[time-nuts] Suggest time-and-tech related locations in Switzerland

2018-03-19 Thread David Witten
Many thanks to everyone who provided suggestions regarding time-and-tech (and other) things to see in Switzerland! I am working through the suggestions. My wife (and mostly) I hope to pack in as many of them as possible. I also look forward to meeting any of you who plan to attend the

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port splitter s/w

2014-02-26 Thread David McGaw
Serial outputs can usually drive several serial inputs if the cables are short (to avoid reflections). You can wire it yourself, serial out from the TB to both LH and NTP, serial in from LH only. David On 2/26/14 11:51 AM, David J Taylor wrote: I'm running Meinberg NTP on the Windows 7 x64

Re: [time-nuts] A small piece on HP's hydrogen maser in 1968

2014-02-26 Thread David McGaw
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Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO module connections

2014-03-03 Thread David McGaw
reflections will degrade its risetime. Good luck, David On 3/3/14 1:01 PM, d0ct0r wrote: Hello, I am looking for the advise: what will be the better method to connect GPSDO module by short extension cable to put its antenna input on front or back panel ? Lets say, GPSDO module has female

Re: [time-nuts] ELEMEK LXK WWVB Receiver

2014-03-11 Thread David McGaw
From an ad in Radio-Electronics June 1980, it mentions that it phase-locks to the carrier. I expect the new format of WWVB will give it fits. https://archive.org/stream/radio_electronics_1980-06/Radio_Electronics_June_1980#page/n71/mode/2up/search/wwvb 73, David N1HAC On 3/11/14 1:55 PM

Re: [time-nuts] ELEMEK LXK WWVB Receiver

2014-03-11 Thread David McGaw
From an ad in Radio-Electronics June 1980, it mentions that it phase-locks to the carrier. I expect the new format of WWVB will give it fits. https://archive.org/stream/radio_electronics_1980-06/Radio_Electronics_June_1980#page/n71/mode/2up/search/wwvb 73, David N1HAC On 3/11/14 1:55 PM

Re: [time-nuts] Equinox and sidereal time

2014-03-24 Thread David McGaw
There is a UK version of the almanac: http://asa.hmnao.com/ David N1HAC On 3/24/14 7:26 AM, Tim Shoppa wrote: Try the _Astronomical Almanac_. I am not so familiar with the navigation almanacs, but the bread and butter of the astronomical almanac is the equation of time and transformation

Re: [time-nuts] Equinox and sidereal time

2014-03-24 Thread David McGaw
There is a UK version of the almanac: http://asa.hmnao.com/ David N1HAC On 3/24/14 7:26 AM, Tim Shoppa wrote: Try the _Astronomical Almanac_. I am not so familiar with the navigation almanacs, but the bread and butter of the astronomical almanac is the equation of time and transformation

Re: [time-nuts] Airraft Ping Timing

2014-03-24 Thread David McGaw
I am surprised it took them this long. A number of satellite telemetry systems can use doppler as a matter of course for locating transmitters, such as Iridium and Argos. David On 3/25/14 12:58 AM, Peter Gottlieb wrote: This is how ELT locating satellites work (when not relaying the newer

Re: [time-nuts] Is this ocxo salvageable?

2014-04-09 Thread David McQuate
The output looks differentiated, as would happen if the wire connecting the internal circuit to the output pin became open, leaving only a very small capacitance to couple the square wave out. Dave On 4/8/2014 11:46 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: My Bliley square wave 10MHz OCXO was working just

Re: [time-nuts] NIST Radio Station WWV now on 25 MHz

2014-04-11 Thread David McGaw
Yea! I remember when they shut it down at the nadir of the sunspot cycle, saying no one was using it. Duh! David N1HAC On 4/11/14 12:07 AM, Max Robinson wrote: WWV used to be on 25 MHz but when the sunspot cycle hit a minimum they shut it down. That was years ago. I'm glad to know

Re: [time-nuts] NIST Radio Station WWV now on 25 MHz

2014-04-11 Thread David McGaw
Easily heard on a 12 ft wire in NH this afternoon. Chuck - You may be too close and it is skipping over. David N1HAC On 4/11/14 8:37 PM, paul swed wrote: Chuck The an/urr R1051 does not have a signal meter. It has level meters for audio. Those navy radios. I guess they figured the radio

