Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-18 Thread Didier Juges
Brooke, I read about the uncertainty of absolute position because the carrier phase data has no absolute reference, but that still gives a very precise relative position (and speed) information. The point is that for timing, absolute position information is probably unnecessary. The benefit

Re: [time-nuts] carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-19 Thread Didier Juges
Magnus Danielson wrote: However if all you have is a 10811 it will limit the short term satbility of such a GPSDO. The phase carrier measurements will have a lower noise floor than the 10811 for tau 10s or so. A better oscillator (FTS1200, FTS100 Oscilloquartz OSA8607 etc.) will have a

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-19 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Hej Magnus Mitel actually used to make PABX equipment about 20 years ago. They also did specialised ICs for such applications. Bruce That's what I knew them for, we even had a Mitel PABX for a while where I work. Did not know they were into GPS and never seen

Re: [time-nuts] Carrier phase tracking

2007-02-19 Thread Didier Juges
Layman explanation, be nice to me please... The notion of carrier with a spread spectrum system is theoretical. There is no carrier signal being sent continuously and modulation sidebands that contain the information, as you would with an AM signal. This is more like an FM signal, where the

Re: [time-nuts] carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-19 Thread Didier Juges
Magnus Danielson wrote: You can acheive much greater speedup by a combined frequency/phase approach. You will get a very accurate frequency error estimate, so you will very quickly be close enought to go into phase lock. At least if your clock isn't too noisy. So, the lock-in time should not

Re: [time-nuts] carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-19 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Didier Typically with a good local oscillator you can do even better than that, around 1E-11 in 1 sec is achievable and has been achieved. Even with the on board TCXO typically 3E-11 or so in 1s is achieved. Bruce I don't understand how such good variance can

Re: [time-nuts] carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-19 Thread Didier Juges
Hi Bruce, Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Bon soir Didier You are confusing the disciplining precision of the oscillator with measurement of its short term stability via the GPS receiver in this case. Bruce Bon après midi to you, I believe, and if my Clock program is any good, you just

[time-nuts] OT: transfer of 3 GHz via fiber optic

2007-02-19 Thread Didier Juges
This is somewhat off topic, but still a matter of precision timing. A friend of mine wants to send a 3 GHz LO signal up a fiber optic cable. I know there have been threads dealing with transmission of precise timing signals over fiber optics, and I hope I can get some suggestions where to look

Re: [time-nuts] OT: transfer of 3 GHz via fiber optic

2007-02-20 Thread Didier Juges
This is for a price sensitive commercial application, not a science project and he is trying to minimize the amount of hardware at the far end for cost and maintenance reasons. A cleanup PLL becomes very costly when dealing with a frequency agile system. Thanks Didier Hal Murray wrote: A

Re: [time-nuts] OT: transfer of 3 GHz via fiber optic

2007-02-20 Thread Didier Juges
GHz via fiber optic Didier Juges wrote: This is for a price sensitive commercial application, not a science project and he is trying to minimize the amount of hardware at the far end for cost and maintenance reasons. A cleanup PLL becomes very costly when dealing with a frequency agile

Re: [time-nuts] OT: transfer of 3 GHz via fiber optic

2007-02-20 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Didier Juges wrote: Bruce, The more I read the specs, the more obvious it becomes. I did not realize how jittery these things are. I am still trying to get more info on how clean the LO has to be, but I am pretty sure it will be close to telecom specs

Re: [time-nuts] OT: transfer of 3 GHz via fiber optic

2007-02-20 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Didier Juges wrote: Bruce, I have read about this, noise performance also is not good for analog transmissions, causing very limited dynamic range. That's probably why they use either FM or digital coding in just about all applications. I just did

Re: [time-nuts] OT: transfer of 3 GHz via fiber optic

2007-02-20 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Didier Juges wrote: Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Didier Juges wrote: Bruce, I have read about this, noise performance also is not good for analog transmissions, causing very limited dynamic range. That's probably why they use either

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 External Source Issue -- Help Request -- A thought

