Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TICC boxed (input protection)

2017-04-10 Thread David
On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 16:30:38 -0400, you wrote: >David wrote: > >> I mentioned this in connection with some manufacturers using gold >> doping in transistors which would not normally be expected to have >> gold doping. So you end up with a bunch of lessor named 2N3904s

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TICC boxed (input protection)

2017-04-10 Thread David
On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 21:43:31 +0200, you wrote: >Am 08.04.2017 um 17:52 schrieb David: >> >> If they are not being tested, then where is the maximum specified >> leakage number coming from? For a small signal bipolar transistor it >> will typically be 25nA, 50nA,

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TICC boxed (input protection)

2017-04-12 Thread David
They are relevant when a high input impedance buffer is used making it easier to add series/shunt overload protection. Protecting against 400 volts and higher is feasible this way. Adding overload protection to a 50 ohm input is an interesting challenge but it can be done. Precede the 50 ohm

Re: [time-nuts] Line Frequeny Stablity

2017-04-05 Thread David
I have seen some proposals to require VAR capability in photoelectric installations but how feasible is that? I cannot imagine utility customers being pleased with having to pay extra for such a nebulous to them capability. I could see the utility companies pushing it as a requirement in lieu of

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TICC boxed (input protection)

2017-04-05 Thread David
On Wed, 5 Apr 2017 02:40:13 -0400, you wrote: >David wrote: > >> So collector-base junctions make good low leakage high voltage diodes >> although they are slow > >I guess it depends on what one means by "slow" and "fast." I was referring to within

Re: [time-nuts] Re. DIY atomic "resonator"

2017-04-12 Thread David
Some incandescent lamps can emit RF. http://www.rexophone.com/?p=1081 http://www.radiomuseum.org/forum/rustika_lightbulb_fm_measurements.html On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:09:52 +, you wrote: >Apparently fluorescent tubes continuously emit a lot of other microwave >signals. I once built a

Re: [time-nuts] RFDO - Experience and questions

2017-03-05 Thread David
If the modulation is phased locked to the carrier which is common, then that suggests two other ways to extract the timing from the carrier without interference from the modulation. 1. Integrate the phase comparison over a whole number of modulation cycles; the modulation will then cancel out.

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TICC boxed (input protection)

2017-04-08 Thread David
On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 22:23:43 -0400, you wrote: >David wrote: > >> I know one thing to watch out for if you are looking for low >> leakage is gold doping > >Anything that increases carrier mobility increases leakage current (all >else equal -- i.e., for each

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TICC boxed (input protection)

2017-04-08 Thread David
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 01:06:17 -0400, you wrote: >Another thing to watch out for if you need very low leakage, is if the >package is transparent. All junctions are photodiodes. > >Maybe it's less of a problem now with SMTs, than it was with glass body >diodes or translucent transistor packages. >

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TICC boxed (input protection)

2017-04-08 Thread David
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 04:09:38 -0400, you wrote: >David wrote: > >>> what doping is used for PNP RF transistors and saturated switches >>> if it is not gold? Does it also increase leakage? > >I replied: > >> Gold doping doesn't affect the speed of BJTs i

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Soft-Start

2017-04-14 Thread David
On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 20:18:38 -0700, you wrote: >On 4/12/17 7:14 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: >> 10.9 MHz is likely the B-mode of the SC cut. >> (It's a different mode, not a different overtone). >> This mode has a tempco of 20 ppm and is used >> to do thermometry. >> >> IMHO, there is NO

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter questions

2017-04-26 Thread David
High end frequency counters usually go to some effort to prevent synchronization between the input signal and the gate. Some DSOs do as well. Synchronization can exasperate certain errors and asynchronous operation provides better results when many measurements are averaged. On Tue, 25 Apr 2017

Re: [time-nuts] Poor man's oven

2017-06-05 Thread David
I have never been able to find a reference to them on the internet but there was a similar product intended for TO-99 packages that could be used with operational amplifiers. On Mon, 5 Jun 2017 08:35:35 + (UTC), you wrote: >  The Crystal heater clip wasa Murata "Posistor" soldered onto a