[time-nuts] Looking for GPSDO for home use

2014-04-15 Thread David Feldman
I found this reflector after searching for GPSDO that would be suitable for individual purchase/use. Each time I found an article about GPSDO projects, that lead me to a surplus GPS module that is either no longer available, not current production, undocumented, or otherwise difficult to

Re: [time-nuts] quartz clock/watch question

2014-04-18 Thread David McGaw
I have done that as well. The G-Shocks have a trimmer cap (I have a DW-6900/module 3230). I don't remember the frequency at the adjustment test point but it is something like 100 Hz. David On 4/18/14 7:40 PM, Jim Palfreyman wrote: I've opened up my Casio G-Shock watch, found an electrical

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO and holdover

2014-04-25 Thread David McQuate
Some timing GPS units (eg Oncore UT) can be set to omit 1PPS pulses if no satellites are being tracked, or if the RAIM alarm limit is exceeded. Dave On 4/25/2014 10:20 AM, Paul wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Tom Van Baakt...@leapsecond.com wrote: I have noticed skipped 1PPS on the

[time-nuts] Need simple test command to verify connection to UT PLUS module

2014-05-04 Thread David Feldman
I have interfaced a Motorola Oncore UT PLUS module to my Linux PC via serial port and RS-232 adapter. When I power up the module I see 1 PPS from the pin (currently connected to a LED via current limiting resistor.) The port is set to 9600 bps 8/N/1 but no messages are being seen (I think this

[time-nuts] Beginner question - unexpected possible jitter in 1 PPS output of Motorola ONCORE UT+ module

2014-05-26 Thread David Feldman
I'm trying (in lieu of setting up a GPSDO) to use the 1 PPS output of a Motorola ONCORE UT+ module to do a one-time reference oscillator adjustment of my frequency counter (setting its reference oscillator which has a small trimmer). My counter has a totalize mode where it counts pulses from

Re: [time-nuts] Beginner question - unexpected possible jitter in 1 PPS output of Motorola ONCORE UT+ module (Hal Murray)

2014-05-27 Thread David Feldman
I'm using 74HC series for the divider/gate. I appreciate all the troubleshooting help, however, I still don't know under what conditions the 1 PPS output should be relied on (with zero satellites acquired? one? four? all eight?, and what can be expected of the 1 PPS output interval if there

Re: [time-nuts] Beginner question - unexpected possible jitter in 1 PPS output of Motorola ONCORE UT+ module

2014-05-31 Thread David Feldman
Picked this project back up this afternoon after couple of weeks, narrowed the problem down but not solved. Refresh: My ONCORE UT+ module appears to have very extreme jitter (on on order of 100 uSec, not nSec random variation between leading edges of successive pulses) in the 1 PPS output. I

Re: [time-nuts] Beginner question - unexpected possible jitter in 1 PPS output of Motorola ONCORE UT+ module

2014-06-01 Thread David Feldman
Thank you, Tom - I appreciate the advice. I am using a 74HC390 in the (divide-by-20, square wave output) divider chain, and sure enough, after looking more closely at the data sheet, it clocks on the FALLING edge (I thought otherwise - wrong)! I will stick an inverter in the path and that

Re: [time-nuts] Beginner question - unexpected possible jitter in 1 PPS output of Motorola ONCORE UT+ module

2014-06-01 Thread David Feldman
Thanks to Tom, Jean-Louis and Chris for all of the helpful advice. Problem is now fixed. First problem was obvious - the 74HC390 I use as a divider clocks on negative-going transition. Added inverter, and the problem appeared to still be present (!) Next problem was not so obvious - my very

Re: [time-nuts] FE5680 GPS Disciplined Controller

2014-06-19 Thread David Hopkins
about 4 days to manufacture and they are then shipped by airmail. Have a look at :- http://imall.iteadstudio.com/open-pcb/pcb-prototyping.html David t 04:49 AM 19/06/2014, you wrote: ewkeh...@aol.com David G. Hopkins (VK4ZF) CAPALABA QLD AUSTRALIA 27.32.38S 153.12.03E QG62OL Skype :- davhop

Re: [time-nuts] More FE5680 GPS Disciplined Controller

2014-06-19 Thread David McQuate
Hi Bert, Welcome back. I'm willing to help on the LCD interface code, if you'll send me-- (1) a schematic of the board, (2) a datasheet on the LCD (or link to where I can get one) --that includes information on control and data interfacing (3) any existing code for this PIC (so I can