2007-02-21 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...if my model is correct the apparent offset in the mean will be increased by a factor of 10 over that for a a 1 second gate time. Bruce Looks like you're right Bruce. I did both 1, 0.1 and 0.01 gate times and the

Re: [time-nuts] Article: Regulations focusing on backdating have prompted corporations to pursue technical solutions centered around time synchronization to eradicate the practice

2007-02-21 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Jared Morrisen wrote: And just how does this prevent someone altering the files's timestamp? Not sure what your point is. /jared Jared Just ensuring that the computer clock is accurate, doesn't prevent anyone from tampering with the

Re: [time-nuts] Fine print on HP 5334B

2007-02-23 Thread Didier Juges
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], jshank writes: I check my 5370b by [...] The manual is online in PDF somewhere and it has a nice and simple to follow procedure, provided you have instruments which are suitable substitutes what it prescribes. Service

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt versus Home made

2007-02-25 Thread Didier Juges
Angus wrote: Although that's not what I was talking about doing above, I think that it's pretty much what some of the hardware GPSDO's actually do using various types of oscillators (and to good effect too). As in these: http://www.jrmiller.demon.co.uk/projects/ministd/frqstd.htm

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt versus Home made

2007-02-25 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Didier Juges wrote: Angus wrote: Although that's not what I was talking about doing above, I think that it's pretty much what some of the hardware GPSDO's actually do using various types of oscillators (and to good effect too). As in these: http

Re: [time-nuts] Suspected Spam: External clock for Analog toDigital Converter in GPSRx front-end Rx front-end

2007-03-02 Thread Didier Juges
I bought a nice little noise source, flat from DC to 2 GHz, a Noise/Com model (www.noisecom.com), on eBay for $30 a year ago. You might want to try your luck there. A noise source is very handy. Didier KO4BB Bilal Amin wrote: Hi John, Thank you for your email. I am also looking at the PM

Re: [time-nuts] 5370a manual

2007-03-06 Thread Didier Juges
The 5370A (and B) service manual is also at www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals Didier KO4BB Jeroen Bastemeijer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, I have problems accessing the 5370A manual on the Agilent website?! Accessing the 5370B manual is nor problem. Any suggestions? Thanks,

Re: [time-nuts] 5370a manual

2007-03-07 Thread Didier Juges
Hi Chuck, Thanks for the tip. That's got to be the problem. I will take the CPU card out of the worst offender tonight and look under the magnifier. Didier KO4BB Chuck Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didier Juges wrote: Well, one thing for sure, in both my units, the chips

Re: [time-nuts] Low Drop Out Voltage Regulator

2007-03-09 Thread Didier Juges
Linear Technology LT1170 It's an integrated switcher, you need an inductor and a schottky diode (and a couple of capacitors and resistors) but it will run with a small heat sink and will help extend battery life. It's available in several packages, I prefer the modified TO-220 (5 pins) The

Re: [time-nuts] Happy Leap Hour Day !

2007-03-11 Thread Didier Juges
Today is happy :-) Tomorrow will not :-( Didier KO4BB Brian Kirby wrote: Have a happy Leap Hour day ! ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Happy Leap Hour Day !

2007-03-11 Thread Didier Juges
I have several of those that did not adjust either. I simply changed the time zone and I will have to think about changing back in 3 weeks. I suppose the time signal includes DST info and these clocks do not use it, while the Casio does? Or is the Casio a new model that may have the right DST

Re: [time-nuts] Happy Leap Hour Day !

2007-03-11 Thread Didier Juges
I have had mine for a while and all I could say is, it was nice while it lasted :-) Well, on the positive side, you may be off by an hour, but the seconds will be right :-) I plan to take tomorrow off anyhow, that will give me another day to adjust my own body clock (with is not disciplined

Re: [time-nuts] Happy Leap Hour Day !

