Re: [time-nuts] New WWVB modulation format receivers

2014-02-21 Thread paul swed
Indeed the old Don Lancaster and Ralph Burhan articles were key to my pre-time nuttery interests. But I am very interested in the psk31 approach. I actually hacked around a bit with several of the Ham programs. But none seemed to allow you to get to just the BPSK raw data. (I could have missed the

Re: [time-nuts] New WWVB modulation format receivers (NOT)

2014-02-21 Thread paul swed
John Nantucket's been destroyed a sad day last May. But suppose the property value has gone up now. Regards Paul. On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 10:13 AM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Well, I used to be able to see LORAN pulses w/ a 3-inch diameter loop and a Tek 7000-series 'scope. WWVB is

Re: [time-nuts] New WWVB modulation format receivers (NOT)

2014-02-21 Thread paul swed
Boy do I need to agree with Chris's comments above. If this is anything serious GPS really is the answer in all respects. Yes there is the risk of something happening. But amazingly a lot of the GPS receivers hold onto time pretty well even without GPS. The whole WWVB thing makes sense as a

Re: [time-nuts] New WWVB modulation format receivers (NOT)

2014-02-21 Thread paul swed
be a big deal to convert to something it will accept, or use its OCXO as a transfer standard. Bob On Friday, February 21, 2014 8:57 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Boy do I need to agree with Chris's comments above. If this is anything serious GPS really is the answer in all

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB antennas

2014-02-21 Thread paul swed
And I am on the east coast close to John with a 10' square loop 150' from the house and other things not that at 60 Khz thats much. It has more gain then a circular loop with a preamp at the antenna. It kicks the butt over my small loop. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 3:21 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] Historic NIST Document WWVB Technology

2014-02-21 Thread paul swed
I have seen this document. Put this copy is quite clean. Thanks On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Joe Leikhim jleik...@leikhim.com wrote: http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=web; cd=11ved=0CCMQFjAAOAourl=http%3A%2F%2Ftf.nist.gov%

Re: [time-nuts] New WWVB modulation format receivers

2014-02-21 Thread paul swed
Clint Nice writeup but will say its to late to effectively reply perhaps tomorrow. So early on I did all sorts of oscillators and such looking for the magical carry through. They just didn't work. The other thing is that I can do a lot of things just for myself with parts no one else can get and

Re: [time-nuts] 5370 processor boards available

2014-02-24 Thread paul swed
Yes indeed I received my board quite quickly. And now it sits in its rapping. Curses that evil work stuff. Physically it looks excellent Regards Paul. WB8TSL On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi Very cool. Glad I kept that stack of 5370's Bob On Feb 23,

Re: [time-nuts] A small piece on HP's hydrogen maser in 1968

2014-02-24 Thread paul swed
Worked fine for me earlier. May want to try to dump your cache and cookies. That seems to help when things get silly. All of that said and back to the numbers. That would have been way back in 1968 and there would have been artificial gods that controlled the numbers. These odd folks still exist

Re: [time-nuts] 5370 processor boards available

2014-02-24 Thread paul swed
D I can give you some insights here. Others will be more effective. We all agree that the 5370 frequency counters are great devices from 1980. Right there is the first issue. The old micros are getting old and failing. I have lost both 6800s and eproms. Thank heavens stuff is still available. But

Re: [time-nuts] 5370 processor boards available

2014-02-24 Thread paul swed
. That should never run out. Running a PC without backup power is asking for trouble. A few 1.5v batteries and a charger and buck-boost cost only 10 bucks. D. On 24 Feb 2014 18:57, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: D I can give you some insights here. Others will be more effective. We all agree

Re: [time-nuts] 5370 processor boards available

2014-02-25 Thread paul swed
Thats exciting to hear Thanks On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 6:59 PM, John Seamons j...@jks.com wrote: I may have a solution for the power-off problem that doesn't involve batteries or supercaps. It has the added advantage of providing instant-on. I need to run some tests..