[time-nuts] Timelab Agilent 53230a

2014-07-08 Thread David Tang
Hi everyone, This may be a rookie question... I am trying to measure phase noise using Timelab and Agilent 53230a but I get a This plot contains xDEV/phase/frequency data only -- no phase noise or AM noise records. I tried the following settings and other variations but still get the same

Re: [time-nuts] Time in Phone System

2014-07-22 Thread David Malone
for a few months. I was considering adding it to my leap second measurements, but there didn't seem to be much point. David. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise powersupplies

2014-08-07 Thread David Hooke
Such as? david On 7/08/2014 9:30 PM, bruce-cpdlzquo8hwavxtiumw...@public.gmane.org wrote: I have a couple of these. however their noise spectral density tends to rise precipitously below 1Hz or so. There are regulators with significantly lower flicker noise. Bruce On August 7, 2014

Re: [time-nuts] FYI: NPLTime® - a new service providing a precise time signal directly traceable to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) and independent of GPS.

2014-08-14 Thread David McGaw
on the promise. David McGaw On 8/14/14 1:34 PM, Iain Young wrote: On 14/08/14 17:24, David J Taylor wrote: The National Physical Laboratory (NPL) has signed a distribution agreement with trading technology company Intergence to deliver NPLTime® - a new service providing a precise time signal directly

Re: [time-nuts] Need help with transformer core

2014-08-30 Thread David McGaw
So we're nuts. I thought that was a given. David On 8/29/14 9:58 PM, Mark Sims wrote: Frankly, anybody that builds up a Simple Switcher type converter from scratch is more than a little nuts and/or awfully lonely. You can buy small, adjustable pre-built boards (buck or boost configs

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 Thermal fuse?

2014-09-02 Thread David McGaw
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Re: [time-nuts] 10811 Thermal fuse?

2014-09-03 Thread David McGaw
Let's try this again: They are HP/Agilent/Keysight PN 10811-80008. I was actually able to buy a couple from Agilent a few years ago. They are listed as obsolete now. A Panasonic EYP2BH115 should fit. Newark has them. David On 9/2/14 8:05 PM, Dave Daniel wrote: I believe a thermal cut

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 Thermal fuse?

2014-09-03 Thread David McGaw
Actually, in the unit in which the fuse had opened, it had protected the unit when the thermistor failed open. Having seen this happen, I recommend it be replaced. The Panasonic part is 63 cents. David On 9/3/14 7:33 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi In all the years I’ve been doing

Re: [time-nuts] Is a crystal likely to change frequency by 3% ?

2014-09-12 Thread David McGaw
and resonates with the increased junction capacitance at low voltage. David On 9/12/14 6:52 PM, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote: Dr David Kirkby Managing Director Kirkby Microwave Ltd Registered office: Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT, United Kingdom

Re: [time-nuts] What sort of oscillator is this?

2014-09-28 Thread David McGaw
?) always OCXOs. David On 9/28/14 6:16 AM, Hal Murray wrote: drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk said: Two people responded - one says a OCXO and the other an TCXO!! The warmup time is I think an hour, but clearly that is not the time for an oven to warm up. An hour seems like a reasonable OCXO warm

Re: [time-nuts] Clock level conversion 5V - 3.3V

2014-10-02 Thread David McGaw
Would it not be better for phase noise to use a logic gate with a fast transition than a resistive divider that would be slower due to the load capacitance? David On 10/1/14 7:09 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Ok, so it’s not a super duper low phase noise OCXO. It’s also at a reasonably high

Re: [time-nuts] Sun Outage

2014-10-10 Thread David McGaw
Jupiter emissions are MHz. Ku band is GHz. David On 10/10/14 5:17 AM, Graham wrote: Good morning Brooke, Sorry, don't know the answer to that question. Interesting question though. I am aware of the Radio Rove project and have played around at listening for Jupiter on HF and LO VHF

Re: [time-nuts] NPR Story I heard this morning

2014-11-03 Thread David McGaw
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Re: [time-nuts] NPR Story I heard this morning

2014-11-03 Thread David McGaw
The highest accessible peak in the Adirondacks I think would be Whiteface at 4,867 ft, though that would be by ski lift and not all the way to the top. The highest point accessible by car in the Northeast would be Mt. Washington here in New Hampshire at 6288 ft. Hmm... David On 11/3/14 1