2007-03-11 Thread Didier Juges
I do not know if my clocks (WWVB controlled types) are one of these hard coded one, or a smart one, but I will say the one feature that made me choose it over others was the low price (for a WWVB controlled model). Let's be honest, it was cheap. However, if it happens to have simply missed

Re: [time-nuts] Can anyone ID this Ashtech GPS receiver

2007-03-14 Thread Didier Juges
I got the same from eBay. It's a Magellan - Ashtech G8, info at ftp://ftp.magellangps.com/OEM,%20Sensor%20%20ADU/g8/Reference%20Material/ I have not turned on mine yet... Didier KO4BB Dave Brown wrote: Subject line sez all. Picked this up recently with some other GPS related stuff. Google

Re: [time-nuts] Coax switch

2007-03-18 Thread Didier Juges
Interesting, I only have *one* problem with Earthlink users: absolutely nothing gets through :-) Didier John Miles wrote: Dick: you got my message re: the TDS 544, right? (Apologies for the misuse of bandwidth but I have had a *lot* of trouble emailing Earthlink users lately, and wanted to

Re: [time-nuts] Coax switch

2007-03-18 Thread Didier Juges
The first time I heard of all-pass filters, I said to myself: what's the point? I could say the same about Earthlink's filter (all-reject): what's the point? Didier KO4BB Richard W. Solomon wrote: Lately, Earthlink has been treating my jpeg and zip attachments as a virus !! Especially if

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Signal Strength Through Roof?

2007-03-19 Thread Didier Juges
I have 3 antennas in my shack, upstairs. The attic is pretty high, so the antennas are still a good 10 to 12 feet below the tip of the roof, which is covered with shingles. They work fine there, but worked very badly when they were at eye level in the same room, probably because of multipath.

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendations

2007-03-20 Thread Didier Juges
The HP 5334 is a nice counter. I have the B model. The A model has a few more features (particularly math functions), but the front end is more easily damaged. For Time Interval measurements, both models are equivalent. Be aware the built-in standard timebase is not very good. It is also hard to

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendations

2007-03-20 Thread Didier Juges
Time Interval resolution in single shot: HP 5316: 100nS HP 5334: 1nS HP 5370: 20pS Any question? Didier KO4BB M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Didier Juges [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : The HP 5334 is a nice counter. I have the B model. The A model has a : few

Re: [time-nuts] Question for the cesium nuts.

2007-03-24 Thread Didier Juges
The Nikonos, a fine instrument. The line still exists. Didier KO4BB Joseph Gray wrote: Back in the days of cameras that used film :-) Nikon used to make a very nice waterproof and rugged camera. I forgot the model, but it was made for divers. I knew several people who had one, but they were

Re: [time-nuts] Question for the cesium nuts.

2007-03-24 Thread Didier Juges
Your camera probably had a cold solder joint. Maybe it was an RoHS part soldered with standard soldering process. We have that problem all the time with vendors sending RoHS parts with the same part number as the SnPb part they replace. I would not be surprised to see a lot of those problems

Re: [time-nuts] need power trans. for HP3325

2007-03-25 Thread Didier Juges
Even though you may have to be careful about noise, and assuming the operating voltages are not exotic, you can probably find an off-the-shelf switching supply that will fit where the transformer and linear supplies were, with lots of room to spare, and significantly reduced heat dissipation.

Re: [time-nuts] need power trans. for HP3325

2007-03-25 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Didier Juges wrote: Even though you may have to be careful about noise, and assuming the operating voltages are not exotic, you can probably find an off-the-shelf switching supply that will fit where the transformer and linear supplies were, with lots of room

Re: [time-nuts] need power trans. for HP3325

2007-03-25 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Didier SCR's are still used in very high power (Megawatt) high voltage (0.5 Megavolts or more) inverters where they replaced grid controlled mercury arc devices (some of these have been in operation for 40 years or more). I am sceptical that any affordable

[time-nuts] Lightsquared got more money to play with

2011-07-05 Thread Didier Juges
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-05/falcone-s-lightsquared-raises-additional-265-million-for-network-buildout.html ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and

Re: [time-nuts] fluke.l monitor for Thunderbolt . . . the saga continues

2011-07-07 Thread Didier Juges
There is no pin-compatible replacement processor, at least not in a compatible package. I could use a C8051F300 which is available in a 14 pin SO package, but I have not had time to switch the software over to that chip. It would not be too hard to wire the SO-14 package to an existing board

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-01-30 Thread Didier Juges
Mark, If you feel adventurous, my GPSMonitor (written in C for the 8051) source code is available. Development tools including C compiler are free. Didier KO4BB On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote: The Tbolt does not have any sawtooth error or corrections.

