Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage - USA

2017-01-01 Thread Jeremy Nichols
Thank you for the detailed analysis, Bill. The voltage measurements I made in my garage laboratory were duplicated by the utility with their meter, which was connected at the service entrance. We each showed voltage in excess of 126 VAC. Date from the (U of Tennessee) Frequency Disturbance Recorder

Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage - USA

2017-01-01 Thread Bill Byrom
There are a couple of recent threads concerning the power line mains voltage standards. After a bit of research and thinking, I have found that this is a complex topic. The simple answer is: * The standard in the US for the past 50 years has been 120/240 V +/- 5% RMS at the service entrance to

Re: [time-nuts] new year crashes

2017-01-01 Thread Hal Murray
m...@alignedsolutions.com said: > Are there "leap second" test sets that non time nuts could use to generate > leap second events during pre commissioning tests ? (I'm envisioning some > form of NTP server that could generate leap second events on command ?) There is a file of leap seconds. Y

Re: [time-nuts] Leap-second capture on laptop

2017-01-01 Thread Sanjeev Gupta
On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 10:44 PM, David Malone wrote: > On Sun, Jan 01, 2017 at 05:05:45AM -0800, Hal Murray wrote: > > gha...@gmail.com said: > > > No NTP was running. > > > What software told the kernel that there was going to be a leap second > at the > > end of the day? > > I guess it was part

Re: [time-nuts] Reproducibility of position data from multiple surveys of HP 58503A GPS receiver

2017-01-01 Thread Christopher Hoover
My 58503A was showing an alarm when I came into the shack this morning. (I forgot to jot down the text on the display.) I cleared the alarm (Shift-Alt) and it otherwise seems 100% happy. -ch 73 de AI6KG On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 7:02 AM, Dr. David Kirkby - Kirkby Microwave Ltd < drkir...@kirkbymicr

Re: [time-nuts] new year crashes

2017-01-01 Thread Mark Spencer
Sorry if this comes across as a bit cynical but... Presumably system functionality during leap second events would be something that is (or could be ?)tested during the pre commissioning phase of a systems implementation ? I would have thought this would be especially important for "emergency

Re: [time-nuts] new year crashes

2017-01-01 Thread Will Kimber
Geoff I have also noted the pips sound different and seem to recall an on air comment about using local time*. The last pip is not always longer. You have also got to watch out for them using off air Freeview satellite transmissions rebroadcast on normal radio stations! Cheers, Will ZL1

Re: [time-nuts] Version 5 wrong leap second

2017-01-01 Thread Michael Blazer
My tbolts/LH also showed 00:00:60. The sequence was: 23:59:59 00:00:60 00:00:00 00:00:01 On 12/31/2016 6:28 PM, Bill Beam wrote: My LH v5.00 showed leap second as 00:00:60 on a Tbolt. Not good Previous June 2015 LH v3.10 correctly showed 23:59:60 If interested, I have screen captures.

Re: [time-nuts] new year crashes

2017-01-01 Thread Kiwi Geoff
Will Kimber wrote: > If you listened to Radio New Zealand National news New Year's day > morning you would have heard then stating there will be 7 pips at 1:00pm. > > However there were only 6 !!! So what happened? I was listening to both of the above events too, and agree with your comments Wil

[time-nuts] MTI 240 OCXO, anyone?

2017-01-01 Thread Bruce Lane
Happy New Year, fellow time-tickers! Would anyone happen to have a spare MTI 240 series OCXO, 10MHz output? I'm looking to upgrade my TS2100. Failing the MTI, what alternates will work? I'd be very surprised if Vectron didn't have an equivalent. Thanks much. -- --- Bruc

[time-nuts] Line Voltage - CSA

2017-01-01 Thread CIW308 VE6OH
Mark, CSA have standards for over and under voltage, Typical no more that 3% over and 5% under if memory serves me. This might help ( http://www.safetyauthority.ca/sites/default/files/csa-fia3660-voltagedropcalc.pdf ) The power companies here in Alberta are generally good about fixing probl

Re: [time-nuts] new year crashes

2017-01-01 Thread Andy ZL3AG via time-nuts
Agreed, but new years eve is a special case for emergency services in particular. On 2/01/2017, at 2:38 AM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > Insertion times that are convenient for some could be a major pain for > others. There is no > single “good” time to insert a leap second. You might argue tha