Re: [time-nuts] Using 5335 frequency counter for timing

2017-05-07 Thread David
My Racal-Dana 1992 is the same way; its time interval mode is limited to the 1 nanosecond interpolated resolution of the counter. Some counters support time interval averaging which will produce much much higher resolution but often they have a minimum time interval. If the transmission line to

[time-nuts] Time stamp degradation being added in javascript

2018-01-07 Thread David
Possibly not of immediate concern to time-nuts but an article had some trigger words for them in the initial fixes to the much publicised problems with Intel/AMD/ARM etc : "After these changes, the time stamp returned by |performance.now| will be less precise due to lower resolution. Some

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz LTE-Lite

2014-11-22 Thread david
to experimenting with it. The only down side was that the Mail made me collect it from my local office, charged me an additional $50 at today's conversion rate to import the board. Regards David GM8XBZ -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of S. Jackson via

Re: [time-nuts] Tracking NTP displacement and correlation betweentwo clients.

2012-10-04 Thread David
. Disabling the low power CPU state fixed it until a BIOS update was released. It has been a while but as I recall, the NTP client kept the OS from drifting further behind but the time was still noticeably off. On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 00:42:42 -0400, Bob Bownes bow...@gmail.com wrote: David

Re: [time-nuts] 57600 baud rate with Basic etc

2012-10-10 Thread David
What aspects of USB would HP have used? Just the complexity of a USB OHCI/UHCI would have been economically prohibitive compared to an asynchronous serial UART. An OHCI/UHCI is more like an ethernet controller and those took up the space of entire expansion boards initially. What they did

Re: [time-nuts] 57600 baud rate with Basic etc

2012-10-10 Thread David
Ah well, I missed it but only because I have seen other people make the same suggestion seriously in the recent past. Where is my box of 2102 DRAMs? I left it around here somewhere. On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 11:15:32 -0400, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: David it was humor Regards On Wed, Oct

Re: [time-nuts] 57600 baud rate with Basic etc

2012-10-10 Thread David
finishes a build). It's supported on just about every chip set in the universe. I suspect it will outlive the cockroaches. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:54 AM

Re: [time-nuts] Timing performance of servers

2012-10-26 Thread David
On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 12:53:02 -0500, Dennis Ferguson dennis.c.fergu...@gmail.com wrote: Also, some antennas are better at rejecting low angle signals than others. While the software can reject some undesired signals, it can only do so if the software can identify them as separate. If the

Re: [time-nuts] Sulzer 5A 5P PSU/battery question

2012-11-01 Thread David
I have used NiMH D cells as directly replacements for NiCd D cells in devices that have slow, 0.1C rate or 14 hour, chargers without problems. It takes longer to fully charge since the NiMH cells have about twice the capacity but then they last about twice as long. The price for the MiMH cells

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself

2012-11-05 Thread David
On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 02:14:04 +0100, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Hi Bob, On 11/05/2012 01:30 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi As a practical example - a SR620 will look much better reading it's own reference than it will looking at almost anything else. That said, it's still a

Re: [time-nuts] Is it sensible to update every few seconds from NTP server?

2012-11-07 Thread David
is specified to be within 1uS and has a pulse to pulse jitter in the 10s of nanoseconds. On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 21:41:36 +, David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: Someone at my radio club uses some mode of operation where accurate time is required. He said the standard Windoze clock does

Re: [time-nuts] Is it sensible to update every few seconds from NTP server?

2012-11-07 Thread David
. At least modern PC clocks do not drift that badly in a few minutes. So it is pretty odd. Without further detail I am at a loss for why you need to do that. Maybe he is tinkering with spreadspectrum? Regards Paul On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 5:04 PM, David davidwh...@gmail.com wrote: Some Windows NTP

Re: [time-nuts] Is it sensible to update every few seconds from NTP server?