Re: [time-nuts] DIP Is Dead R.I.P

2014-11-10 Thread David McGaw
As long as the chip in question is still available in surface mount, one can use a SM to DIP adapter. I use these all the time to evaluate and prototype with SM chips. It would be expensive to rechip a whole unit, but onesies in case of a failure is OK. David On 11/9/14 10:36 PM, Bob Camp

[time-nuts] Seistek pn3048

2012-10-13 Thread David Hooke
Hi All, Does anyone have a download link for the Seistek PN3048 phase noise software, or details about contacting the author? I'd like to use it to configure my 11848A, although I don't know how far I'll get without having a 3561A (just an 8568B). Cheers, davidh

Re: [time-nuts] HP8720C manuals?

2012-10-17 Thread David Kirkby
On 17 October 2012 20:35, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: I just found an old 8720C at work, and I was thinking of pressing it into service to do some experiments with measuring changes in receiver filters and antenna match over temperature. (Since I don't have to pay rental on it, it can

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-18 Thread David McGaw
That would be a Motorola MV1650 or equivalent. You may have to select for 100pf +/- 5% @ 4V as the standard spec is 10% but it probably does not matter as the tuning ratio will be greater than the 2 spec. David On 10/18/12 3:18 PM, Adrian wrote: Hello, I found the 10811 in my 8662A

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-19 Thread David McGaw
As I mentioned, the varactor is equivalent to the Motorola MV1650. I have a bunch as well left over from building VCXOs. :-) David On 10/19/12 3:37 PM, Rick Karlquist wrote: Slightly off topic: the oscillator transistor has some 1854- part number, but is actually a 2N5179 selected

[time-nuts] GPSDO three cornered comparisons

2012-10-21 Thread David Hooke
Perl to manipulate the raw data, but don't have the maths skills to do the analysis myself. Thanks, david (still an apprentice TN, but probably addicted already). ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO three cornered comparisons

2012-10-21 Thread David Hooke
with that I want to use the 3-corner method to start sorting the wheat from the chaff. david I have an HP 58503A and a Symmetricom 58503B which are behaving quite differently to one another using a common antenna. Using Z38xx, there's almost an order of magnitude difference between the reported

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3805A com port and monitoring questions

2012-10-22 Thread David Hooke
Tom, It looks like they have a pForth interpreter running in there under PSOS: http://code.google.com/p/pforth/. Is there a mechanism to switch from SCPI to the Forth interpreter? david Trimble and HP took different approaches on their GPSDO's. Trimble lets you get into things and fiddle

[time-nuts] Anyone got service manual for HP 8970B noise figure meter ?

2012-10-28 Thread David Kirkby
The subject pretty much says it all. I'm not sure how important low noise amps are for time nuts. I never see noise figure meters discussed, but I would expect noise in amps adds to phase noise, which time-nuts do care about. Dave ___ time-nuts mailing

Re: [time-nuts] How to start a new topic

2012-11-02 Thread David Kirkby
On 2 November 2012 13:46, Volker Esper ail...@t-online.de wrote: Fellow time-nuts, I am new in this mailing list and a little bit unfamiliar with it, so I hope I'm not doing something stupid. How do I start a new topic? Simply send a mail with a new subject? Thanks a lot Volker Yes,

Re: [time-nuts] How to start a new topic

2012-11-02 Thread David Kirkby
On 2 November 2012 13:46, Volker Esper ail...@t-online.de wrote: Fellow time-nuts, I am new in this mailing list and a little bit unfamiliar with it, so I hope I'm not doing something stupid. How do I start a new topic? Simply send a mail with a new subject? Thanks a lot Volker Yes,

[time-nuts] Distribution amps and slew rate

2012-11-03 Thread David Hooke
Folks, Given that slew rate is so critical, why do we distribute sine waves and perform the zero-crossing detection at every target instrument? david Trigger jitter is the noise at the trigger point. it's a combination of thermal noise and the slew-rate at the trigger points. It is often

Re: [time-nuts] getting a grip on 10811 drift (beginner-ish question)

2012-11-05 Thread David McQuate
If you can measure the 10811 frequency as a function of the control voltage with the 10811 control voltage input disconnected from everything else, you'll have a curve that will allow you to translate control voltage changes into frequency drift. My impression is that the 10811 ageing is

[time-nuts] Is it sensible to update every few seconds from NTP server?