Re: [time-nuts] Building a GPSDO trouble using Jupiter-T

2012-01-30 Thread Didier Juges
You have to spend good money to get a GPS receiver capable of calculating it's time and/or position more than once per second. I am not aware of that being done for timing applications, but it is available for navigation GPS receivers, such as those used to track race cars (for a race car, one

Re: [time-nuts] Got 60HZ?

2010-12-10 Thread Didier Juges
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:47 AM, francesco messineo francesco.messi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, if you are not afraid of a little microcontroller programming, why not use a software DDS approach like this: http://www.myplace.nu/avr/minidds/index.htm or this:

[time-nuts] KO4BB.com down for maintenance, sorry for the OT...

2011-03-02 Thread Didier Juges
It looks like my site has been infected by malware. While I am cleaning it, I am setting up my backup site www.eds-fl.com with the manuals. There is about 40GB of manuals to upload, so that will take a while. I hope to be done in a day or two. I will post here when that is done. I do not

[time-nuts] KO4BB.com back on line (OT)

2011-03-03 Thread Didier Juges
Sorry for the OT, but I know a lot of time-nuts subscribers use my site, so I wanted to make sure you know what happened. My site was infected by malware on March 1st. Google reported my site as infected and sent me an email around 11:00 AM CST. Several people notified me in the afternoon and

Re: [time-nuts] Arduino Thunderbolt GPS

2011-03-03 Thread Didier Juges
James, The data stream is not that difficult to decode. You can look at the source code for my GPSMonitor project: http://www.ko4bb.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=precision_timing:gps_monitor Didier KO4BB On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 7:37 PM, James Fournier ja...@jfits.ca wrote: Hello All, Has any one

Re: [time-nuts] Efratom FRS Manual now on ko4bb

2011-05-19 Thread Didier Juges
Bob, I do not see it :( You can send it to me as email attachment if you prefer. Thanks Didier KO4BB On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:36 PM, k6...@comcast.net wrote: I've uploaded the Efratom FRS manual to the Recent_Uploads section of ko4bb's site. bob k6rtm

Re: [time-nuts] Ultra low phase noise floor measurement system forRF devices.

2007-03-31 Thread Didier Juges
In France, and I suspect in the rest of the world, machinists talk in 1/100th of a mm (centieme in French). The 'centieme' is a very good fractional unit when dealing with hardware. It is not harder to talk in 1/100th of a mm than in 1/1000th of an inch. The micrometre (micron in French, as

Re: [time-nuts] phase noise and related stuff

2007-03-31 Thread Didier Juges
I like Joe's editor myself (Wordstar background). A colleague and I are having ongoing arguments about vi versus Joe's. I say it takes many more keystrokes to do the same job under vi, she says it does not take her any longer than me to do anything because I am a lousy typist, I tell her if

Re: [time-nuts] Standards for units

2007-04-03 Thread Didier Juges
An Arianne 5 rocket had to be destroyed with its cargo when it veered off course because of a faulty conversion from English to metric in the guidance software. What a bummer! I hate it when that happens!!! Didier KO4BB Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: There was a recent incident when a passenger

Re: [time-nuts] Standards for units

2007-04-03 Thread Didier Juges
Thomas A. Frank wrote: Are there actually US people on this list who actually continue to advocate the use of non-metric units in their country? Speak up! Of course. Well the USA ever go metric? No. I find it hard to understand why a country as advanced as the US