2012-11-07 Thread David
understand why mS timing would be necessary? I must be missing something. Didier KO4BB Didier Sent from my Droid Razr 4G LTE wireless tracker. -Original Message- From: David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wed

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread David
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 05:02:54 -0800, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 11/15/12 4:30 AM, David J Taylor wrote: i just used this to with a raspberry pi with good success. https://www.adafruit.com/products/746 james === It looks idea, James

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread David
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:07:28 -0800, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 11/15/12 5:33 AM, David wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 05:02:54 -0800, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 11/15/12 4:30 AM, David J Taylor wrote: i just used this to with a raspberry pi with good success. https

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread David
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:06:10 -, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: -Original Message- From: David [] So the 16x manual says. As far as I know, all of the Garmin LVC, HVC, and 5Hz versions of their receivers have a timing pulse output. The GPS18 series that I have

Re: [time-nuts] Question re 1pps output on the Z3805A

2012-11-24 Thread David
TTL transition times are not all that fast, about 6ns for LS TTL, and with a 26uS pulse width, you would only need a fast oscilloscope to characterize the pulse edges. Delay, phase, and pulse height measurements in this case could be made even with a 20 MHz, 0.35/20Mhz=17.5ns rise and fall time,

Re: [time-nuts] Question re 1pps output on the Z3805A

2012-11-24 Thread David
I can think of some possibilities with the caveat that I am not familiar with the Z3805A units: 1. The PPS output could be damaged. 2. The PPS output could be an open collector/drain output which requires a pull-up resistor since it can only sink current. 3. The PPS output might have trouble

Re: [time-nuts] Question re 1pps output on the Z3805A

2012-11-25 Thread David
Something else occurred to me after I posted. A 0.15 volt glitch could come from capacitive coupling if there was an open in the PPS output of if it was an adjacent pin. On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 16:52:50 -0800 (PST), Mark Spencer mspencer12...@yahoo.ca wrote: Thanks all for the responses. I am

Re: [time-nuts] GPS antenna in attic?

2012-11-25 Thread David
I do not know about the Thunderbolt in particular but some GPS receivers are more sensitive than others and will work acceptably like you describe. My house has similar construction and all of my GPS receivers except maybe for my GPS18-5Hz hockey puck will operate in the attic under the asphalt

Re: [time-nuts] MT3339 chipset 10ns jitter?

2012-11-26 Thread David
You can measure the cycle to cycle jitter of the GPS PPS output using the Racal Dana 1992 down to the nanosecond pretty easily with the caveat that it will only measure alternate cycles. Period mode or Time Interval A to B mode will work for this measurement of a 1 Hz source. If you have a

Re: [time-nuts] Poor termination effects?

2012-11-28 Thread David
I am pretty sure you are right on the mark there. I made a habit of listening to the tone modulated seismic transmitters in southern California and with experience, they definitely sounded like you would expect if a source was reflecting off of various impedance discontinuities in the crust which

Re: [time-nuts] Using a frequency synthesizer replacement for motherboard oscillator

2012-12-01 Thread David
Originally the IBM PC design used an 8253 or 8254 PIT, programmable interval timer, located at ports 40h to 43h with Timer 0 clocked at 1.193182 MHz (1/3rd of 3.579545 MHz or 1/12th of 14.318 MHz) and set to divide by 65536 which generated about an 18.2 Hz interrupt rate on IRQ 0. Timer 1

Re: [time-nuts] Using a frequency synthesizer replacement for motherboard oscillator

2012-12-01 Thread David
On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 01:53:07 +0100, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 12/02/2012 01:29 AM, David wrote: Originally the IBM PC design used an 8253 or 8254 PIT, programmable interval timer, located at ports 40h to 43h with Timer 0 clocked at 1.193182 MHz (1/3rd of 3.579545

Re: [time-nuts] Using a frequency synthesizer replacement for motherboard oscillator