2012-11-07 Thread David Kirkby
Someone at my radio club uses some mode of operation where accurate time is required. He said the standard Windoze clock does not keep sufficiently accurate, so he has software which updates from an NTP server every 4 seconds or so. It's not exactly a denial of service (DOS) attack, but seems

Re: [time-nuts] Is it sensible to update every few seconds from NTP server?

2012-11-07 Thread David Kirkby
On 7 November 2012 23:28, bjon...@mindspring.com wrote: We had a presentation at our radio club several months ago on digital HF modes, and part of the presentation was on JT65 and apparently it needs a precise synchronized time fix on both ends for an exchange to occur. I do not recollect

Re: [time-nuts] Is it sensible to update every few seconds from NTP server?

2012-11-08 Thread David Kirkby
On 7 November 2012 22:52, David davidwh...@gmail.com wrote: Some finicky software becomes upset if time is stepped backwards too far. Although noting to dowith my original post, if I set the time too far back on a CentOs 5 (Redhat clone), it will not boot properly next time, as it detects

[time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-16 Thread David Kirkby
negotiations, who again need to be paid. 6) After fixing the hardware fault, Agilent will have to recondition the unit to sell it to someone else. I supsect the eBay/Paypal group have made at least $1000 from all this. Dr. David Kirkby - not a happy Paypal or Agilent customer

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread David Kirkby
On 17 November 2012 14:31, Tom Holmes thol...@woh.rr.com wrote: I would strongly suggest that you consider buying Agilent Certi-Prime items not through EBay but through one of the distributors that they now sell much of their equipment through. The discounts on eBay (48% was agreed, prior to

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread David Kirkby
This is some of the communication between me and Agilent on eBay. I think it is clear Agilent wanted to use Paypal, and I did not. It was Agilent who said I should split the payment into two - one of $10,000 and the other of $7,736 Credit cards were not mentioned, but this would have been above

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread David Kirkby
You can get a Paypal account without a credit card. I think all you need is a bank account. In fact, every time I try to buy something with Paypal, it defaults to taking the money from my bank account, and every time I need to change it to take it from my credit card. I appear to have a $10,000

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread David Kirkby
On 17 November 2012 23:37, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: I'm wondering if agilentused is really part of the Agilent corp or whatever it's called? or an independent company entirely? My only and last $.02! Don L J. Forster It is Agilent - at least to the extent I can determine. Some

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread David Kirkby
On 18 November 2012 01:02, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: As I said, try calling Executive Complaints at the US HQ. LD calls are cheap these days. You have nothing to lose, IMO. -John But I can imagine I would be a very long time on a phone trying to get someone able to deal with it. I

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.

2012-11-17 Thread David Kirkby
On 18 November 2012 01:04, Kevin Rosenberg ke...@rosenberg.net wrote: agilentused also wanted me to use PayPal. I used two transactions. The first for the item and the second for software options. I would have also preferred credit card for the cash back, but agilentused wanted PayPal.

[time-nuts] Agilent - have now ageed to cover my losses

2012-11-19 Thread David Kirkby
I know people on here complained it was not a Paypal mailing list, and it should stop. But I thought I'd post this. If you want to comment, drop me a private email, and not on the list. == Dear David, We would like to offer you compensation for the loss you have incurred from the Paypal

Re: [time-nuts] Nifty MINI TIC for DMTD work detail Info please read

2012-11-19 Thread David McQuate
Hi Bert, What kind or sort of documentation is needed? schematics? PC layout? software / firmware documentation? I've been programming PICs intermittently for 10+ years. Some of my projects use 2 or 4 line LCD displays. I have given other microcontrollers a short test spin. I've also done

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PSK demodulation; simple carrier regeneration?

2012-11-20 Thread David Armstrong
Hi, I am have thinking / tinkering / planning a wwvb receiver for longer than I am willing to admit!! It seems to me that one could take a ferrite loop, JFET buffer, ADC and a small microprocessor to get down to baseband - say 20 Hz complex sampling rate - and then output on a serial port

[time-nuts] Is a crystal likely to change frequency by 3% ?

2012-11-26 Thread David Kirkby
I've got an HP 8720D VNA. This has been out of support from Agilent for 8 years, so its getting on a bit. There's a clock in the instrument which keeps the date and time. This is losing about 1 day per month (rough guess), so it has slowed by a bit over 3%. I'm guessing this is likely to be a

Re: [time-nuts] Is a crystal likely to change frequency by 3% ?