Re: [time-nuts] Standards for units

2007-04-04 Thread Didier Juges
Hi Said, Thanks for the correction. Now I recall... That's what happens when shooting from the hip without proper backup :-) Didier KO4BB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/3/2007 19:29:25 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: An Arianne 5 rocket had to be

[time-nuts] Delay Line Discriminator article

2007-04-11 Thread Didier Juges
I came across an old article on the Delay Line Discriminator for Phase Noise Measurements (Microwave Journal 1983). I don't think the theory has changed much since then :-) http://www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals/3_GPS_Stuff/DelayLineDiscriminator.pdf Didier KO4BB

Re: [time-nuts] GPS: ADEV or MDEV?

2007-04-13 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Peter I only intended to indicate that not all GPS timing receivers need exhibit hanging bridges. The Trimble Resolution T for example may (or may not) exhibit hanging bridges. If anyone has any evidence either way it would be interesting to look at it. If one

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix GPIB/USB converter help...

2007-04-16 Thread Didier Juges
GPIB-ENET controllers by NI are on and off available on eBay for about $200. I would think there is a market for an ethernet/GPIB controller in that price range. I also second the RS-232 option. While the USB-parallel interface chip has the potential of being much faster (which is great when

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix GPIB/USB converter help...

2007-04-17 Thread Didier Juges
I struck gold, I got two brand new units in original packaging with manuals and cables for $90 on eBay a year ago or so... The seller had 2 in a Dutch auction for $90 each, and I was going to buy one but I missed the deadline and the units did not sell... As I was writing him an email to ask

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix GPIB/USB converter help...

2007-04-17 Thread Didier Juges
The good news in that regard is that it appears FTDI pretty much owns the USB-Serial adapter market, at least in the US, so we almost have a standard there... Didier KO4BB Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tom Van Baak writes: Another example is GPS receivers. How

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix GPIB/USB converter help...

2007-04-17 Thread Didier Juges
John, You are too late by about a week or two, we had a rental for about 6 months and just sent it back last week... Forgot which model exactly, but it was the 40 or 50 GHz model. Very spiffy. I have a new Prologix controller on the way and I intend to check it on everything I can lay my

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz to 32MHz?

2007-04-21 Thread Didier Juges
Bruce, Buy an HP 3586 on eBay (I paid $90 for my HP 3586A with OCXO), lock its reference to the GPSDO, set it to 32 MHz and use the LO output. All you need is a sturdy shelf (!!!) and a couple of cables. No soldering iron required, no PIC programming or anything else :-) Maybe not the most

Re: [time-nuts] Brandywine GPS-4 (0010-0040) manual

2007-04-21 Thread Didier Juges
check http://www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals/4_GPS_Stuff/GPS4-Manual_v2.2-1.pdf Didier KO4BB Hi. I'm looking for manual of Brandywine GPS-4 (model:0010-0040). Does anyone know where to obtain it? Thanks Hiro ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Brandywine GPS-4 (0010-0040) manual

2007-04-22 Thread Didier Juges
Oooops: http://www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals/4_GPS_Stuff/GPS4-Manual_v2.2.pdf Sorry for the typo... Didier KO4BB ji1qgk wrote: Hi Didier and Jason Thanks for uploading the manual. However, your page is not found now. Could you confirm it? My unit GPS locked and true 10MHz output but

Re: [time-nuts] GPS: ADEV or MDEV?

2007-04-22 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Said [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, Some comments: * The Vref output of most OCXO's is from a Zener diode inside the can. These typically have aging, thermal sensitivity and very poor voltage accuracy, and there are much better monolithic

Re: [time-nuts] HP59309A HP-IB Digital Clock Operating andService Manual

2007-04-23 Thread Didier Juges
You are welcome to upload it to my manuals page http://www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals Upload instructions are at the top. Didier From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Norman J McSweyn Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 12:23 PM To: Discussion of precise time and

Re: [time-nuts] GPS: ADEV or MDEV?