2012-12-01 Thread David
On Sat, 01 Dec 2012 19:10:54 -0800, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: davidwh...@gmail.com said: One of my favorite tricks back when the ISA bus was still available was to use a custom expansion board I built and an oscilloscope to measure the interrupt latency. You can do the same

Re: [time-nuts] Using a frequency synthesizer replacement for motherboard oscillator

2012-12-02 Thread David
On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 08:43:39 -0500, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi Maybe I'm just shopping in the right places. I have yet to build up a desktop machine that does *not* have at least one COM port on the motherboard. That's been true all the way from simple little Atom based ITX boards right

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO on the cheap

2012-12-06 Thread David
In past designs I just included an EEPROM so in the event of a cold start, the last settings would be known. On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 10:45:48 -0800 (PST), M. Simon msimon6...@yahoo.com wrote: I would use a digital pot for coarse setting. Or a manual trimpot. That way your control signal holds even

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO Alternatives

2012-12-06 Thread David
You can use the ATmega328 16 bit timer/counter in input capture mode to count the number of 10 MHz OCXO cycles per pulse per second period to a resolution of 100ns but there are some problems: The ATmega328 16 bit timer/counter external clock is limited to 1/4 of the CPU frequency with an

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO Alternatives

2012-12-06 Thread David
/4 clock is not going to get you very near a Shera. It's even further from the more modern enhanced Shera designs. Bob On Dec 6, 2012, at 6:59 PM, David davidwh...@gmail.com wrote: You can use the ATmega328 16 bit timer/counter in input capture mode to count the number of 10 MHz OCXO cycles

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO Alternatives

2012-12-06 Thread David
There are lots of sampling ADCs which will support that type of operation directly or you can easily design and build a sampling phase detector but that all involves significant extra circuitry outside of the microcontroller. Take a look at the Racal Dana 1992 reference frequency multiplier

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO Alternatives

2012-12-06 Thread David
weirdos who likes ECL whether integrated or discrete. On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 20:22:58 -0500 (EST), saidj...@aol.com wrote: David, The NXP LPC932 processor series are very cheap and small, and we got very excited to see timers running at up to 32MHz internally if I remember correctly

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO Alternatives

2012-12-06 Thread David
Sorry. The Shera counter is 16 bits and not 12 bits but that does not change what I posted. On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 19:17:48 -0600, David davidwh...@gmail.com wrote: It is not a 16 bit capture and it does not run at 1/4 the clock rate. The Shera uses a 12 bit counter to capture the phase

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO Alternatives

2012-12-06 Thread David
The other timer on the ATmega328 lacks an input capture pin and register. I did not check all of the different AVR microcontrollers used in Arduinos. On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 02:03:39 +, Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote: I think only TIMER2 on the AVR has the clk/4 limitation. The other

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO Alternatives

2012-12-07 Thread David
On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 17:50:55 -0500, Charles P. Steinmetz charles_steinm...@lavabit.com wrote: John wrote: What's *really* interesting, though, is the idea that collectively we might develop some standard measurement protocols that would be reproducible in a number of (amateur) labs. I agree,

Re: [time-nuts] Switching oscillators

2012-12-09 Thread David
On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 15:49:04 -0800, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: li...@rtty.us said: 1) Convert them both to logic levels and use a gate. 2) Use a relay. Both would need some sort of timer to drive them. Both would disrupt the instrument when the switch took place. I know of no

Re: [time-nuts] 31bit ADC, 1000 samples per second

2012-12-10 Thread David
Integrating converters including delta-sigma converters can be no missing codes by design without being able to take advantage of the full resolution that implies. Integral nonlinearity, drift, and noise will limit the usable resolution. On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:08:38 -0600, Didier Juges

Re: [time-nuts] 31bit ADC, 1000 samples per second

2012-12-10 Thread David
The gain drift is specified at 2ppm per degree C. There are provisions for a calibration cycle but that requires external multiplexing. On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 07:26:55 -0800 (PST), Robert LaJeunesse rlajeune...@sbcglobal.net wrote: . . . typical for better monolithic sigma-delta converters.