2012-11-26 Thread David Kirkby
On 26 November 2012 16:00, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Have you contacted ArtekMedia for any manual information? No. First I'll try to get a free one! Also, have you checked/posted a question to the VNA Agilent Forum? Yes. Only a few hours ago (just before I posted on time-nuts I

Re: [time-nuts] Surge Arresters

2012-11-27 Thread David Kirkby
On 26 November 2012 15:44, Peter G. Viscarola pete...@osr.com wrote: Hi TimeNuts, What are people using for surge arresters between your GPS receiver and the antenna, at the entrance to your house? Several years ago there was lightning near my house, which I think went on the telephone

Re: [time-nuts] Surge Arresters

2012-11-27 Thread David Kirkby
On 27 November 2012 09:15, David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: If I was reallly concerned, then I'd look at using an optical interace. Use a battery to power the GPS antenna, modulate a laser and detect the RF on a photodiode connected by a metre of so of optical fibre. Of course, I

Re: [time-nuts] Open source GPSDO

2012-12-06 Thread David Kirkby
On 6 December 2012 18:28, Murray Greenman denw...@orcon.net.nz wrote: Keenan, You can see my GPSDO source code for a mere $50. It comes with manual and executables. The executables alone are $20. See http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/MICRO/SIMPLE/SimpleGPS.htm Murray , There's a huge difference

Re: [time-nuts] Open source GPSDO

2012-12-06 Thread David Kirkby
if it legal to do so. The answer is yes, you can use gcc for commerical closed-source software. Dave David Kirkby wrote: On 6 December 2012 18:28, Murray Greenman denw...@orcon.net.nz wrote: Keenan, You can see my GPSDO source code for a mere $50. It comes with manual and executables

Re: [time-nuts] Open source

2012-12-07 Thread David Kirkby
On 7 December 2012 15:00, Scott McGrath scmcgr...@gmail.com wrote: What most people think about when they hear about open source is code released under variants of the GPL which require that code released to the public built with GPL tools be made available for no more than the cost of

Re: [time-nuts] Open source

2012-12-08 Thread David Kirkby
On 8 December 2012 01:09, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: BTW you CAN make as much money as you like with GPL'd software. Just look at all Android phones. They contain Linux and a pile of other GPL'd software. Apple is using BSD Unix in there products. That's an important

Re: [time-nuts] Open source

2012-12-08 Thread David Kirkby
On 8 December 2012 08:36, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: And one other detail most people overlook, is that the default GPL text gives any users the right to use any later version of the GPL license instead of the one you copypasted. This has only happened once but it had

Re: [time-nuts] Sir Patrick Moore

2012-12-10 Thread David Kirkby
On 10 December 2012 09:24, David C. Partridge david.partri...@perdrix.co.uk wrote: Related to time-nuttery as astonomical observation was used for time-keeping until C20. Sir Patrick Moore, the great amateur astonomer died yesterday at the age of 89. Although considered an amateur, I

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt schematics

2012-12-11 Thread David Garnier
Hi, Does anyone have a set of schematics for this guy? My bolt has suffered a significant loss of sensitivity, the AMU values have dropped 30 dB. It is not the motorola antenna or feedline, works fine on an Oncore. This appeared to have happened when I tried to operate 160 meters! Thanks

Re: [time-nuts] Noisy varactor diodes

2012-12-18 Thread David McGaw
I have tried to work with 4 Star Electronics. They only want to deal with large quantity orders. I would be interested to hear if anyone has had better luck. David N1HAC On 12/18/12 4:42 PM, John Miles wrote: [1]www.octopart.com identifies 23 of them in stock at a reseller

[time-nuts] Just for Fun - Synergy Systems SSR-6T PPS Comparison

2012-12-19 Thread David Martin
A Day in the Life of Five PPS Sources.. This probably does not qualify as a regular TimeNuts submission as there are no Tau's or 10^-12ths but I could not resist a simple scope capture of the Pulse Per Second output of my new SSR-6t toy from Synergy Systems as it performed its first

Re: [time-nuts] A Day in the Life of Five PPS Sources..