Re: [time-nuts] Piezo ocxo

2017-01-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi It likely has good phase noise, poor ADEV, and “interesting” temperature performance. Bob > On Jan 1, 2017, at 2:54 PM, Chuck / Judy Burch wrote: > > > A few years ago I built a GPSDO using a Jupiter T and a Piezo Crystal Co. > model 2920136 OCXO. Not having the equipment to test it I

Re: [time-nuts] new year crashes

2017-01-01 Thread Kiwi Geoff
Andy ( ZL3AG ) wrote: > Do they add the leap second at the same moment in time throughout the world, > or are the clocks here in NZ running 13 hours and 1 second ahead of those in > the UK for half of Jan 1st? As far as our "Time Pips" in New Zealand go, it didn't appear to be correct, right from

[time-nuts] Piezo ocxo

2017-01-01 Thread Chuck / Judy Burch
A few years ago I built a GPSDO using a Jupiter T and a Piezo Crystal Co. model 2920136 OCXO. Not having the equipment to test it I have always wondered about the quality of the 2920136. Anyone have any experience with it? Thanks for your help. Chuck ___

Re: [time-nuts] new year crashes

2017-01-01 Thread Will Kimber
Andy, If you listened to Radio New Zealand National news New Year's day morning you would have heard then stating there will be 7 pips at 1:00pm. However there were only 6 !!! So what happened? Cheers and Happy New year, Will ZL1TAO On 01/02/2017 02:07 AM, Andy ZL3AG via time-nuts wrote: I

[time-nuts] Lady Heather 5 leap second video

2017-01-01 Thread Mark Sims
Lady Heather's on-screen clocks "tick" when the GPS time code message comes in. Most receivers send the time code message around 100-250 msecs after the actual 1PPS time. A few (like the Z3801A) send it before the 1PPS time. The Jupiter-T sends it around 1200 msecs after the 1PPS! Heather a

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather 5 leap second video

2017-01-01 Thread Vlad
My video is there: https://youtu.be/2hMy3XoNah4 I am wandering, if anybody else noticed that LH 5.0 watch is little behind of some other relatively good time source ? On my video, you could see my own NIXIE (driving by its own GPS receiver), my hand watch (synched by WWVB), 'xclock' from my

Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage [Was: Anyone (ideally in the UK) ...]

2017-01-01 Thread Mark Spencer
Hi: A few quick comments. I've used a Variac for years at home to drop the line voltage for older equipment with linear power supplies that run hotter than I would like. (My HP5370B's don't fall into that category for me but I can understand why this is an issue for some individuals.) I'

Re: [time-nuts] Leap-second capture on laptop

2017-01-01 Thread Philip Gladstone
I added this message to the Linux kernel near the end of 1993. There is a companion message that indicates the removal of the leap second -- but this has never been seen (except in testing!). In retrospect, it isn't clear that jumping the clock by a second was the right decision, but, at the t

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second - MSF time signal

2017-01-01 Thread Peter Vince
Hmmm, yes, you're absolutely right. Now I'm confused! Peter On 1 January 2017 at 16:21, Deirdre O'Byrne wrote: > Didn't the DUT1 code change from -0.4s during the minute starting 23:58:00 > to +0.6s during the minute starting 23:59:00? > > On 1 January 2017 at 16:06, Peter Vince wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second - MSF time signal

2017-01-01 Thread Deirdre O'Byrne
Didn't the DUT1 code change from -0.4s during the minute starting 23:58:00 to +0.6s during the minute starting 23:59:00? On 1 January 2017 at 16:06, Peter Vince wrote: > Hi Deirdre, > > Well done getting such a clear recording! Yes, the leap-second is > effectively inserted after the DUT1

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second - MSF time signal

2017-01-01 Thread Peter Vince
Hi Deirdre, Well done getting such a clear recording! Yes, the leap-second is effectively inserted after the DUT1 code on MSF as you say, even though that isn't crystal clear from the MSF spec document that David linked to. The DUT1 codes refer to the "current" minute, whilst all the rest of

Re: [time-nuts] Leap-second capture on laptop

2017-01-01 Thread Paul
On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 9:44 AM, David Malone wrote: > On Sun, Jan 01, 2017 at 05:05:45AM -0800, Hal Murray wrote: > > gha...@gmail.com said: > > > No NTP was running. > > > What software told the kernel that there was going to be a leap second > at the > > end of the day? > > I guess it was part

