[time-nuts] Austron 2000C, anyone?

2015-07-29 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2

Anyone has an Austron 2000C for sale? Need one for an experiment.
Please offlist to ik1odo@gmail-com

73 - Marco IK1ODO

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Re: [time-nuts] New GPSDO on EBAY From China

2014-12-29 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
The OCXO is a Morion (Russia) MV89A. You may download a datasheet 
from http://www.morion.com.ru/catalog_pdf/MV89-OCXO.pdf

Looks decent, stability vs. temperature and aging are as usual.

BG7TBL is a Chinese radioamateur, quite known for his designs.

73 - Marco IK1ODO

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Re: [time-nuts] Italian Time Station on 10 MHz ?

2013-04-28 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2


For what I know they have an experimental license by the Telecom 
authority, and operate from Tuscany near Viareggio since two or three 
years. The license has been given on the basis that there are no more 
HF time and frequency signals operating in Europe.
When I knew about it I offered to donate a rubidium standard, to have 
it at least on the right frequency.
I had no answers... they continue to radiate a worthless 
off-frequency signal (IMHO). May be it is a case of beaconitis :-) 
(a disease that mandates to activate beacons).
On a similar base, I know of an attempt to restore and put in 
operation the old transmitter of IBF (5 MHz, Istituto Nazionale di 
Elettrotecnica, now INRIM, the national standard keepers). That was 
a custom built 5 kW (carrier) Continental broadcasting TX. It has 
been found in the underground storage of INRIM, stripped of power and 
modulation transformers, and should be rebuilt to operate at only 1 
kW carrier on the original 5 MHz frequency (Rb or GPS controlled!). 
The plans are to operate it from the original place on the hills near 
Torino, by remote control, as a museum and educative item. I offered 
my workshop to work on it, I hope that the project may go on to again 
hear IBF, IBF, IBF, standard time and frequency signals from the 
National Electrotechnical Institute, Turin, Italy from minutes 45 to 
60 on 5 MHz ;-)


Marco IK1ODO / AI4YF


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Re: [time-nuts] OT: eBay Contact Congress

2013-04-22 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2

At 18:14 22-04-13, you wrote:

I did trace the headers back via SpamCop before posting. The originating
ISP looked sort of eBayish, sort of not eBayish...  inconclusive...  hence
the question.

-John


Ebay emails always start with your nickname. True ebay administrative 
(billing) emails ALWAYS bear your complete name and surname. If it is 
not clearly addressed to you (in the email text, I mean) it is a 
physhing attempt.


Marco IK1ODO

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Re: [time-nuts] OT - DC-10 gyros

2013-03-28 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
A good solution to generate 400 Hz (for European amateurs at least) 
may be this: http://www.helmut-singer.de/stock/1814769336.html

Plus three amplifier stages, of course.

I am interested in gyros too. Have a sealed Whittaker displacement 
gyro (marked as Western Electric GS-19719) and a Western Electric 
GA-10119 amount gyro (already opened but intact). Who has the 
connections for those?


Marco IK1ODO

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[time-nuts] Racal 9420 OCXO schematic?

2013-02-05 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2

The subject says it all: anyone has the schematic of the Racal 9420 OCXO?
A friend has one that stopped oscillating, and want to give it a try.

73 - Marco IK1ODO

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Re: [time-nuts] OT: Question on dead HP34401

2012-12-11 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2


At 21:40 11/12/2012, you wrote:

Two comments the manuals available on agilent
What on earth is a crossguard?


Data exchange between a floating, guarded circuit and a ground referenced one?

Marco IK1ODO



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[time-nuts] Oscillator coupling

2012-10-05 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2

Very nice experiment on oscillator coupling:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2012/10/01/you-are-getting-sleeepy/

Quite time-nuts style, I would say.

Marco IK1ODO


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Re: [time-nuts] An interesting freq counter

2012-05-01 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2

At 02:46 01-05-12, you wrote:
that is awesome!  with  Transistorized Binary Unit and up to 1.1 
megacycles.  wow!


Hand made, one by one, on Veroboard... sigh...

Marco IK1ODO


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Re: [time-nuts] Neutrinos not so fast? (defectove connector)

2012-02-22 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2

At 01:35 23-02-12, you wrote:
I read that the news came from sources familiar with the 
experiment. Is there

any official press release? Or only rumors?