2007-04-23 Thread Didier Juges
attachment did not make it, there it is: http://www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals/Tektronix - 7L5/Tek-7L5-PhaseNoise.png Didier Didier Juges wrote: Tom Van Baak wrote: Related - does anyone have equipment in your home/lab that can directly measure, at uV or sub-uV levels, noise

Re: [time-nuts] OT: eBay bidding question

2007-04-28 Thread Didier Juges
As far as I am concerned, I had given up on eBay (I am not a gambler by nature) when I found out about sniping services. I am now a regular user, buyer and seller. I absolutely have no interest in bidding on eBay without sniping, unless it's BIN. With sniping, I decide how much I am willing to

Re: [time-nuts] OT: eBay bidding question

2007-04-28 Thread Didier Juges
I believe this is correct, that is where sniping does not work too well (manually or automatically). If you wait for the last second, and your bid is below the reserve, you may not even realize until after the auction is over. It actually still works the way I want it to. I bid as high as I am

Re: [time-nuts] Re; Ebay bidding

2007-04-28 Thread Didier Juges
Even with my sniping service, I have to set the amount of time before the end of the auction when I want my bid to be placed (usually a few seconds). If there are more than one client of the same service bidding on the same item at the same time, it's the luck of the draw, unless you know

Re: [time-nuts] Gentlemen, unlimber your Broadband Connections

2007-04-29 Thread Didier Juges
John, Thanks a lot for that great reference. It's a good thing that basic principles of physics have not changed much in the last 50 years :-) Didier Neon John wrote: For here is the treasure-trove for those of us who like old machines, fire bottles and big hunking things that glow and make

Re: [time-nuts] Rubidium stability

2007-04-29 Thread Didier Juges
Jerry, 80 Hz is much more than either device should exhibit. There is something seriously wrong, and if you have a short wave receiver that can receive WWV at 10 MHz (AM is fine), you should try to listen to the beat frequency between WWV and either oscillator. That will tell you which is

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A - what? -who? -where?

2007-05-07 Thread Didier Juges
Murray Greenman wrote: TFers, Further to Kit's post a week or two back, we've started to make some ground regarding understanding and using these excellent little GPSDO units. I have working DOS software, and they also work OK with SATSTAT. I have also sussed the GPS module comms and written

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A - what? -who? -where?

2007-05-07 Thread Didier Juges
This connector looks like a VME backplane connector. They cost a fortune. Didier KO4BB Bill Hawkins wrote: The pictures show why the 3815 never became popular. Matching that monstrous connector would be a problem. The project is impractical without the matching card file. And what is that

Re: [time-nuts] NTP Synchronised Nixie Tube Clock

2007-05-08 Thread Didier Juges
(the page was updated earlier today) I use Firefox under XP Pro, I have not tried others. Didier KO4BB Mike S wrote: I find it humorous, that at the bottom of that page it says: Last Updated: January 1, 1970 GMT At 06:49 PM 5/8/2007, Didier Juges wrote... Well, mine is not NTP or GPS controlled

Re: [time-nuts] PTS310 Manual

2007-05-13 Thread Didier Juges
Hi Nigel, Welcome to the list. You are welcome to upload your manual to my Manual web page: http://www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals Instructions are at the top. Thanks Didier KO4BB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ulrich and All I joined the list today, found it whilst looking for info on some

Re: [time-nuts] PTS310 Manual

2007-05-14 Thread Didier Juges
Hi Nigel, I have a few Teknet manuals already on my web site, particularly a couple of service manuals from before they decided they were not going to offer those for download. I also checked their conditions and I did not see any obvious indication they would mind. Considering they can

[time-nuts] Z3801A with other GPS receiver

2007-05-18 Thread Didier Juges
Here are a few questions about reusing a Z3801A main board. Would the Z3801A work with another GPS receiver? In other words, does the board talk to the GPS engine via the serial port, other than receiving the 1 PPS? If it does talk to the GPS receiver, which GPS receiver other than the

[time-nuts] New Trimble timing products

2007-05-21 Thread Didier Juges
I asked and got a quote for small quantities of the Resolution-T GPS receiver (specified at 15nS rms from UTC) and the Mini-T GPSDO from the local Trimble rep. In qty 1-9, the Resolution-T GPS receiver (bare board) is $75, and the Mini-T (which is a complete embedded GPSDO on a PWB) is $945.