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port splitter s/w

2014-02-26 Thread paul swed
Ummm think you sent the question to the wrong group perhaps? On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:50 PM, corc...@yahoo.ca wrote: I have some problems with My 8505A Analyzer, it has no RF output, I checked the YTO and other frequency dividers and it appears to be OK some times there is RF output only

Re: [time-nuts] 5370 processor boards available

2014-02-27 Thread paul swed
Not that I can code anything. I do like several comments I see considering real life always messes everything up. The ability to download new code easily. To complement that the ability to upload the current system with IPs and such. Most routers support this approach. The other comment make the

Re: [time-nuts] 5370 processor boards available

2014-02-27 Thread paul swed
There you have the problem in the above sentence from Poul-Henning. It needs to be yank the power proof. Because that is the way the 5370 shuts down. That said the board and software thats been created by one person is simply amazing and well done. We are discussing a fine adjustment. Batteries

Re: [time-nuts] 5370 processor boards available

2014-02-27 Thread paul swed
Totally agree with Chucks comment I have opened many system that have been in service at least 5 years virtually no evidence of corrosion. I have however opened system that do not manage the batteries correctly and they are a mess. But we really are drifting away from the main thread. Just want to

Re: [time-nuts] 5370 processor boards available

2014-02-27 Thread paul swed
Looks like I win the fiver. Johns created a great board for the 5370. However you can't just turn the 5370 off as this lazy person is used to. Plus I really have to say after a full day of time-nuttery I won't remember to shut the linux down. So thats the need good old shutdown controlled by the

[time-nuts] LORAN C 89700 on the air starting Monday

2014-03-01 Thread paul swed
Wildwood will be on air from approximately 1400 on 02 March until 1400 on 04 March Regards Paul WB8TSL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C 89700 on the air starting Monday

2014-03-01 Thread paul swed
, WA2DVU Cape May, NJ ( 10 miles from Wildwood!) -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 12:18 PM To: Time-nuts Subject: [time-nuts] LORAN C 89700 on the air starting Monday Wildwood

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C 89700 on the air starting Monday

2014-03-01 Thread paul swed
Contact Steve and he will add you to the email. It took a month or so. stephen.bartl...@ursanav.com Regards Paul. On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Eric Garner garn...@gmail.com wrote: Paul, Where are you finding this information? -eric On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 11:08 AM, paul swed paulsw

Re: [time-nuts] Another atomic clock question

2014-03-01 Thread paul swed
Careful where you step. You may just get sucked into time nuts and it never stops. Get a good crystal, then its an RB, next you know your paying shipping for a 100 Lbs Cesium. Evil stuff. Or you can just skip all the distractions and get a good GPSDO. Not as much fun learning on the way. But

Re: [time-nuts] 5370 controller topics (was: processor boards available)

2014-03-02 Thread paul swed
John I would be interested. I just re-signed up to yahoo. But frankly that was a bit flaky. Something about you have to be invited in or checked out or something. Never did get a response back. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Daniel Mendes dmend...@gmail.com wrote: We

Re: [time-nuts] Wildwood Loran

2014-03-03 Thread paul swed
Yes LORAN is sounding fine in Boston. Have a number of receivers on Autrons SRS etc and checking local references. Good to hear the signal. Also testing a fellow Time-Nuts LORAN C SDR that was posted about a month ago. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Magnus Danielson

Re: [time-nuts] Time transfer, internationally before GPS

2014-03-03 Thread paul swed
I think there were a couple of steps in between things like time-mation satellites and such precursors to GPS. But I believe that CS references were trucked around for a long time. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Jimmy Burrell jimmydb...@gmail.com wrote: My apologies to the

Re: [time-nuts] Time transfer, internationally before GPS

2014-03-05 Thread paul swed
Tom About 18-22 years ago I had a surplus timation receiver. Of course it did not have satellites to work with. Have to say at the time I wasn't smart enough to know what to do with it and you guessed it. Its in some dump some place Regards Paul On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 3:38 AM, Tom Van Baak

[time-nuts] TRACOR_600_Rubidium_reference ops/svc manual uploaded

2014-03-07 Thread paul swed
Hello to the group. I had the opportunity to remotely help Chris troubleshoot his Tracor model 600 RB. A nice old unit. Its now operational again. He was kind enough to send me the ops/svc manual and I have scanned it into a pdf. The manual has been uploaded to Diddiers site and it will take a few