Antonio I8IOV


Antonio, vedi Battiston su Le Scienze 
http://www.lescienze.it/news/2012/02/22/news/neutrini_pi_veloci_della_luce_era_un_problema_strumentale-868358/ 
e 
http://battiston-lescienze.blogautore.espresso.repubblica.it/2012/02/22/riecco-i-neutrini-probabilmente-piu-lenti/
Dovrebbero dire qualcosa di ufficiale oggi. Comunque l'errore di 
trigger dovuto allo slope del segnale purtroppo mi sembra credibile.


Marco IK1ODO


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Re: [time-nuts] Neutrinos not so fast? (defectove connector)

2012-02-22 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2

sorry for previous message in Italian, had to be a personal one :-)

Marco IK1ODO


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Re: [time-nuts] How best to exchange Large files?

2012-02-20 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2

At 04:07 21-02-12, you wrote:

Recording high speed and/or long general purpose raw Osc data, the 
file can become very large.
I'm looking for a simple, fast and easy (and cheap) way to transfer 
large compressed data files of up to say a 100 MB between time-nuts.
I know there are all kinds places one can store large files that 
others can then have access to,  so I do not want to use the OLD 
way of breaking it up into many small pieces.
I do not need to do this very often, so I do not want to sign up for 
any long term thing or maintain a Friends or face book type thing,
I'm just looking for an easy, temporary way (say lasting up to a 
week each) to transfer a few big files that are too large to email.

Suggestions anyone?

Thanks
ws


Use a dropbox. Easy to use, and free. I just sent a 2.3 GB data file 
to a friend. Took half a day to upload, of course.


Marco IK1ODO


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Re: [time-nuts] Literature on low noise and HF electronics

2012-02-11 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
Another suggestion if you are interested in analogic design is Sergio 
Franco, Design with Operational Amplifiers and Analog Integrated 
Circuits, McGraw Hill, 1988 (and other newer editions).
Common on ebay and amazon. Chapter 14 (noise in operational 
amplifiers) has been very useful to me.


Marco IK1ODO


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Re: [time-nuts] New Rubidium Frequency Standard Group

2012-02-02 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
No new groups please, the Rb thread is interesting for time-nuts, and 
I don't see the need.


73 - Marco IK1ODO


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Re: [time-nuts] Ebay FE-5680A Rb: Are they that good?

2011-12-09 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2

Javier,

the plots are nice, and I did the same years ago for an Efratom 
FRS-C. Found about the same data. The only point is that with the 
spectrum analyzer you see the S/A pahse noise, not the Rb, wich has 
to be orders of magnitude lower.
About the comments on the waveform and harmonics contents: who cares 
about having the 2nd harmonic at -30 or -50 dB? For any practical use 
one has to square the signal, and the original harmonic content is of 
no pratical interest, or I am missing something ...


73 - Marco IK1ODO / AI4YF


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Re: [time-nuts] Ebay FE-5680A Rb: Are they that good?

2011-12-09 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2

At 14:21 09-12-11, you wrote:

Marco
Think you are correct for most things we do.
However in communications for mixing and such a sine wave is desirable and
a very clean output to minimize things like IMD and other products as we
get the 10 MC to its final frequency. Since you are a ham you may
appreciate that.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL


Hello Paul,

I understand, but don't agree 100% :-) - I mean, doing radio either 
you use the 10 MHz for syncing oscillators in you chain (I do that 
for EME, all is derived from a FRK-HLN), or you use the 10 MHz 
directly to a mixer. The mixer usually is inherently non linear; if 
you look at the current in the diodes of a ring mixer, it is almost 
squared. More it is squared, more abrupt is the diode switching, 
better the mixer dynamic range. And many mixers are sensitive to 
harmonics (see Tayloe mixer) of the input signal or use harmonic 
mixing schemes (see any S/A), only possible if the mixer current is 
highly non-sinusoidal.
So, I agree with Javier about the search for existence of low lever 
spurious signals, but don't understand the need to have a (very) low 
harmonic content. Oh, well, to have too many harmonics is a bad thing 
- one time I had radiation problems from a coax feeding a 10 MHz 
squared signal, with components over 100 MHz - but this is an extreme case.


73 - Marco IK1ODO / AI4YF


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Re: [time-nuts] Ebay FE-5680A Rb: Are they that good?

2011-12-09 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2

At 18:23 09-12-11, Javier wrote:

I think that the low-band preselector (I don't remember the model) 
was more oriented to increase the dynamic range for EMC testing, 
rather than due to a crappy harmonic response of the analyzer. It 
also includes a preamplifier.


Correct. 85685A, a very expensive (then and now) piece. The problem 
there was to limit the impulse bandwidth of the frontend, harmonic 
response was not a concern.
In general, if you want to reliably measure harmonics with a S/A, you 
have to cancel the fundamental, either with a notch or low pass filter.