Re: [time-nuts] 31bit ADC, 1000 samples per second

2012-12-10 Thread David
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 23:01:49 +, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: In message tilcc892a6ntfk64t2nljm92idr92df...@4ax.com, David writes: The gain drift is specified at 2ppm per degree C. There are provisions for a calibration cycle but that requires external multiplexing. That's

Re: [time-nuts] 31bit ADC, 1000 samples per second

2012-12-10 Thread David
between resolution and effective bits makes me wonder what's the point of advertising the former other than bragging rights? On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 3:38 PM, David davidwh...@gmail.com wrote: Integrating converters including delta-sigma converters can be no missing codes by design without being

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-13 Thread David
If the trailing edge of one of the pulses is reliable, you could measure from the starting edge of one pulse to the trailing edge of the other pulse. It is not impossible to make an adjustable but accurate pulse delay using a comparator or maybe a gate. How accurate does your measurement need to

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-13 Thread David
On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 00:06:15 +0100, timen...@triplespark.net wrote: On Dec 13, 2012, at 4:57 AM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: Suppose I want to compare the PPS outputs of 2 GPS units. The problem is that I don't know which one will happen first. If I feed them into the

Re: [time-nuts] Cell timing error

2012-12-15 Thread David
I thought the networks did that deliberately to frustrate automated time shifting. On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 19:04:05 -0500, Joe Leikhim jleik...@leikhim.com wrote: I have to wonder how seriously these network designers are with respect to timing. For example we have Brighthouse cable. The time on

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread David
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:19:43 -0800, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: A fifth solution is to use a pulse delay generator like a DG535. I use this to create high-resolution early/late 1PPS sync pulses. They show up on eBay, but aren't cheap. For bargains, watch for older model

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread David
a lot . Bob On Dec 17, 2012, at 1:56 PM, David davidwh...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:19:43 -0800, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: A fifth solution is to use a pulse delay generator like a DG535. I use this to create high-resolution early/late 1PPS sync pulses

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread David
I wish there was an source for helically wound shielded differential transmission line like the type used in later analog oscilloscopes. The only place I know where to find it is oscilloscope part mules. Essentially it was transmission line with a ridiculously low velocity factor. It is great

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread David
-for-475-Oscilloscope-New-/290824098279?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item43b67791e7 Em 17/12/2012 23:39, David escreveu: I wish there was an source for helically wound shielded differential transmission line like the type used in later analog oscilloscopes. The only place I know where to find

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread David
/ get it off the board thing becomes the main issue. Then it's easier to just make the delay line part of the PC layout. Bob On Dec 17, 2012, at 8:39 PM, David davidwh...@gmail.com wrote: I wish there was an source for helically wound shielded differential transmission line like the type

Re: [time-nuts] Noisy varactor diodes

2012-12-18 Thread David
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:51:02 -0500, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: John 2 with the same type of issue that is bad luck or simply age. Oh my do I for see this in my future? I would be willing to bet it exactly looks like your description. I like the fact that for $1.23 you can get something

Re: [time-nuts] Strange GPS behaviour

2012-12-29 Thread David
On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 12:18:56 -0800, Said Jackson saidj...@aol.com wrote: Fabio, Happens in all the GPS receivers we have tested here. The difference between receivers is how fast they can recognize this error and how fast they can re-aquire once they shut off the 1PPS output due to tcxo

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz - 16 MHz clock multiplier

2013-01-03 Thread David
They do not exist as I found out (again) not long ago. The last 7490 made was LS (low power schottky) and I use quite a few of them. Actually, I have seen a datasheet for a 74HC90 and 74HCT90 but they apparently either never went into production or very few were produced. The closest non-TTL

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz - 16 MHz clock multiplier

2013-01-03 Thread David
2013 21:02:32 -0500, Tom Miller tmil...@skylinenet.net wrote: Isn't there a fast divide by N counter that you could set to 10? Maybe even in ECL? - Original Message - From: David davidwh...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent

[time-nuts] Article discussing various free SPICE and other circuit simulators.