Re: [time-nuts] Finding a spare part for HP5370B

2014-03-08 Thread paul swed
Yes indeed those plastic display covers do seem to fall out and get lost. I have a 5730 with the same issue. Digikey sold (or used to) the red filtered plastic and I have used that to fix an hp8505 that lost a window. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 2:21 AM, Pascual Arbona Lopez

Re: [time-nuts] ELEMEK LXK WWVB Receiver

2014-03-12 Thread paul swed
Tom I may have missed your comment do you have one of these? It appears there is very little data on them. Must not have been popular. So from the posts I can give you a good guess. It would be a TRF receiver without a crystal filter. This can be as reasonable as 4 transistor stages to get that

Re: [time-nuts] ELEMEK LXK WWVB Receiver

2014-03-12 Thread paul swed
, N8ZM -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 9:21 AM To: n1...@dartmouth.edu; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ELEMEK LXK WWVB Receiver

Re: [time-nuts] Using GPS to Fine Tune a Rubidium Frequency Standard.

2014-03-21 Thread paul swed
Chris, Not to often I can offer useful advice. But I know others on time-nuts have experimented with the digital dacs in the RBs. There was program quite a while ago that let you tweak them. Essentially it seems you can not get them exactly on because of the DAC step function. Granted they are

Re: [time-nuts] Using GPS to Fine Tune a Rubidium Frequency Standard.

2014-03-21 Thread paul swed
Hal Actually now that you mention it was the DDS chip. Bert I agree with your comments. How tight can it be. Thanks On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: There seem to be two different class of Rb. One takes an EFC just

Re: [time-nuts] Using GPS to Fine Tune a Rubidium Frequency Standard.

2014-03-21 Thread paul swed
accurate On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 3:51 PM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Paul Do not understand your question, what do you mean with tight? Bert Kehren In a message dated 3/21/2014 3:22:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, paulsw...@gmail.com writes: Hal Actually now that you mention it was the

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-18x behaving weirdly

2014-03-27 Thread paul swed
Not sure that I can help much. I have been following the thread and have numbers of units of this vintage and have used a few in projects. Those projects seemed to have funnies after a while. I am starting to have a bad feeling that if I look carefully I will find some of this perhaps going on.

Re: [time-nuts] Acam TDC's

2014-04-04 Thread paul swed
Angus An interesting chip. I had never heard of it before and suspect this may be the gizmo used in closed system water leak detection. Won't go into why I know about that. I did find comments from 2007 about the chip and atmega but nothing since. When I went looking for distributors or pricing to

Re: [time-nuts] new GPSDO kit

2014-04-04 Thread paul swed
I mean no disrespect to anyone here. Jacksonlabs makes some very fine components. Brookes comment was spot on. What happens etc. I did run out to the site and take a quick read. The short piece I read did not have a lot of specifics or I simply missed them. It is low power and thats quite a plus,

Re: [time-nuts] new GPSDO kit

2014-04-05 Thread paul swed
Jim In my comments I kind of thought the comparison would be obvious. New with warranty old/gamble. Said mentioned the 58503s are available for about $550. Thats indeed a nice unit. Last comment for me. This ain't no solder the pieces together gadget. Regards to everyone. Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Apr

Re: [time-nuts] Acam TDC's

2014-04-05 Thread paul swed
Angus Yes I did a fast check and couldn't find anyone in the US that seemed to carry it. The eval kit looks nice but will speculate its quite costly. That said I could see some uses for it like you say it has some things built in to eliminate false triggers and such. Just need to know if $1.59 or

Re: [time-nuts] Acam TDC's

2014-04-06 Thread paul swed
Thanks for the pricing hints. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 2:01 AM, Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nzwrote: GP21 eval kit about 300 Euro GP21 about 10 Euro each Bruce paul swed wrote: Angus Yes I did a fast check and couldn't find anyone in the US that seemed