Re: [time-nuts] new year crashes

2017-01-01 Thread Mike Cook
> Le 1 janv. 2017 à 15:13, David Malone a écrit : > > On Sun, Jan 01, 2017 at 12:54:19PM +, Adrian Godwin wrote: >> I wonder if someone wasn't ready for their extra second : > >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38482746 > > If, as the article says, they had to record things manually from > 00

[time-nuts] Lady Heather Question (Basic)

2017-01-01 Thread Russ Ramirez
I've been using Trimble VTS to sync a local server clock to my Thunderbolt. I use the Meinberg NTP server as the time source for the other computers I have. I like the Lady Heather program and what it has to offer, but it does not seem to sync the time to the server clock the way the Timekeeper in

[time-nuts] Observations of NTP during the leap second

2017-01-01 Thread Deirdre O'Byrne
My setup is a raspberry pi running Linux 4.1.19 and ntpd version 4.2.6p5. It's being fed a PPS signal from a GPS receiver, and also checks the time against the ntp pool. For the second starting at 23:59:58.0 UTC, NTP was reporting second number 0xdc12c4fe, and had its leap second flag set. For th

[time-nuts] Devices, apps and programs which properly display the leap second (e.g. 23:59:60 UTC)

2017-01-01 Thread Neal McBurnett
For future reference (since I used the wrong email address when posting this yesterday...): I'd love to share the leap second with my friends. What are some good, easy devices, apps and software which make for a good demo? I'd love to have several of them, on android, iphone, linux, windows,

[time-nuts] GPS receivers and the Leap Second

2017-01-01 Thread Miguel Barbosa Gonçalves
Hi! In my network I have 2 Meinberg M200 clocks and 4 other GPS receivers (1 Sure GPS Evaluation board, 2 Garmin 18 LVC and a uBlox EVK-6N). I recorded the GPS timecode strings across 00:00 UTC to see how they would react to the leap second: Sure GPS timecode="$GPGGA,235955.000,4055.2138,N,00829.

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second - MSF time signal

2017-01-01 Thread Deirdre O'Byrne
Your decoded timecode only has 60 data points for the 61-seconds of the last minute of 2016 UTC, so it's impossible to say what your decoder did with the leap second. (Also I think you have an error in your parity bit for the time for midnight (bit 57B)). The long wave spectrum seems to show the s

Re: [time-nuts] Leapsecond on Apple iOS

2017-01-01 Thread fro75uk--- via time-nuts
I was watching the event on an Apple iPad with an app that was displaying the ntp time together with the difference from Apple time. At the leap second, the ntp app showed 23:59:60 and when I noticed (seconds later, as it coincided with the glasses chinking and the fireworks of New Year), Apple

[time-nuts] Reproducibility of position data from multiple surveys of HP 58503A GPS receiver

2017-01-01 Thread Dr. David Kirkby - Kirkby Microwave Ltd
I put my HP 58503A into an infinite loop where 1) Forced GPS receiver to do a survey (GPS:POS:SURVEY ONCE) 2) Waited until survey was complete (GPS:POS:HOLD? returns 1) This takes about 2 hour. 3) Recorded date (SYST:DATE?), time (SYST:TIME?) and location (GPS:POS?) For about 4 hours before t

Re: [time-nuts] Leap-second capture on laptop

2017-01-01 Thread David Malone
On Sun, Jan 01, 2017 at 05:05:45AM -0800, Hal Murray wrote: > gha...@gmail.com said: > > No NTP was running. > What software told the kernel that there was going to be a leap second at the > end of the day? I guess it was part of systemd? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/systemd-ti

Re: [time-nuts] Leap Second Smear Monitoring

2017-01-01 Thread Adrian Godwin
What's the best way to get a test stream for leap seconds? Would it be feasible to have a small set of NTP servers that insert a leap second every other day and remove it alternately? On 31 Dec 2016 8:41 p.m., "Magnus Danielson" wrote: > Hi, > > Thought I just remind people that an alternative

Re: [time-nuts] A Leap Second is coming

2017-01-01 Thread dikshie
On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Wannes Sels wrote: > Here's mine on my Casio F-91W > http://imgur.com/yjbhXh6 > NICT Japan has a photo: https://twitter.com/NICT_Publicity/status/815378497484955652 Best Regards, Dikshie > On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 4:09 AM Nick Sayer via time-nuts > wrote: > >