73 - Marco IK1ODO


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Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-21 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2

At 08:16 21-11-11, you wrote:

I heard on the BBC the other day that a repeat experiment is 
planned, firing neurinos from the US into Canada. The labs were not 
cited, but I expect it would be Fermilab  to Sudbury Ontario. If 
this is the case, then there will still be the problem of not being 
able to run a parallel fibre as the Sudbury detectors are  also deep 
underground. This means that the emitter-detector path length will 
still be a paper length, and if there is a problem with the 
reference frame definition, or time transfer methodology , then the 
results may also be subject to questions raised in the case of 
OPERA.  The distance between these labs and the OPERA experiment are 
of the same order of magnitude so it will be interesting to see what hatches.


Even if you could run a fiber exactly parallel and straight on the 
neutrino path (drilling a vey deep tunnel :-)) then the speed in 
the fiber will be lower than c, due to the refraction index. So, in 
any case a synchronization system is needed, and it is not necessary 
to run a straight fiber.


73 - Marco IK1ODO


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[time-nuts] 10k year clock

2011-11-10 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2

You all there probably already know, but ... very interesting, IMHO.
http://spectrum.ieee.org/geek-life/profiles/engineering-the-10-000year-clock/0

73 - Marco IK1ODO


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Re: [time-nuts] What's dBic on GPS antenna gain figures?

2011-11-03 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2

At 15:13 03-11-11, you wrote:
So its just 'dB' relative to a circular polarised isotropic radiator 
- never knew that before!


Correct. It is the standard way to declare the gain of a circularly 
polarized antenna when receiving or transmitting circularly polarized 
waves, as dBi is valid only for linearly polarized ones.


73 - Marco IK1ODO


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Re: [time-nuts] the care and feeding of LPRO's

2011-10-07 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2

Eric,

the power supply quality is not critical. The LPRO (like most other 
Rb's) has an internal switching power supply, so the wide tolerance 
in the primary power source voltage.
I found other Rb's to be quite sensitive to vibrations, but when they 
are in a box, with a decent PS (I use an universal portable PC PS, 
the variety that may be programmed by means of a resistor in a plug) 
and an heat sink they are happy.


Marco IK1ODO


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Re: [time-nuts] OT: UK - NOTIFICATION OF GPS JAMMING EXERCISES

2011-10-06 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2

At 16:25 06-10-11, you wrote:


So they are deploying LightSquared?   :)


Possibly testing for impact of ... ?
Mala tempora currunt !

73 - Marco IK1ODO


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Re: [time-nuts] GPS Interference Question

2011-09-30 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2

At 15:44 30-09-11, Jason wrote:

To filter out the L2 signal, would an actual GPS receiver have to be 
replaced / modified?


Or would a more simple and cheaper alternative be to get a new 
antenna (with fancy filtering) to replace my existing roof-top

antenna and expect all my old equipment to be happy?


I think that a new antenna/filter/amplifier unit would be ok. But the 
problem is the installed base of receivers, including all those 
costly units used for geodesy or navigation, that have embedded 
antennas. Those will be hard to modify.


73 - Marco IK1ODO



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Re: [time-nuts] Happy 10th birthday, time-nuts

2011-09-27 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2

Tom,

many thanks to you and John for starting and supporting this list. It 
is one of the best I know, with a very good S/N, and a lot of competent people.

Honestly, I have no idea on how to improve it :-) - IMHO it is perfect as is.

Marco IK1ODO



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Re: [time-nuts] Any thoughts on best rubidium?

2011-09-26 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2

At 15:55 26-09-11, you wrote:

Hello,

It is here: http://www.testequipmentplus.com/LCD85662H.html

Regards,

Javier


But, as others pointed out in hp_agilent_equipment group, the 
replacement LCD lacks the resolution of the original vector-graphic CRT.


Marco IK1ODO


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[time-nuts] Best Cs in the world ?

2011-09-06 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
Kurt Gibble, at Penn State, made major contributions to the field of 
primary frequency standards by developing models for the systematic 
effects within caesium fountain clocks, Szymaniec said. The 
uncertainties of those effects, now reduced several fold with the new 
models and numerical calculations provided by Gibble's group, have 
been verified at the National Physical Laboratory and also by the 
fountain clock group in Paris. Together with other improvements of 
the caesium fountain, these models and numerical calculations have 
improved the accuracy of the UK's caesium fountain clock , NPL-CsF2, 
by reducing the uncertainty to 2.3 x 10-16 -- the lowest value for 
any primary national standard so far.


http://www.rfglobalnet.com/article.mvc/Atomic-Clock-With-The-Worlds-Best-Long-Term-0001?sectionCode=NewstemplateCode=SponsorHeaderuser=2164701source=nl:31736

73 - Marco IK1ODO


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Re: [time-nuts] Anyone know what this counter is?