Re: [time-nuts] new GPSDO kit

2014-04-06 Thread paul swed
I was thinking the same thing and its power consumption's quite low. Will also guess may be easy to drive from a 12 V battery. Though I have not hilltopped and many years. I used to. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Dave Brown tract...@ihug.co.nz wrote: Sounds like an ideal

Re: [time-nuts] Acam TDC's

2014-04-07 Thread paul swed
Thanks everyone. At last a price. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: Here is the answer from the US Distributor. I won't be following up, Thanksgiving plate already. If I were buying, I'd get it from the Chinese? 5 for $70 Don Thank

Re: [time-nuts] Is this ocxo salvageable?

2014-04-09 Thread paul swed
Totally agree with the comments here. Lot of heat and I slip an exact o knife in to gently separate the can and base and also to gently lift the base out. Remember solder follows the heat so if you can tip the can apply the heat below and the solder will tend to drip out. The great news is since

[time-nuts] GPS tick compared to WWVB and WWV ?

2014-04-09 Thread paul swed
Hello to the group. Still working the wwvb d-psk-r. A long time ago I did an early experiment looking for the phase flip on wwvb. I used a GPS tick but at the time the wwvb spec was not in its final form and I never looked for the flip 100 ms from the tick. Went 25-50 ms. Kind of call it a gps

Re: [time-nuts] GPS tick compared to WWVB and WWV ?

2014-04-10 Thread paul swed
Thanks everyone lets let the thread die. Regards Paul. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:48 AM, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: But the first question I have do all GPS receivers essentially tick at the same time within the 1 ms range. I assume they do for both navigation and

Re: [time-nuts] ARM boards for low-cost GPSDOs

2014-04-10 Thread paul swed
Hal I sent you a message on the STM arm board and attached the speck sheet. Its 215KB so it may not come through. Just look up the STM discovery kit. Its $21 in the US. Lots of good stuff counters IO and and such Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Hal Murray

Re: [time-nuts] ARM boards for low-cost GPSDOs

2014-04-10 Thread paul swed
Alberto did the job of reposting the information for me. Thank you. Hal take a look its impressive for $21. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Alberto di Bene dib...@usa.net wrote: On 4/10/2014 11:38 PM, Hal Murray wrote: Does anybody have a favorite low-cost ARM board?

Re: [time-nuts] ARM boards for low-cost GPSDOs

2014-04-10 Thread paul swed
What I can say about all of this is the compute power on small boards for little money power and heat is simply crazy. I have the launchpads also and now there is a new one complete with Ethernet for $21. Then we have all sorts of tool chains for free. Pretty exciting times. So Hal lots of good

Re: [time-nuts] ARM boards for low-cost GPSDOs

2014-04-10 Thread paul swed
Chris Thats what I am saying the compute power is amazing even with arduinos. I find it crazy to trip over limitations when this technology is available. So yes I hope to use the STM board to solve the WWVB BPSK issue. At $21 its a so what for me $ wise at least. I purchased 3 just because they do

Re: [time-nuts] ARM boards for low-cost GPSDOs

2014-04-10 Thread paul swed
My nice one was $9 and now they are $14. price gouging. ;-) Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote: Some of the STM DIscovery boards are less than $10... search mouser.comfor STM Discovery ___

Re: [time-nuts] NIST Radio Station WWV now on 25 MHz

2014-04-10 Thread paul swed
Wow its been a long long time. I'll have to fire up a receiver and listen tomorrow Thanks Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Gordon Batey gpba...@wildblue.net wrote: For what it is worth a friend sent me this link. WWV is now testing on 25 MHZ.

Re: [time-nuts] ARM boards for low-cost GPSDOs

2014-04-11 Thread paul swed
David we may be drifting from Hals thread. So don't want to do that. I looked at the system and its governed by the xtal they use. Granted its cheap and totally in an uncontrolled environment. Mine typically is +.79 ppm at 1 Mhz. Semi consistent. Its really easy to bypass that xtal and to inject

Re: [time-nuts] NIST Radio Station WWV now on 25 MHz

2014-04-11 Thread paul swed
Fired up the R1051 on 25 Mhz and its great to hear wwv back on the air in Boston. Pretty good signal. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 10:12 AM, David McGaw n1...@dartmouth.edu wrote: Yea! I remember when they shut it down at the nadir of the sunspot cycle, saying no one was using

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency of LC Tank.