2012-12-19 Thread David Martin
The video permissions should be fixed so it is no longer private ... Sorry A Day in the Life of Five PPS Sources.. See http://youtu.be/kOG9ImT2lvY This is video is a two minute replay of the PPS behavior of two PRS-10s, two TBolts, and the SSR-6t during it's initial 24 hour

[time-nuts] SSR-6t Connector

2012-12-20 Thread David Martin
adapter cable. See http://www.data-alliance.net/servlet/-strse-800/MCX-BNC-female-Adapter/Detail - Sent from my iPhone - Please Reply To David Martin drmar...@ivietechnologies.com 801-372-0978 Just curious, what connector/pigtail/adapter board did you use to access the 2x5 1.27mm pitch connector

Re: [time-nuts] A Day in the Life of Five PPS Sources..

2012-12-20 Thread David Martin
Any idea of what drove the larger drift between the Tbolts and the PRS10 at 1:26 through1:29? Be interesting (to me at least) too see the same post survey. Neat idea. Brent The stack of TBolts is located in the corner of an unheated basement shop. There is no direct heating vent to cause

Re: [time-nuts] What time...

2012-12-20 Thread David McGaw
The Mayan calendar, if that is what you are talking about, rolls over at the solstice - Dec. 21, 2012 11:12 UTC. David On 12/20/12 1:20 PM, dlewis6767 wrote: CNN should be on top of it. -- From: Burt I. Weiner b...@att.net Sent

Re: [time-nuts] What time...

2012-12-20 Thread David McGaw
Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 2:57 PM, David McGaw [1]n1...@alum.dartmouth.org wrote: The Mayan calendar, if that is what you are talking about, rolls over at the solstice - Dec. 21, 2012 11:12 UTC. David On 12/20/12 1:20 PM, dlewis6767 wrote: CNN should

[time-nuts] How it was Done - A Day in the Life of Five PPS Sources..

2012-12-21 Thread David Martin
How did he set up the video? What camera? The Rigol DS4024 Scope has a Record Function. Basically it stores internally a screen capture for each trigger event. Therefore the Scope itself takes a picture once a second when triggered by PPS events. You can then set the Scope to Replay the whole

Re: [time-nuts] Brooks Shera

2012-12-21 Thread David Kirkby
On 21 December 2012 18:11, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: I think whatthis says is that if you've worked hard to make a design available to others and you don't intend to sell it commercially, PUBLISH the details, the design files and the source code. Yes I kknow it is

[time-nuts] Anyone ever put rubidium in an HP 70000 series mainframe?

2012-12-29 Thread David Kirkby
The HP 7 series modular measurement system allows one to configure a range of modules to do various things such as spectrum analysis. There's an oscillator in the unit somewhere (I don't know where), but for higher accuracy one can buy an HP 70310A precision frequency reference, like this,

Re: [time-nuts] Anyone ever put rubidium in an HP 70000 series mainframe?

2012-12-30 Thread David Kirkby
On 30 December 2012 03:04, ewkehren ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: I do feed a Rb in to all my istruments including my 7 spectrum analser. I had two choices 301 or create 100 Mhz. I'm not sure what a 301 is, so it means little to me. There blank modulrs available but make sure you get one with

Re: [time-nuts] Anyone ever put rubidium in an HP 70000 series mainframe?

2012-12-30 Thread David Kirkby
On 30 December 2012 15:43, Pete Lancashire If you know your always going to have an external 10 MHz, what you need is a 70310A Option 002. Option 002 deletes the oscillator (and the battery pack). But I've only once seen an option 002. My take is if you had the $'s to buy a MMS setup, you

Re: [time-nuts] suggestions for free samples from AD

2013-01-05 Thread David McGaw
What do you mean fill up the sample bag limit? You can request as few items as you want. David N1HAC On 1/5/13 4:54 PM, Lizeth Norman wrote: Bob, Tricks like these I need to know about! One I need as a rx unit. The other is just for testing and verification. Would save a few bux. Norm

Re: [time-nuts] suggestions for free samples from AD

2013-01-05 Thread David McGaw
I wondered because they (we - I used to work there) do not charge shipping on sample orders from the website. David On 1/5/13 5:13 PM, Lizeth Norman wrote: David, I figured since I'd have to pay for dev boards. (around 400 US plus ship) I might as well as pick up a few freebies! Have a few

Re: [time-nuts] OT - USB to LPT Adapter - Does it exist?

