere from 100s to many 1000 seconds. bye, Said In a messag

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Rubidium reference source for frequency counter

2014-10-27 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Karen wrote: > Really I am looking for a source with a good short range stability performance between 1 and 10 seconds. I concur with everything Tom wrote. If that is your goal, the best you are likely to do is with a good, free-running (non-disciplined) OCXO. That will have the best stabi

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Rubidium reference source for frequency counter

2014-10-27 Thread Karen Tadevosyan
Many thanks for all your recommendations. Let me provide more details for understanding of my task. I am playing with a GPSDO project on base of uBlox NEO-7M (http://www.ra3apw.ru/ublox-neo-7m-ocxo-gpsdo/) - sorry, text in Russian. One of the main step – ADEV measurement of a developed GPSDO.

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Rubidium reference source for frequency counter

2014-10-27 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Charles: The SRS PRS-10 is based on their 10 MHz SC-10 oscillator. This is what I installed in the Gibbs rack box and made use of it's the power supplies and added down counters to get a 1 PPS output. http://www.thinksrs.com/products/SC10.htm There are options for phase noise and aging and

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Rubidium reference source for frequencycounter

2014-10-27 Thread Tom Van Baak
> Really I am looking for a source with a good short range stability > performance between 1 and 10 seconds. If that is your goal, I'm not sure a cheap rubidium is necessary, or even a good choice. Many plain OCXO have better phase noise and better stability over tau 1 to 10 seconds. Also for

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Rubidium reference source for frequency counter

2014-10-27 Thread Karen Tadevosyan
John, Thank you for the links (I visited few times before) and your recommendations. Really I am looking for a source with a good short range stability performance between 1 and 10 seconds. I will prepare additional description of my task with more details shortly ... Special Thanks for your Tim

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Rubidium reference source for frequency counter

2014-10-27 Thread Karen Tadevosyan
Bert, Thank you for the interesting GPSDO/FE5680A proposal. I will contact you off list. Karen, ra3apw > Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:22:45 -0400 > From: ewkeh...@aol.com > > Karen > To a large degree it depends on what you want to use it for. HP 5065 is > considered top of the line and PRS 10 is

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Rubidium reference source for frequency

2014-10-27 Thread Ryan Stasel
Chris, I’m curious how you have the PLL set up for the 5680 and GPS. Do you have any schematics, docs, etc? I’m currently building a GPSDO based on James Miller’s design, and have a separate box with a 5680 in it (also grabbed from eBay for $40, since it “wouldn’t lock”, which was a simple fix

Re: [time-nuts] Cheap Frequency chip with serial output

2014-10-27 Thread Tim Shoppa
Rather than read the bandswitch, a very common ham radio solution is to have the frequency counter read both the VFO and the crystal oscillator frequency and do the math with the last IF offset as part of the equation. At least one unit can also reads the BFO frequency. Although the low end PIC o

Re: [time-nuts] [Little OT now]Re: Cheap Frequency chip with serial output

2014-10-27 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 4:29 AM, Giuseppe Marullo wrote: > >The Teensy 3 can be programmed using the Arduino software. It's just a > better Arduino, that's it. > > But you say you have a PI. Why not use that? send your final RF to a > zero crossing detector then to a counter in the PI. > I expect

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370, 5371, 5372, 5373

2014-10-27 Thread Pete Lancashire
If you making a list of HP TIAs, don't forget the E1470A -pete On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Stewart Cobb wrote: > This list has a lot of discussion of HP 5370 time-interval counters, > including the BeagleBone CPU upgrade. The usual sources seem to have HP > 5371, 5372, and 5373 units avai

Re: [time-nuts] float chargers for oscillator backup power

2014-10-27 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Based on reports on the earlier Z3xxx’s , I would be careful about the low end of that supply range. There’s still way more range than you would ever need … Bob > On Oct 26, 2014, at 11:42 PM, Bob Stewart wrote: > > Hi Bob, > The little brick says it's happy with 18-36V. > > Bob >

Re: [time-nuts] [Little OT now]Re: Cheap Frequency chip with serial output

2014-10-27 Thread Giuseppe Marullo
>The Teensy 3 can be programmed using the Arduino software. It's just a better Arduino, that's it. > But you say you have a PI. Why not use that? send your final RF to a zero crossing detector then to a counter in the PI. I expect the PI does not have a counter, nor I would know how to set it up

[time-nuts] Fwd: Re: Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-10-27 Thread Götz Romahn
when comparing bottom sides of ref0 and ref1 boards IC U207 near antenna input of ref1 seems to be missing. Goetz Original-Nachricht Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812... Datum: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 22:24:29 + Von: Anthony

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370, 5371, 5372, 5373

2014-10-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Stewart Cobb writes: >Are they actually successor units? Are they upward-compatible with the >5370? Are they more accurate, or less accurate? Is there anything that a >5370 can do that the later units can't? They are much more than the 5370, but the single shot resoluti

Re: [time-nuts] float chargers for oscillator backup power

2014-10-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <6c69adeb-a4d8-4dee-a5d4-aec0fd164...@n1k.org>, Bob Camp writes: >HI > >We seem to have drifted a bit. > >This started out as a supply for the Z3xxx Lucent GPSDO’s. [...] Which, being telco material, is likely built to work exactly the way I described: An unclean, unregulated