2013-01-08 Thread David
Electronic Design recently ran an article discussing the various free SPICE and other circuit simulators available for download. LTspice which I have seen several list members use is prominently mentioned. For those who missed it, here is a link to the online article:

Re: [time-nuts] OT - USB to LPT Adapter - Does it exist?

2013-01-11 Thread David
My solution was similar. I have a few old systems that work fine and have serial and parallel ports. For my more recent workstations, I add a PCI or PCIe serial/parallel port adapter if needed. On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:03:48 -0500 (EST), gandal...@aol.com wrote: Hi Joe As per other replies I

Re: [time-nuts] Need info on HP 1 MHz ovenized XO

2013-01-13 Thread David
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:00:46 -0500, Charles P. Steinmetz charles_steinm...@lavabit.com wrote: Ed wrote: On opening it up I found that the circuitry includes a 74LS73 dual JK FF, and a 74LS140 - very obscure - apparently a dual 4-input gate of some sort. AFAIK, the '140 was only supplied in

Re: [time-nuts] Counter OCXO behaviour

2013-01-14 Thread David
The Racal Dana 1991/1992 OCXO has a big pair of pan head screws exposed on the back. One is coarse adjust and one is fine adjust. I have the TCXO version which also exposes the adjustment on the back so you do not have to open anything to get to it. You can see them here:

Re: [time-nuts] Counter OCXO behaviour

2013-01-14 Thread David
On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:14:23 +0100, Fabio Eboli fabi...@quipo.it wrote: Hello, recently I tried to trim the Racal Dana 1992 04E internal reference, using the GPS pps as a reference. I'd like to ask a pair of questions... - First is about the method. I'm using the counter TI to measure it's own

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO DIP

2013-01-15 Thread David
I know they were discussed here in the past but I do not remember any performance reports. I may buy a couple myself but I do not have the equipment yet to evaluate one. On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 21:10:03 -0700, Joseph Gray jg...@zianet.com wrote: I just ordered a few of these. They looked like a

Re: [time-nuts] More GPS troubles

2013-01-17 Thread David
If the GPS receiver hardware itself is integrated then it would require a separate firmware update which may not be possible. I know one of my more recent Garmin receivers has separate firmware for the integrated GPS receiver and the unit as a whole. On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 09:22:55 -0500, Bob Camp

Re: [time-nuts] More GPS troubles

2013-01-17 Thread David
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 07:08:20 -0800, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 1/17/13 6:22 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Most cheap GPS's these days have user friendly firmware update capability. That's been true for quite a while. I'd be amazed if the higher end stuff didn't make updates an easy

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies?

2013-01-31 Thread David
I have seen it used in a couple of Tektronix TM500 instruments but the purpose may have been to generate a lower voltage power supply rail instead of noise reduction. Tektronix often added LC sections on their switching power supply outputs and distributed smaller LC sections to prevent coupling

Re: [time-nuts] Possibly off topic - Jitter on Ethernet over power adapters

2013-02-10 Thread David
The poster is asking about ethernet over power line and not power over ethernet. As you point out, the later should have zero effect on ethernet latency. There are several ethernet over power standards. Latency will include a bridge in each adapter, the effects of a noisy uncontrolled AC power

Re: [time-nuts] Possibly off topic - Jitter on Ethernet over power adapters

2013-02-10 Thread David
On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 12:44:57 -0600, Bill Hawkins b...@iaxs.net wrote: Rob, One of the common characteristics of power lines is noise. Seems to me that bursts of noise could interrupt the Ethernet signal, causing retries of the transmission. Now, I'm only familiar with SNTP, which uses UDP

Re: [time-nuts] Off topic project sort of heart rate monitor NEED BEATS PRE MINUTE TO ANALOG VOLTAGE

2013-02-19 Thread David
The most straightforward method these days would be a small microcontroller implementing a pulse width modulation digital to analog converter. The analog route is pretty easy though. A traditional charge or current pump can operate down to 30 Hz but will have an output ripple versus settling

Re: [time-nuts] Logging the grid frequency....