Re: [time-nuts] New Trimble timing products

2007-05-21 Thread Didier Juges
Sorry, it's not 15nS rms, it's 15nS at 1 sigma. Didier KO4BB Didier Juges wrote: I asked and got a quote for small quantities of the Resolution-T GPS receiver (specified at 15nS rms from UTC) and the Mini-T GPSDO from the local Trimble rep. In qty 1-9, the Resolution-T GPS receiver (bare

Re: [time-nuts] New Trimble timing products

2007-05-21 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Didier Juges wrote: Sorry, it's not 15nS rms, it's 15nS at 1 sigma. Didier KO4BB Didier Surely the standard deviation (1 sigma) and the rms values are identical? Specifying 1 sigma is perhaps intended to signify that the timing error is stochastic

Re: [time-nuts] 15 ns vs. 15 nS

2007-05-22 Thread Didier Juges
If I recall correctly, unit names based on proper names get an upper case (like Siemens, Joules, Curie and others), others don't get any respect (gram, calorie, meter and such) So it would be correct that nS would be nano Siemens and ns would be nano second. Having been on the western side of

Re: [time-nuts] 15 ns vs. 15 nS

2007-05-22 Thread Didier Juges
John Day wrote: Funniest thing is I have a very good friend, a librarian in Paris, who comes to Canada regularly. He prefers to converse in English with Francophone Canadians because he says it is easier to understand than the 18th century, rural France, based accent of the French spoken

Re: [time-nuts] FMT

2007-05-26 Thread Didier Juges
Well, I was too late sending my results, but I did manage to listen to the signals this past Wednesday. I did not have time to prepare anything but listening by ear on the FT-1000 and using the HP-3586A as a beat generator (free running off it's internal Ovenair precision OCXO), I managed to

Re: [time-nuts] FMT

2007-05-27 Thread Didier Juges
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Didier Juges Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 8:11 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FMT Well, I was too late sending my results, but I did manage to listen to the signals

Re: [time-nuts] Pendulums Atomic Clocks Gravity

2007-05-27 Thread Didier Juges
For the same reason that a satellite in free fall is still subject to gravitational forces, so do objects in Lagrange points. These points represent areas where the centrifugal forces compensate for gravity from two objects instead of one for a regular satellite. The only way to be free from

Re: [time-nuts] Pendulums Atomic Clocks Gravity

2007-05-27 Thread Didier Juges
what Newton's first law is saying about the behaviour of a body for which all forces compensate each other. Is that what a satellite does??? 73 Ulrich, DF6JB -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Didier Juges Gesendet

Re: [time-nuts] FW: Pendulums Atomic Clocks Gravity

2007-05-28 Thread Didier Juges
Ulrich, Your comparison with the linear motion is not valid. While you push the body, it accelerates. The energy spent giving the body increased speed (due to the excess force applied to the body while there is no counter force) is stored in kinetic energy. Once you stop pushing, the body moves

Re: [time-nuts] FW: Pendulums Atomic Clocks Gravity

2007-05-30 Thread Didier Juges
, DF6JB -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Didier Juges Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Mai 2007 02:35 An: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] FW: Pendulums Atomic Clocks Gravity James

Re: [time-nuts] another Ebay mixup

2007-06-08 Thread Didier Juges
Well, his listing includes the serial number. He would not use the same listing without at least updating the S/N? Didier Jason Rabel wrote: I wouldn't worry too much yet, the guy seems like a pretty good seller with only 1 negative feedback from long ago. He is probably just too lazy to

Re: [time-nuts] A Prologix GPIB-USB hint

2007-06-09 Thread Didier Juges
Poul, This has been fixed in the most recent release. Abdul added a ++read command that gets a single reading and then turns TALK off the instrument. I have not actually tried it, but I have received it from Abdul a week or 2 ago. The firmware isd easy to upgrade. Give him a call. Didier