2011-07-15 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
I agree, it is very probably a Systron Donner 6053, 3 GHz, nixie. 
Specs and (bad) pictures scanned from the manual on my server in 
http://www.spinelectronics.eu/ftp/SD6053.pdf
I bet it comes from some remains of John's Radio stock - I remember 
seeing many of them there, 15 years ago.


73 - Marco IK1ODO


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[time-nuts] Dallas NV-SRAM replacement? (in 3458A)

2010-06-08 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
Speaking of the 3458A, it has three DS1235Y-150 non volatile SRAM on 
the CPU board. Each is a 32K x 8 bit, so there is a lot of info inside.
As the useful life of those is in the order of 10 years and most 
3458A a re now 10 to 20 year old, is there a possible replacement? 
Possibly with a more modern component?
Also, of course it would be a good idea to read and save the contents 
of the SRAMs before replacing, but... is any custom data in them that 
cannot be rewritten with a complete recalibration?

Possibly this argument has been discussed before, but I don't remember.

Marco IK1ODO


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Re: [time-nuts] Test - RYRYRY

2010-06-01 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2

At 08:32 01-06-10, you wrote:

was that 45.45 or 50 Baud?

Robert G8RPI.


But it was not Baudot, by sure... :-)

ZHC? ZRO?
VVV DE IK1ODO TESTING ...


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[time-nuts] HP 104AR

2010-04-19 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2

Hi all,

just got a very nice HP 104AR (1963 vintage) for my collection. It 
seems to work, but... anyone has a manual in PDF, ot at least a schematic ?


73 - Marco IK1ODO


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Re: [time-nuts] HP 104AR

2010-04-19 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2

Hello Ulrich,

of course the 103AR would be nice to have. My email should get it, 
but I agree that it would be better to send it to Didier's site.

As you prefer... I'm QRV.

About the messages to Rick four years ago, I found no replies. Does 
Rick still have the manuals? Rare things sitting on a shelf are a pity :-)

The Agilent web site does not know what a 104AR was... :-D

Marco IK1ODO


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Re: [time-nuts] HP 104AR

2010-04-19 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2

At 18:33 19-04-10, you wrote:

The 103AR manual is available for download at the to-way.com Web 
site under test Equipment Manuals--HP


Had
K7MLR


Thanks! Just downloaded.

Marco IK1ODO


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Re: [time-nuts] One of the strangest clocks I have ever heard...

2009-10-26 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2

At 04.49 26/10/2009, you wrote:

One of the strangest clocks I have ever heard...

 http://www.music.columbia.edu/~douglas/portfolio/sineclock/ 

.  ciao
_ Elio.


Oh, well... :-| interesting! :-\

Marco IK1ODO


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[time-nuts] 58540A, anyone ?

2009-08-26 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2

Hi all,

anyone here has an HP 54540A for sale?

Answers to ik1...@spin-it.com

73 - Marco IK1ODO


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[time-nuts] RS XSD-2 - help needed

2009-04-10 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
Hello,

I got a broken RohdeSchwarz XSD-2 crystal oscillator module, type 
283.6010.02 .

By first, has anyone a schematic for it?

Then, the dewar flask originally containing the oscillator mass is broken.
Size was (approx) 65 mm internal diameter, 150 mm internal height.
Who has similar dewars? The volume is close to 0.5 liters, and I have not
found an useful replacement for common thermos flasks of that size.

Any help appreciated!

73 - Marco IK1ODO / AI4YF


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[time-nuts] 10 MHz over optical fiber?

2008-11-24 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
Hi all,

I have to carry a 10 MHz standard frequency signal inside an EMC 
screened room via fiber optic cable.

Not willing to re-invent the wheel, do something like an optical 
standard frequency link exist on the market?
I think it is possible to use standard 100MB LAN transceivers, and 
POF. Phase noise requirements
are not very stringent, and the distance is in the order of some tens 
of meters.

Marco IK1ODO / AI4YF


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Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz over optical fiber?

2008-11-24 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
At 16.41 24/11/2008, you wrote:
Why fibre optic?  You'll only need to convert back to copper when you get it
in there (unless the kit that needs the 10Mhz reference has optical 10MHz
in), and if you do that you may as well just take it in there using high
quality coax (say RG-400U) and a bulkhead connector in the wall of the room.