2013-02-22 Thread David
On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:16:37 -0800, Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote: There is a lot of noise on the line. I'm not sure if frequency makes sense on a cycle to cycle basis. Hal, it might make sense since the OP is designing a PLL and wants to get a feel for (short-term) frequency

Re: [time-nuts] Logging the grid frequency....

2013-02-23 Thread David
That was on my mind when I suggested a sampling phase comparator with the sampling time adjusted for noise rejection. Of course since I have been doing a lot of research recently on sampler design, every problem looks like a nail. :) Thyristor commutation into a reactive load can be nasty but I

Re: [time-nuts] GPIB counter logging / plotting software?

2013-02-25 Thread David
As far as I can tell by looking at the release notes and the settings in Timelab itself, none of the Racal-Dana counters are directly supported which is unfortunate because my best counter is a 1992 that I rebuilt. Timelab and the Racal-Dana 1991/1992 both support talk only mode though so maybe

Re: [time-nuts] Don't use cheap cables -- a cautionary tale

2013-03-03 Thread David
After a couple of bad experiences with foamed polyethylene that got contaminated and solid polyethylene where heat had allowed the center conductor to shift, I have stuck with RG-142 and RG-400 style coax for short patch cables. For little stuff that gets soldered into place, I use add RG-316 and

Re: [time-nuts] Is possible precise 1pps?

2013-03-13 Thread David
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:17:30 -0700, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:03 AM, hutt...@seznam.cz wrote: I have GPS without position hold, I wonder how precise 1PPS, which I want to use for disciplined OCXO. THere is more difference between brands and

Re: [time-nuts] Is possible precise 1pps?

2013-03-13 Thread David
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 23:07:01 -0400, Michael Tharp g...@partiallystapled.com wrote: On 03/13/2013 09:05 PM, David wrote: This brings up something that I have wondered about for a while. The Garmin GPS18x (and many other receivers) specify the PPS output as within 1uS but does that mean

Re: [time-nuts] Metastability (was Brooks Shera)

2013-03-25 Thread David
On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 14:56:25 -0700, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: n1...@alum.dartmouth.org said: S/LS logic was introduced in the mid 70's, F/AS/ALS around 1980, HC was early 80's. By the third 7400 generation (F/AS/ALS) the problem was well known with parameters available and

Re: [time-nuts] Win XP and NIST time

2013-03-26 Thread David
On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 05:05:26 +0100, Anthony G. Atkielski anth...@atkielski.com wrote: Dan (I think) writes: Because, up until today, windows time did what I needed it to do. It may still, if the fault turns out to be network related. In reality, it's more software to learn to administer, and

Re: [time-nuts] OT - DC-10 gyros

2013-03-28 Thread David
If I did not go the microcontroller PWM route I would use a Johnson counter (twisted ring counter) to directly generate three 120 degree phases. There is a good example here: http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_4/chpt_12/6.html On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 21:55:32 -0400, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Connectors

2013-04-13 Thread David
On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 14:07:05 -0700, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: Can someone in the know clarify this? I'm not in the know. Several years ago, I found a short chunk of coax that the cable TV guys had left on the ground. It included a piece of heavy wall shrink tubing. There

Re: [time-nuts] LTC6957 Low Phase Noise Buffer/Driver

2013-04-17 Thread David
On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 07:26:46 -0400, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: On Apr 16, 2013, at 9:51 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com wrote: On 4/14/2013 7:48 AM, Brian Davis wrote: Not sure if it's already been mentioned, but Linear has introduced a new part that looks interesting :