Re: [time-nuts] new year crashes

2017-01-01 Thread David Malone
On Sun, Jan 01, 2017 at 12:54:19PM +, Adrian Godwin wrote: > I wonder if someone wasn't ready for their extra second : > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38482746 If, as the article says, they had to record things manually from 00:30 to 05:15 GMT, then I guess it probably wan't leap second relate

Re: [time-nuts] new year crashes

2017-01-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Insertion times that are convenient for some could be a major pain for others. There is no single “good” time to insert a leap second. You might argue that doing it while the financial markets are closed is a good idea. That sort of rules out the middle of the week. You also could argue th

Re: [time-nuts] new year crashes

2017-01-01 Thread Hal Murray
time-nuts@febo.com said: > Do they add the leap second at the same moment in time throughout the world, > or are the clocks here in NZ running 13 hours and 1 second ahead of those in > the UK for half of Jan 1st? It's added at the end of the last day of a month, UTC. That makes if 4PM local tim

Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage [Was: Anyone (ideally in the UK) ...]

2017-01-01 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 1 Jan 2017 11:10, "Hal Murray" wrote: > > The nice thing about the APC units is that they are close to free if you are > already going to purchase a UPS. > > I agree that something like the Dranetz 658 would be better, but a quick peek > at eBay shows prices far beyond what I'm willing to pay.

Re: [time-nuts] new year crashes

2017-01-01 Thread Andy ZL3AG via time-nuts
If so, they should think about adding the leap second on the night of the 2nd wednesday of January, or such a time when things are quieter around the world. Do they add the leap second at the same moment in time throughout the world, or are the clocks here in NZ running 13 hours and 1 second ah

Re: [time-nuts] Leap-second capture on laptop

2017-01-01 Thread Hal Murray
gha...@gmail.com said: > No NTP was running. What software told the kernel that there was going to be a leap second at the end of the day? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, g

[time-nuts] new year crashes

2017-01-01 Thread Adrian Godwin
I wonder if someone wasn't ready for their extra second : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38482746 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions the

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second - MSF time signal

2017-01-01 Thread David Malone
On Sun, Jan 01, 2017 at 02:28:23AM +, Deirdre O'Byrne wrote: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpBxB2Yqh-U Nice. > Starting at 23:58:00 - > A 1000101101001011000111010001110110010110 > B 10001000 > > Starting at 23:59:00

Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage [Was: Anyone (ideally in the UK) ...]

2017-01-01 Thread Hal Murray
The nice thing about the APC units is that they are close to free if you are already going to purchase a UPS. I agree that something like the Dranetz 658 would be better, but a quick peek at eBay shows prices far beyond what I'm willing to pay. > What's the sample rate on your APC UPS? I don't

Re: [time-nuts] Line Voltage [Was: Anyone (ideally in the UK) ...]

2017-01-01 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 1 Jan 2017 05:07, "Chris Albertson" wrote: > > Just a comment for anyone who wants to log line voltage v. time. If > you have an APC "Smart UPS" battery backup unit these will log voltage > and frequency to a file. If the information is for your own use only, that is probably fine. But if y

[time-nuts] Lady Heather 5 leap second video

2017-01-01 Thread Esa Heikkinen
Hi! Trimble thunderbolt and direct on-screen capture with 1 fps from Lady Heather 5 running on Windows XP. 23:59:59 --> 00:00:60 --> 00:00:00 https://youtu.be/pJt8bHAo_yU It doesn't do it beautifully anymore, like older version did: https://youtu.be/DbvMZikqtI4 -- 73s! Esa OH4KJU

[time-nuts] strange leap second failures

2017-01-01 Thread Mike Cook
Hi, I guess you have all seen some servers that didn’t make it. I detected 6 including one at the paris observatory . Some were corrected or corrected themselves and some just stopped serving. There must be hundreds out there :-( ___ time-nuts m

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second results

2017-01-01 Thread Ben
I saw it too, here in UTC+1 it went to 01:00:60. But the logging was correct. 23:59:59 167.06974e-09 0.0180810.611410 36.720154 5 23:59:60 176.99192e-09 -0.008905 0.611410 36.720184 5 00:00:00 186.85744e-09