Dave

Dave,

the customer wants no bulkheads and asks specifically for an optical 
connection.
The signal will be, of course, be converted back to electrical inside the room.

Marco


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Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz over optical fiber?

2008-11-24 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
Thanks to all for the quick answers and all the info. As usual, 
time-nuts is a great resource :-)

Marco IK1ODO


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Re: [time-nuts] Using GPS for space-based instrument

2008-11-11 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
At 09.37 11/11/2008, you wrote:
Both Symmetricom and Frequency Electronics provide specialist space
qualified products. It's not just a case of ruggedisation, but radiation
hardening, g sensitivity which need to be designed in.

Rob Kimberley

Also, space qualified GPS must handle the larger doppler shifts due 
to the relative spacecraft velocity. A standard GPS will not work, 
it is necessary to modify the algorhytms.

Karl, if you know nothing about GPS, possibly it's best to start 
reading a tutorial, like http://www.trimble.com/gps/index.shtml - the 
amount of information to digest before putting a GPS receiver on a 
spacecraft is huge.

Marco


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Re: [time-nuts] Naive question on WWW stations

2008-09-26 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
At 23.55 25/09/2008, you wrote:
Hi Antonio,

Ah yes I presume this is it ...

Many thanks
pf

Yes, it is - WWV in Europe is usually quite weak, RWM is a strong signal.
You will find the schedules and frequencies of all Russian time and 
frequency signals (including RWM and RID, Currently off the air due 
to budget cut ) at http://www.irkutsk.com/radio/tis.htm.

73 - Marco IK1ODO / AI4YF
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Re: [time-nuts] Re Frequency divider design critique request

2008-07-11 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
At 05.10 11/07/2008, Bill wrote:

What have you done with Life using modern computers?

Er... not so modern, but... I wrote a Life program in Z80 assembler 
to exercise the emulator on an HP 64000A development system... it was 
in 1981 :-)

Life was ideated by J.H. Conway in 1970. See 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_Game_of_Life . Fascinating 
(to me) as it was 27 years ago. Sorry for the OT!

73 - Marco IK1ODO / AI4YF


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Re: [time-nuts] WIRED Time Nuts

2007-12-11 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
At 08.20 11/12/2007, you wrote:
Hi John  Rick,

Looks like Quinn's WIRED magazine time-nuts article was just released...

Very nice article. A lot of mad guys out there :-) !

73 - Marco IK1ODO / AI4YF




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Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2000C on EBay

2007-10-03 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
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Don,


What is the frequency source in this unit?

Regards...
Don

None. It could discipline an external oscillator (a 1250A, I presume).

Have two of them on the shelf, anyone in EU interested to play with? 
They were working well on the Russian Chajka chain.

73 - Marco IK1ODO / AI4YF


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Re: [time-nuts] E1938s

2007-08-28 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
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At 04.17 28/08/2007, you wrote:

Just got mine and Marco Bruno's E1938s in today's mail.

Marco: it'll go out tomorrow, unless you'd like to wait until I can run an
ADEV plot on them both.  Let me know.

No hurry, I'm leaving for a couple of weeks, so take your time and 
test it. I'm curious too.

Marco IK1ODO


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Re: [time-nuts] 5 MHz from 10 MHz

2007-07-23 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
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No point using an expensive divider with an 8640B.  The close-in noise is
dominated by the cavity, especially at the bandwidths used by their lock
mechanism, and the broadband floor is ECL at ~-150 dBc/Hz.  Just stick a
74xxx74 in there (what *is* considered to be the lowest-noise modern TTL
family, anyway?)

-- john, KE5FX

I used 74ABT logic (Philips, see Digikey) with good success up to 
over 200MHz clock, driven by SN65LVDS34 as squarer, with good success 
(it is an SDR QSD mixer, and had much less noise than using 
74-shottky series). No jitter data measured, however. I think that 
the same circuit - or even a much simpler one - would be perfect to 
drive an 8640B. A 74AC74 would be just fine at 10 MHz. 
Metrology-grade dividers are another thing, of course.

The schematic of my front-end is at 
http://www.spin-it.com/sdr/ik1odo_sdr1.html - use only what needed, 
of course :-)

73 - Marco IK1ODO - AI4YF


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Re: [time-nuts] Ebay 5071A scam back again?

2007-06-26 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
At 14.06 26/06/2007, Poul wrote:

Never buy anything from a userid that has zero feedback.

... and, in particular, if he registered to ebay just the same day!

73 - Marco IK1ODO / AI4YF


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