Re: [time-nuts] LTC6957 Low Phase Noise Buffer/Driver

2013-04-18 Thread David
On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:40:29 +0200, Volker Esper ail...@t-online.de wrote: Am 17.04.2013 15:23, schrieb David: ... I have been looking into low jitter triggers for sampling systems recently and will probably end up using a discrete differential amplifier driving ECL logic. Why discrete

Re: [time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-20 Thread David
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 20:14:06 +, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: I looked at the DAC1220 first, but in an EFC application it worries me to no end that it is a Sigma-Delta DAC. Even if I feed it a clock divided down from the OCXO you're EFC'ing, to avoid beatfrequency effects, I

Re: [time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-21 Thread David
On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 06:41:06 +, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: In message f356n894epicao60crhh56g7itkofer...@4ax.com, David writes: The DAC1220 span and offset drift versus temperature on the other hand are 20 to 50 times worse than that of the AD5791 unless you want to spend

Re: [time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-21 Thread David
On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:20:28 +, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: In message lf47n81l7t8su75pimf6it1pfm74n3p...@4ax.com, David writes: On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 06:41:06 +, Poul-Henning Kamp Uhm, you lost me there, autocalibration feature ? Sorry, I meant the DAC1220 manual self

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Vref (in)stability plot

2013-04-22 Thread David
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 16:13:17 +, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: In message trinity-7a7ee757-89f7-4b92-8884-9435668fef15-1366646349138@3capp-gm x-bs21, Jochen Frieling writes: your finding is quite interesting. I would like to replicate your measurements on some other voltage

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Resolution SMT GG weirdness

2013-04-23 Thread David
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:05:53 +0200, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:49:19 +0400 Daniel Ginsburg dginsb...@gmail.com wrote: Not perfect, but should be reasonably good. It's an external magnetic antenna on my windowsill. Anyway, +-400ns I'm seeing translates to

[time-nuts] Wrist Watch for Time Nuts

2010-02-24 Thread David
to your GPS / Rubidium / Caesium / Maser standards and calibrate the watch drift (including temp effects) etc. It might be a bit of a trick to get Lady Heather to run on it. Links: www.ti.com/ez430 www.ti.com/chronoswiki David ___ time-nuts mailing

Re: [time-nuts] Cycling of Peltier junction (Jerome Peters)

2010-09-10 Thread David
Might be worth a glance: http://www.eevblog.com/2010/07/25/eevblog-101-hacking-your-own-peltier-lab-thermal-chamber/ ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and

[time-nuts] 8. 74ac112 and 74ac164 sources and 200 Ohm resistors (time-nuts Digest, Vol 48, Issue 35)

2008-07-12 Thread David
. Using standard E12 values: 220R in parallel with 2k2 is exactly 200R. 330R in parallel with 3k3 is exactly 300R. Just stack the two parts on the single footprint, sadly I knew the answers without calculating, need to get out more David ___ time

Re: [time-nuts] NavSync CW12 and CW25

2008-08-07 Thread David
the reference clock rather than a large and expensive OCXO. Starting afresh I may have gone for the CW25 but I've got the CW12 so not thought much more about it. Regards David Mackenzie (GM4HJQ) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] NavSync CW12 and CW25

2008-08-16 Thread David
. At the moment the OCXO is happily locking down and vastly cleaner than the CW25 output, given time I want to modify my 60kHz (MSF) time signal receiver before I review the PLL in the GPS. Regards David ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Capacitive temperature sensing

2008-08-23 Thread David
with care alongside some other histories to maintain balance. Regards David -Original Message- Hej Magnus A capacitive sensing AC bridge can be very sensitive, one only has to look at the work of RV Jones at the university of Glasgow in the 50's, 60's and 70's. He and his

Re: [time-nuts] Agilent 53132A Needs Help

2009-01-26 Thread David
not see any symptoms other than the self test error message. A nice counter but I'm getting ever more nervous about the ability of current test equipment to survive 5 to 10 years. David ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go

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