2014-04-11 Thread paul swed
I would have done exactly what Hal said. I do this all the time when trying to figure out the LC tanks operating frequency. An example keeping this time nuts friendly, the d-psk-r circuits at 60 Khz. I am lucky in that I can add or subtract C on the stuff I work on. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri,

Re: [time-nuts] NIST Radio Station WWV now on 25 MHz

2014-04-12 Thread paul swed
. David N1HAC On 4/11/14 8:37 PM, paul swed wrote: Chuck The an/urr R1051 does not have a signal meter. It has level meters for audio. Those navy radios. I guess they figured the radio guys could not figure out signal strength. Come to think of it as I recall they could not figure out

Re: [time-nuts] ARM boards for low-cost GPSDOs

2014-04-12 Thread paul swed
Bob 100% totally agree and I am seeing the same thing happening. It has to do with the lower power consumption. When you see Intel scrambling again to take some share thats the biggest clue there is that a shift is on the way. But enough of that I said my piece far earlier in the chain. We sure

Re: [time-nuts] First success with very simple, very low cost GPSDO, under $8

2014-04-21 Thread paul swed
Good afternoon very interested in the work you are doing with the STM board. As I mentioned far earlier in this thread I am attempting to use it to correct the BPSK WWVB signal here. Initial thoughts were using FORTH to program the STM board. Very curious what you are using as examples. My

Re: [time-nuts] First success with very simple, very low cost GPSDO, under $8

2014-04-21 Thread paul swed
Perhaps this thread should go off line not to distract from the originators thread. Regards Paul. On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 4:29 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Good afternoon very interested in the work you are doing with the STM board. As I mentioned far earlier in this thread I am

Re: [time-nuts] BPSK Processing (was First success with very simple, very low cost GPSDO, under $8)

2014-04-21 Thread paul swed
is the first step. Post code examples and ask for advice. On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:29 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Good afternoon very interested in the work you are doing with the STM board. As I mentioned far earlier in this thread I am attempting to use it to correct

[time-nuts] D-PSK-R wwvb thread

2014-04-24 Thread paul swed
Back from travel. I hijacked another thread and that is bad behavior. Sorry. So here is the thread all by itself. Background To remove the new wwvb bpsk so that old phase tracking receivers can work. As a by-product of that effort you do obtain the new format data from wwvb. Already released are

Re: [time-nuts] Rb vs.Crystal OCXO

2014-04-25 Thread paul swed
Welcome to time-nuts. I have to agree with Tom for an out of the box experience. However as so many time-nuts experiment with GPS control of these oscillators you really can get great stability with both today and I believe even better in the future. I like the low power of the xtal oscillator.

Re: [time-nuts] SatStat on Windows 7

2014-04-26 Thread paul swed
winxp On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Tommy phone thol...@woh.rr.com wrote: Old W98 or W2k machines work for me. From Tom Holmes On Apr 26, 2014, at 1:29 PM, Larry McDavid lmcda...@lmceng.com wrote: I just tried to run SatStat for the HP Z3801A on my new Windows 7 64-bit computer

Re: [time-nuts] Datum 4065A Cs Tube Response

2014-05-05 Thread paul swed
I will agree with Joe. I have a CS tube thats darn near impossible to read the beam current and yet it still locks. That truly amazes me. I seem to recall other comments ages ago about that chip failing. There should be a way to emulate it these days with all of the DDS chips and such that are

Re: [time-nuts] STEL 1173 datasheet

2014-05-06 Thread paul swed
Greg Thanks for the pointer I don't have the problem but was curious about the chip. I can now see that a conversion between the dip and PLCC would be do-able but as mentioned earlier nasty. I have done such crazy things to recover test equipment. Regards Paul. WB8TSL On Tue, May 6, 2014 at