2013-01-11 Thread David McGaw
that it supports IEEE1284 but they lie. David On 1/11/13 1:40 PM, Jim Stephens wrote: On 1/11/2013 8:46 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 5:09 AM, J. L. Trantham jlt...@att.net wrote: My goal is to connect a parallel port chip programmer via USB but the software only looks

Re: [time-nuts] OT - USB to LPT Adapter - Does it exist?

2013-01-11 Thread David McGaw
Those should be real ports. They probably connect through the PCI buss as a PCMCIA card would. For those looking to PCMCIA/Card Bus, be careful. There ARE cheap cards that connect through USB rather than PCI. The true PCI cards DO work. David On 1/11/13 2:42 PM, Rick Karlquist wrote

[time-nuts] Is there any way to use a TIC to measure time of reflection on a PCB?

2013-01-23 Thread David Kirkby
There's a fairly interesting (to me at least), discussion on an Agilent forum devoted to the calibration of vector network analyzers. http://www.home.agilent.com/owc_discussions/thread.jspa?threadID=34809tstart=0 The title of the thread is Coefficients of fringing capacitance polynomial A

Re: [time-nuts] Is there any way to use a TIC to measure time of reflection on a PCB?

2013-01-23 Thread David Kirkby
On 23 January 2013 15:22, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 1/23/13 6:48 AM, David Kirkby wrote: A student needs to find the open-circuit fringing capacitance of a piece of microstrip line. For this he needs to know the time between the reference plane of the SMA connector and the open

Re: [time-nuts] Is there any way to use a TIC to measure time of reflection on a PCB?

2013-01-24 Thread David Kirkby
On 24 January 2013 11:32, Grant Hodgson gr...@ghengineering.co.uk wrote: Dave Hi Grant Couple of thoughts here :- 1) A 'real' TDR measurement would require a pulse generator with a fast rise/fall time. The faster the rise/fall, the better. Yes, I suspect it needs a pretty decent TDR for

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread David Kirkby
On 26 January 2013 18:31, DARRELL ROBINSON darr...@shaw.ca wrote: I did a Google search and came across sciencenuts.org, but content was limited If you have no success, maybe science-nuts could be created. There would be at least two of us joining. Make that three. Dave

Re: [time-nuts] GPS at 60,000 feet

2013-01-29 Thread David McGaw
Yes, indeed. Scientific balloons get up to about 125,000 ft, 38 km max. David On 1/29/13 5:39 PM, Said Jackson wrote: Ublox limits it to 164,000 feet or 50,000m. Pretty much higher than any ballon would go I think. Bye, Said Sent From iPhone On Jan 29, 2013, at 13:24, Mike S mi

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies?

2013-01-31 Thread David Kirkby
On 31 January 2013 04:28, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com wrote: I know this topic has been discussed in the past on the list, but a colleague is asking if there are any off the shelf low noise

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies?

2013-01-31 Thread David Kirkby
On 31 January 2013 17:11, John Ackermann N8UR j...@febo.com wrote: And this (very interesting) thread brings up the question of measurement methods. Some time ago I searched around and didn't find much on a standard way to measure noise on low voltage DC supplies. John Did you try the

Re: [time-nuts] GPS at 60,000 feet

2013-02-01 Thread David McGaw
ITAR limits are AND. If it is below 50,000 ft OR below 1000 knots, it will work. My Garmin GPS60CSx has always worked on commercial flights at 40,000 ft and 500 MPH. We use commercial Trimble units on our scientific balloons that go up to 120,000 ft (38 km). David McGaw NASA BARREL

Re: [time-nuts] lightweight webserver for, e.g., NTP widget

2013-02-11 Thread David Armstrong
There are numberous web servers that are small and light weight, some examples are boa ( www.boa.org ) and HTTPd http://www.nongnu.org/mini-httpd/ On Mon, 2013-02-11 at 14:01 -0800, Jim Lux wrote: I'm intrigued by the possibility of using a lightweight web server to provide a management/user

Re: [time-nuts] Off topic project sort of heart rate monitor NEED BEATS PRE MINUTE TO ANALOG VOLTAGE

2013-02-19 Thread David Kirkby
On 20 February 2013 00:58, Paul Cianciolo pa...@snet.net wrote: The purpose of this apparatus is to print a rolling chart on the screen of a computer of heart BPM and then try different technicues of meditaion and calming technicues to lower my heart rate for short periods of time. Just a

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