Re: [time-nuts] another Ebay mixup, 5370

2007-06-09 Thread Didier Juges
One of my 5370A's had a severely distorted sine out, which Bruce helped me trace to a bad solder joint on one of the cap that is part of the output filter. After reflowing the solder joint, it all came to life with a pretty good sinewave output. Some of the caps on the amplifier board look

Re: [time-nuts] another Ebay mixup, 5370

2007-06-09 Thread Didier Juges
Said, You sent pictures of the Fury's waveform, only the spectrum of the 5370. I did not look at the spectrum at the time, bu the waveform on the scope was low in amplitude and looked like 30 MHz with some 10 MHz component. It turns out a cap in the output filter was not making contact, and

Re: [time-nuts] another Ebay mixup

2007-06-09 Thread Didier Juges
I have had two really bad packing jobs come to me, with serious damage, and in both cases, the vendor made it right. A DC-503 counter and TM-501 mainframe came with the front panel busted (but still working) and the seller gave me full credit. In another case (not quite as much damage on an HP

Re: [time-nuts] another Ebay mixup, 5370

2007-06-10 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: I have a copy of a letter from David Chu detailing the then known sources of differential nonlinearity in the 5370A. These causes are principally crosstalk between the START and STOP channels, and interaction between the mixers and the phase locked oscillators.

Re: [time-nuts] HP5370B in the house

2007-06-22 Thread Didier Juges
Congratulations Magnus. Everyone needs at least one HP 5370, the more the better, even though mine are 'A' models... One thing that has been mentioned before: the 5370 runs hot, both in terms of performance (good) and heat-wise (not so good). Be careful with the rear heat sink. You can fry

Re: [time-nuts] Tboltmon query

2007-06-23 Thread Didier Juges
This appears to be the full Hint box. I looked at the .exe file with an ASCII editor and there is nothing else. (see attached) Didier KO4BB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Brown Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 7:41 PM To: Discussion of

Re: [time-nuts] Was Tracor 527A manual...now Tracor 527E Manual

2007-07-07 Thread Didier Juges
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Login: manuals Password: manuals It's all in http://www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals/1_Upload_Instructions.html Didier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dick, W1KSZ Sent:

Re: [time-nuts] 527A manual

2007-07-07 Thread Didier Juges
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's fine, I have limited internet access at the moment, so I can't move it to its final destination yet, but anyone can download it from the upload directory right now. Just use the same credentials: login: manuals password:

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B jitter

2007-07-13 Thread Didier Juges
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Magnus, My first 5370A had severe distortion on the 10 MHz output, but in my case. It looked like 30 MHz with some 10 MHz component (no 5 MHz), and was otherwise stable. It turned out some of the capacitors in the output filter of

Re: [time-nuts] Cs stability

2007-07-17 Thread Didier Juges
Or see a failed TIC test which actually displayed the delay in a piece of coax showing the temperature in the room as the air conditioning was turning on and off over night. http://www.ko4bb.com/Test_Equipment/data/HP5370A coax cable delay.png I did not calibrate this thermometer though :-)

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B low frequency modulation

2007-07-23 Thread Didier Juges
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have seen cold solder joints on thermal fuses and certain types of capacitors, while the rest of the instrument was fine with no sign of corrosion. I think it has to do with the metal used for certain component leads. Either they

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B low frequency modulation

2007-07-23 Thread Didier Juges
] .com Hi Didier: Would you elaborate on the comment Gold plated connectors are a well known example. Do you mean when soldered with Lead Tin solder instead of a silver bearing solder or something else? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.precisionclock.com Didier

Re: [time-nuts] Time may not exist

2007-07-28 Thread Didier Juges
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think what is proposed is that time, while real, would not be a fundamental dimension of the universe, it would be a dimension of convenience, due to our lack of understanding of the underlying principles. It is interesting

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