Re: [time-nuts] STEL 1173 datasheet

2014-05-07 Thread paul swed
yes normally plcc to dip but not the other way around. (cause who would ever need that) That said the plcc and dip pin out is not a straight 1 for 1 and that makes things a bit messy. That would not stop me from doing it though. That is making a frankenstein adapter. Regards Paul On Wed, May 7,

Re: [time-nuts] STEL 1173 datasheet

2014-05-07 Thread paul swed
Wow at $155 or $125 + $65 for a stel replacement chip. Like the concept they have of allowing you to rewire the pins and frankly it would appear the $125 is a cleaner fit if it can be offset in the CS ref. But hey its not my project so will watch from the side lines. Paul WB8TSL On Wed, May

Re: [time-nuts] 2014 Million £ Longitude Prize

2014-05-20 Thread paul swed
Boy this is really off target I guess. But the first option on Dementia is actually pretty interesting. As I say way off topic. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Andy ai.egrps...@gmail.com wrote: Brooke Clarke wrote: A million pounds is about 16.8 million dollars. That

Re: [time-nuts] 2014 Million £ Longitude Prize

2014-05-21 Thread paul swed
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Dr. David Kirkby drkir...@gmail.comwrote: On 20 May 2014 21:19, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Boy this is really off target I guess. To get it back on topic, if one of the options was going to be time related, what would it be? Dave

Re: [time-nuts] Weather/units question for European members

2014-05-23 Thread paul swed
Mark I think wind speed is also in Bueforts. Pretty sure thats misspelled. Regards On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote: I am building a weather sensor that includes a ultrasonic anemometer to measure wind speed, direction, and air temperature. It uses 4 cheap

Re: [time-nuts] ESE ES-180 WWV Receiver Schematic...

2014-05-29 Thread paul swed
Now thats the tidbit of the day. I remember their clocks and as I recall timecode readers I think. I only knew them as ESE in the television business. Regards Paul. On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Burt I. Weiner b...@att.net wrote: Bob, Have you tried to contact ESE for the information.

Re: [time-nuts] New NIST Time Code to Boost Reception for Radio-Controlled Clocks

2014-05-31 Thread paul swed
I had reached out several times to the new wwvb chip maker for this timecode. And though first run chips were available they are not to us unless we want 1000 of them. Also pricing is unclear. That said yes the intent is to receive time. The new chip doesn't easily allow a way to d-psk the signal.

Re: [time-nuts] New NIST Time Code to Boost Reception for Radio-Controlled Clocks

2014-06-01 Thread paul swed
a receiver works for a time signal with very similar modulation http://caxapa.ru/thumbs/417284/Engeler_DCF77.pdf 73 KJ6UHN On 5/31/2014 2:23 PM, paul swed wrote: I had reached out several times to the new wwvb chip maker for this timecode. And though first run chips were available

Re: [time-nuts] VNA design

2014-06-03 Thread paul swed
Boy this is not time-nuts and I had been deleting the thread. No problem with the thread. Just I have HP VNAs. Yes including what caught my eye the 8410 that Scott spoke of and its still operational. Heavy as heck like real equipment should be. I am curious I sort of thought the 8410 was pre micro

Re: [time-nuts] VNA design

2014-06-03 Thread paul swed
My bad the 8757 is only a scalar not a vna like the 8410 and 8505. Thought I went astray and had to go look after you mentioned the options. Regards Paul. WB8TSL On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Dr. David Kirkby drkir...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 June 2014 19:22, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [time-nuts] VNA design

2014-06-04 Thread paul swed
controller to do the test set switching They called this rig the 'Automatic Network Analyzer' Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:22 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Boy this is not time-nuts and I had been deleting the thread. No problem with the thread. Just I have HP VNAs. Yes

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB paper in May 2014 IEEE communications...

2014-06-04 Thread paul swed
I guess several comments here. I checked the xtendwave web site and its alive. But noticed no press releases or anything since last year. So sent an email just to see if it bounces back. Yes indeed since the great new formats sort of useless. Wonder if NIST could simply turn it off the PSK and go

[time-nuts] Xtendwave is now everset

2014-06-04 Thread paul swed
To time-nuts yes they live on. Yes we are. The company name and address have changed. See below. Thanks. Pete. Pete Nelsen Applications Engineer EverSet Technologies, Inc. 1201 Richardson Dr. Suite 205 Richardson, TX 75080-4418 Regards Paul WB8TSL

[time-nuts] Dave that lent me the Truetime DC60. Can you please reply? Thanks

2014-06-08 Thread paul swed
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Re: [time-nuts] Virgin time nutter fell at the first M12+ hurdle

2014-06-11 Thread paul swed
Chris is correct many GPS receivers do not output anything till queried. Further it seems the TX and RX data may need to be swapped. That has bagged me a few times because it depends on the perspective. Easier to just try swapping them. The max series does indeed perform the the logic translation

Re: [time-nuts] HP E3610A Power supply

2014-06-18 Thread paul swed
Bert just finding out that google mail is treating your emails as spam! Not sure if the message appears but as you can see it questions who you are. I found numbers of missing emails a few minutes ago. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 7:59 AM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: This may be off

Re: [time-nuts] FE5680 GPS Disciplined Controller

2014-06-18 Thread paul swed
Bert Gmail has been sending lots of emails to spam. Because it appears like something else. So if I appear unresponsive I now know why. Crazy! Regards Paul WB8TSL On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Ernie Peres erniepe...@aol.com wrote: Hi, I am interested a complete KIT ready made and

Re: [time-nuts] HP E3610A Power supply

2014-06-20 Thread paul swed
by inbox. /tvb - Original Message - From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP E3610A Power supply Bert just finding out that google mail

Re: [time-nuts] Lamp for FRK Rubidium Needed

2014-06-20 Thread paul swed
Chuck is correct I have done this trick on FRS units. The glass clears and the lamp re-ignites and continues to work for a long time. Actually it hasn't failed and this must be 2 years now. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: Just in case

Re: [time-nuts] Lamp for FRK Rubidium Needed

2014-06-20 Thread paul swed
given here. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Peter pe...@g0rsq.co.uk wrote: paul swed paulswedb@... writes: Chuck is correct I have done this trick on FRS units. The glass clears and the lamp re-ignites and continues to work for a long time. Actually it hasn't

Re: [time-nuts] Sad news Ulrich Bangert

2014-06-20 Thread paul swed
Hartmut, I did not know this and thank you for sharing. I have read many of his articles and posts, he had a global reach. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Hartmut Paesler timen...@paesler.de wrote: Dear group, unfortunately I have to deliver the sad news that Ulrich

Re: [time-nuts] Loran, GPS, Lightning, Timing

2014-06-24 Thread paul swed
Oh man does this bring back memories of 12au7s and loop antennas pre internet 1970 as I recall. A QST magazine article. I built it and it used a crt for readout. There wasn't really a way back then to share the data. But will say this is quite a nice setup. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Tue, Jun 24,

Re: [time-nuts] microcontroller based IRIG generator

2014-06-25 Thread paul swed
I went about obtaining a solution in a round about way in building a GOES satellite simulator that drives a truetime DC468 rcvr. It has IRIG B outputs. I do like the displays on the truetime rcvrs. Just pulled the unit out as I believe the gps rcvr may have an issue as noted on other threads. If

Re: [time-nuts] Loran, GPS, Lightning, Timing

2014-06-25 Thread paul swed
I have been watching the blitzortung system in the US for a few days now and really like the clean and simple display. Very nicely done. Also downloaded the information package. Oddly it does not use any 12AU7s in the design. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 2:24 AM, nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Loran, GPS, Lightning, Timing

2014-06-25 Thread paul swed
I am currently using a 12AX7 as a ELF preamp and have for years. A note in the coldest part of winter preheat the tube low filament voltage. They tend to fracture. It sits 200 ft from the house as far away in the woods as possible. That said and back to the thread. At these frequencies tubes do

Re: [time-nuts] Loran, GPS, Lightning, Timing

2014-06-27 Thread paul swed
I have never seen an article using exotic special tubes. I understand that benefit but common tubes do a fine job. I still believe it was a QST article. Maybe 73 magazine. It was a long time ago. When I started using the 12AU7s again for the vlf pre-amp they were $1 or so 7 years ago. Now

Re: [time-nuts] Loran, GPS, Lightning, Timing

2014-06-27 Thread paul swed
It was QST and Max is right. I built it. There was a e-field antenna for amplitude and the crossed antennas the XY access. I guess the old brain has somethings correct. Now can I remember the tube line up. Heavens no. :-) The CRT was a little mil surplus 3p... But enough of that. Whats the chance

Re: [time-nuts] Loran, GPS, Lightning, Timing

2014-06-28 Thread paul swed
QST lightning radar. But what a mess you get with google and every lightning and radar TV station in the US. Oh well if your replacing TVs every few years whats a few more opamps? Now how does a poor man build something for what started this whole thread? Time for me to hop off this thread.

Re: [time-nuts] Dephasing WWVB

2014-06-29 Thread paul swed
John welcome to time nuts. This won't be a super long post have other things to do. Search for d-psk-r and you can see a few of my exploits. Summation. It ain't easy. It appears to be really easy unless you are far away like the east coast. Then the propagation gods enter into the picture along

[time-nuts] WWVB update on the remodulator released last year. Its racked and stacked

2014-06-29 Thread paul swed
Hello to the group. Been a while. Wanted to update the group on the WWVB remodulator that allows receivers like the spectracom 8170, Netclock 2 and Truetime DC60 to work with the new BPSK signal and display accurate time. The plan had been to leverage the accurate d-psk-r 60 Khz clock for the

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB update on the remodulator released last year. Its racked and stacked

2014-06-29 Thread paul swed
everyone in a day or so. Google mails kind of a pain in that respect. Regards Paul. On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 11:04 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Hello to the group. Been a while. Wanted to update the group on the WWVB remodulator that allows receivers like the spectracom 8170, Netclock 2

Re: [time-nuts] Dephasing WWVB

2014-06-29 Thread paul swed
KHz. John -Original Message- From: paul swed Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 9:34 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Dephasing WWVB John welcome to time nuts. This won't be a super long post have other things to do. Search for d-psk-r

Re: [time-nuts] Dephasing WWVB

2014-06-30 Thread paul swed
Many of the old receivers use them spectracoms come to mind. They are big units and +- 40 Hz BW and I am totally unaware that they can be found today. That also goes for nice transformers and inductors to build higher Q circuits. I built a opamp chain and it worked well but those crazy amps do

Re: [time-nuts] Dephasing WWVB

2014-06-30 Thread paul swed
most of the hardware was available. Thanks for all the comments on this. At least I understand the problem now, and why the solution will take some work. John -Original Message- From: paul swed Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 9:49 AM To: Martin VE3OAT ; Discussion of precise time

Re: [time-nuts] Sad news Ulrich Bangert

2014-06-30 Thread paul swed
Hartmut that is indeed a friend that can keep a persons knowledge going and had been entrusted with the details. Good luck to you and thank you. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Hartmut Paesler timen...@paesler.de wrote: Dear group, please let me express my thanks for

[time-nuts] Xtendwave Everset chips update

2014-07-02 Thread paul swed
Emailed Pete at Everset about the ES100 and 200 chips and unfortunately only chip dies are available. I am good but not that good. He suggests that someday a vendor will be selling a clock and thats the only reasonable option that will be available. All in all completely unattractive, as someone

Re: [time-nuts] Xtendwave Everset chips update

2014-07-02 Thread paul swed
and they have to try them out somehow. The MPW run costs them $5K so they don’t spend a lot on the packaging. Bob On Jul 2, 2014, at 12:49 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Emailed Pete at Everset about the ES100 and 200 chips and unfortunately only chip dies are available. I am good

Re: [time-nuts] Interesting frequency standard project

2014-07-04 Thread paul swed
An interesting article much like one Bert sent me circa 1989 quite recently. The key to these systems is that the transmitters have very good references. In the US at least we have no requirement for that level of stability on the MW broadcasts. Though evidently some stations are quite good. I

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